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hobbesmaster posted:Yes that could never happen in a well trained western military It'll buff right out
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BIG HEADLINE posted:How I imagine that went down: Coming to a dead stop and pointing the nose down also doesn't seem like the best idea, but then again whirly birds confuse the poo poo out of me with that whole blades acting as a giant wing thing. Would that be an example of "settling with power?"
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bewbies posted:https://www.theguardian.com/science/2016/mar/14/military-invisibility-cloaks-stealth-could-breach-geneva-conventions loving clickbait. It's actually not a horrible article, and corrects the misleading headline halfway through. Hiding is fine. Disguising as a civilian person/vehicle/aircraft is not.
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Doctor Grape Ape posted:Coming to a dead stop and pointing the nose down also doesn't seem like the best idea, but then again whirly birds confuse the poo poo out of me with that whole blades acting as a giant wing thing. Would that be an example of "settling with power?" I think thats just a straight up stall. edit: Wait, no, helicopter physics are weird. hobbesmaster fucked around with this message at 21:29 on Mar 14, 2016 |
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Mar 14, 2016 21:24
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hobbesmaster posted:edit: Wait, no, helicopter physics are weird. Right? One of my neighbors has flown a helicopter for the hospital for about 20 years now and I don't know what he's talking about half the time. We get the occasional fly over from him or one of his buddies. e: oops, I guess Russia lost one too many T-90 http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/14/world/russia-syria-withdrawal/index.html
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Dead Reckoning posted:The technology was fielded during the war, but LGBs were less than a fraction of a percent of munitions dropped and were basically reserved for high value targets, not the sort of thing you send a Bronco to get. There was some dicking around with laser spot trackers for CAS missions as well, but given the immaturity of the technology, I'd still be really curious how often it was used in the war. Despair was saying that the fact that they used laser designators on later blocks of aircraft was justification for calling the mod program a success. I'd disagree, as it's equally possible* that the Marines rushed an immature technology into combat and never really employed it to its full potential, but called it a success anyway. Well, no, we weren't using the Bronco to drop LGB's on Hanoi, but there was in fact a period of the Vietnam War where LGB's were being used regularly. Hundreds of Paveways alone were dropped over the course of the war.
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Forums Terrorist posted:do you guys have bots I built and used a few IRC bots for SIPR and JWICS. They'd do things like list all my UAV's and fast movers I had stacked up in my ROZ, their call signs and plane type as well as on station times. I could setup a ROZ with IRC and a radio and it would work beautifully until it didn't. The until it didn't is when I'd find myself with no GBS feeds showing my preds, no LOS links like Rover or others to see what my manned recon planes were broadcasting.. And SIPR IRC went down because our tenuous connection was just that. Then all I'd have is a radio. Controlling (in the mission control sense not terminal attack) preds via radio is the most goddamn difficult thing on earth, and those loving trailer monkeys never shut the gently caress up. Ever. And controlling manned may be easier over the radio but if I can't see what they're seeing I can't blow it up, and we can't send an assault force after the target, either. Once we became used to constant real time ISR and comms we came to rely on it. And oh god why am I remembering this poo poo. I hate UAV's so loving much. Back to the bots though: There was a medevac status bot at one point in the war, and I know the RAPCON IRC room (RAPCON meaning radar approach and control, I believe) was using a version of my bot to list active ROZ's and poo poo. If any of you are in a SIPR IRC channel and you see a bot idling doing nothing that's possibly my years old bot that I dorkily scripted to say "I am protected" anytime someone says "Do you have stairs in your house?" And yes I've used DCC to get a girl I was getting deployed loving from to show me her lopsided boobies. The GWOT was bizarre. Glad I'm retired.
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Doctor Grape Ape posted:Coming to a dead stop and pointing the nose down also doesn't seem like the best idea, but then again whirly birds confuse the poo poo out of me with that whole blades acting as a giant wing thing. Would that be an example of "settling with power?" But this is not what happened here. The apache has plenty of forward speed and simply ran out of height for the amount of lift/engine power he had available, same as what would have happened to an analogous fixed-wing airplane. This is settling with power: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SG7bL8Ox-VI
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BIG HEADLINE posted:It doesn't surprise me, given that because they can't drink and gently caress in their teens to blow off steam, young middle/upper-class Saudi men do poo poo like this: http://www.greenprophet.com/2010/03/saudi-arabia-death-toll-driving/ A reminder that Apollo astronaut Gene Cernan once flew a helicopter directly into a river because he was hotdogging it for a bunch of women on a boat. PittTheElder fucked around with this message at 22:09 on Mar 14, 2016 |
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Doctor Grape Ape posted:Right? One of my neighbors has flown a helicopter for the hospital for about 20 years now and I don't know what he's talking about half the time. We get the occasional fly over from him or one of his buddies. He was at a high density altitude and an unusual attitude which is why I was thinking retreating blade stall but probably just CFIT.
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Tsuru posted:Settling with power or vortex-ring-state is where the rotor flies through its own downwash when the ship is going straight down above a certain speed. Increasing engine power and rotor pitch have the opposite effect when this occurs, increasing the rate of descent. The recovery for this situation (I think) is slipping sideways and praying you have enough altitude left as the most likely place you will find yourself in VRS is during a landing maneuver. That makes more sense than any other explanation I've seen, thanks. Probably because it didn't have a bunch of weird words and diagrams with twirly arrows (which I kind of understand now). For some reason I was thinking it only occurred at low altitude due to ground effects, but I guess it can happen anywhere? It's just close to the ground where it's most prevalent/dangerous?
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OMFG PTSD LOL PBUH posted:those loving trailer monkeys never shut the gently caress up. Ever. Or they never answer because they don't want to monitor the radio. I kinda want to go whisper a bot now.
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Tsuru posted:Settling with power or vortex-ring-state is where the rotor flies through its own downwash when the ship is going straight down above a certain speed. Increasing engine power and rotor pitch have the opposite effect when this occurs, increasing the rate of descent. The recovery for this situation (I think) is slipping sideways and praying you have enough altitude left as the most likely place you will find yourself in VRS is during a landing maneuver. So that part where he pulls up to a sickening halt and somehow yaws around so that his nose is pointing in the direction of travel again is actually safe? Seems like a fixed wing plane would not behave well if you tried to yaw like that in a stall.
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If I remember correctly the pilot wasn't used to the high altitude - leading him to believe he could pull the manoeuvre off. Of course, I read that so long ago it could well have been from a YT comment instead of an official report 
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PittTheElder posted:A reminder that Apollo astronaut Gene Cernan once flew a helicopter directly into a river because he was hotdogging it for a bunch of women on a boat. Was this before or after Apollo? Because that would be amazing in two entirely different ways. EDIT: It was during. He almost got thrown out of the program but Deke Slayton insisted he stay in. The guy who tried to get him canned quit in protest. Also Jim Lovell blew out his cockpit's electrical system trying to plug in a do-it-yourself flashlight during a night flight, then found his carrier again using the ship's phosphorescent wake and landed without instruments. Vincent Van Goatse fucked around with this message at 23:11 on Mar 14, 2016 |
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Mar 14, 2016 23:06
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Can anyone just write mirc script bots that deal with actual live military assets? 
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Arglebargle III posted:So that part where he pulls up to a sickening halt and somehow yaws around so that his nose is pointing in the direction of travel again is actually safe? Seems like a fixed wing plane would not behave well if you tried to yaw like that in a stall. That's called a hammerhead stall and you'll see a few at every air show.
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The Apache was executing a maneuver known as "Return to Target." A hammerhead stall (straight up, fall back, turn into the fall) at that altitude would've not only been a hull loss, but they'd have just dropped like a rock and died on impact, either by ~sudden deceleration~ or a pretty big fireball. As it stands, both were uninjured, but probably wished they'd died than go through the debrief. EDIT: \/ what he said \/ BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 23:19 on Mar 14, 2016 |
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Mar 14, 2016 23:17
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Arglebargle III posted:So that part where he pulls up to a sickening halt and somehow yaws around so that his nose is pointing in the direction of travel again is actually safe? Seems like a fixed wing plane would not behave well if you tried to yaw like that in a stall. The reason you don't do it in an actual stall with the wings loaded is that most aircraft will flip upside down b/c of the lift differential. For helos it's just a thing they can do pretty much anytime because the wings are always moving and you can load/unload the disc as you please.
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BIG HEADLINE posted:The Apache was executing a maneuver known as "Return to Target." A hammerhead stall (straight up, fall back, turn into the fall) at that altitude would've not only been a hull loss, but they'd have just dropped like a rock and died on impact, either by ~sudden deceleration~ or a pretty big fireball. As it stands, both were uninjured, but probably wished they'd died than go through the debrief. Hurr, yeah its called a wingover if theres no actual stall.
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ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:Was this before or after Apollo? Because that would be amazing in two entirely different ways. EDIT: It was during. He almost got thrown out of the program but Deke Slayton insisted he stay in. The guy who tried to get him canned quit in protest. And the guy who tried to get him shitcanned was Jim McDivittt, Gemini 4 and Apollo 9 commander, and at this point NASA management. Deke Slayton tried to cover it up right off the bat, after Cernan came back he asked him 'at what altitude did your engine fail?' Cernan told him honestly what actually happened, Slayton responded 'at what altitude did your engine fail?'. This was all part of a big fight within the astronaut corps over who would get command of the last flight, broken into Gene Cernan and Dick Gordon camps. Then there was all the drama of switching Joe Engle out for Harrison Schmidt so that an actual geologist could go to the moon. Every part of the Apollo 17 crew decision was insane. PittTheElder fucked around with this message at 23:33 on Mar 14, 2016 |
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VikingSkull posted:I hope we sunk it in retaliation for that South corvette the other year Y'know, I think that was sunk by a PRC sub.
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Vietnam Lighters http://imgur.com/a/yUfm0
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B4Ctom1 posted:Vietnam Lighters This is cool beyond words.
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B4Ctom1 posted:Vietnam Lighters I really want that "Swamp - gently caress It" one. Nice and succinct.
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Faster Blaster posted:
Is there a reason there isn't a wildly-popular civilian version of the Bronco? I believe they've been used by forestry services (or is that not true), and they seem to be tremendously effective airplanes. edit: I mean, drat.  edit edit: oh god boxplanes  
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Boomerjinks posted:edit edit: oh god boxplanes Best registration/plane combo ever.
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Boomerjinks posted:Is there a reason there isn't a wildly-popular civilian version of the Bronco? http://discussions.flightaware.com/post144377.html I think the reason is that they kind of 'oopsied' once before. I'd also imagine getting parts would be a royal pain in the rear end.
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TheFluff posted:I guess this is one way to drop bombs Napalm would be ok. Would not try it with HE though.
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TheFluff posted:I guess this is one way to drop bombs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqIJL8lx00o
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ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:Was this before or after Apollo? Because that would be amazing in two entirely different ways. EDIT: It was during. He almost got thrown out of the program but Deke Slayton insisted he stay in. The guy who tried to get him canned quit in protest. Remember, no matter how secure your job is, it will never compare to “crash helicopter while showing off, go on to command the most powerful and most expensive vehicle man ever built”. Platystemon fucked around with this message at 17:19 on Mar 15, 2016 |
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Blistex posted:Napalm would be ok. Would not try it with HE though. That's what retarding tail kits are for. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General-purpose_bomb#Retarded_versions
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TasogareNoKagi posted:That's what retarding tail kits are for. They make Marines sit on bombs?
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Blistex posted:They make Marines sit on bombs? They make a marine general argue for the need for VTOL bombs.
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wdarkk posted:They make a marine general argue for the need for VTOL bombs. Isn't that just a cruise missile?
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wdarkk posted:They make a marine general argue for the need for VTOL bombs. Wikipedia says 111 are still in service.
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Davin Valkri posted:Isn't that just a cruise missile? hobbesmaster posted:Wikipedia says 111 are still in service. Dead Reckoning fucked around with this message at 19:06 on Mar 15, 2016 |
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