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Kanfy posted:To be fair it's only a Japanese word in the same sense that "Farplane" is an English word, it's just a made-up term made by sticking two separate words together. I don't think it's used anywhere outside of FFVII. Yeah, that's true. It's just a made-up word used for that specific purpose
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Outside of the story and whatever opinion you may have regarding its fantasy words FF13 has a bunch of actual game issues. Notably certain characters are gimped for plot reasons for an extra dungeon (fang, hope) and some even longer (vanille). On top of that summons, outside of a single specific encounter, are basically completely useless and with the need to libra enemies constantly makes the tp system basically pointless. Further the upgrade system is like everything wrong with an upgrade system from being unneeded in the base game, extremely grindy, and withholding critical information at every point in the process and what information it does give you is split across multiple menus. To top it off, combat has a completely pointless cutscene every time you do the thing you will do in almost literally every single battle for the first time and makes it so you need to baby your leaders hp in a game where speed is key. Did I mention as well that not all characters are created equal in stats and despite having 6 jobs and 6 characters not every character is best at one non overlapping job. not that it ultimately matters since again, like item upgrades, you don't need to know or care at any point in the main game.
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Mar 15, 2016 18:10
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A name so dumb Squall couldn't even keep a straight face while being tortured when asked why it was such a dumb name.
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Mar 15, 2016 18:12
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The paradigm swapping scene is like 1 second long
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Mar 15, 2016 18:13
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I pronounced it C-D for the longest time
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Mar 15, 2016 18:13
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FFVIII has some of the best music in the series, no way around that. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3v6BtJaBQmo I'm reminded that Final Symphony II is happening here two weeks from now and I'm pretty excited since the last one was real good. I don't care too much about XIII's music for the most part but V, VIII and IX should all be pretty great.
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Barudak posted:Outside of the story and whatever opinion you may have regarding its fantasy words FF13 has a bunch of actual game issues. Notably certain characters are gimped for plot reasons for an extra dungeon (fang, hope) and some even longer (vanille). On top of that summons, outside of a single specific encounter, are basically completely useless and with the need to libra enemies constantly makes the tp system basically pointless. Further the upgrade system is like everything wrong with an upgrade system from being unneeded in the base game, extremely grindy, and withholding critical information at every point in the process and what information it does give you is split across multiple menus. To top it off, combat has a completely pointless cutscene every time you do the thing you will do in almost literally every single battle for the first time and makes it so you need to baby your leaders hp in a game where speed is key. Did I mention as well that not all characters are created equal in stats and despite having 6 jobs and 6 characters not every character is best at one non overlapping job. not that it ultimately matters since again, like item upgrades, you don't need to know or care at any point in the main game. Yeah it feels like at some point they wanted each character to specialise in a role but then when they tried it out they realised a full-time medic or synergist would be lame.  on everything else tooSakurazuka posted:I pronounced it C-D for the longest time I still do, why wouldn't you!
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I don't think I casted libra once after the TP tutorial because it just fills everything in by trial and error. It can boost your DPS 5 seconds earlier on a unique boss. But you even remember everything when returning to time trial mission stones so it doesn't even matter on fights where you might be interested in squeezing every last bit of damage out.
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Mar 15, 2016 18:18
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FF8 music https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWteCPxUsd8
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Tempo 119 posted:Yeah it feels like at some point they wanted each character to specialise in a role but then when they tried it out they realised a full-time medic or synergist would be lame. It's exacerbated by weapons not being identical so some characters get shovel ware weapons that make no sense like hope getting a weapon with paper tiger on it. It's also annoying because if they had gone all out on making each character specialized the hunts could have been a lot more varied and interesting instead of just a cliff wall of tedious hp and damage and you may have had a reason to actually swap your party around based on the challenges you're facing.
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zedprime posted:I don't think I casted libra once after the TP tutorial because it just fills everything in by trial and error. It can boost your DPS 5 seconds earlier on a unique boss. But you even remember everything when returning to time trial mission stones so it doesn't even matter on fights where you might be interested in squeezing every last bit of damage out. It'll effect what your ai partners do. Even if you know to fire, they won't. But yeah it's kinda meaningless.
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Your AI partners are still smart enough to figure out what to use and what not to use if you don't Libra. They'll hit an enemy with an absorb once and then never do it again. It's actually pretty neat.
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Sprite141 posted:It'll effect what your ai partners do. Even if you know to fire, they won't. But yeah it's kinda meaningless. You absolutely want it for bosses. Casting it on mobs just speeds up the process of killing them which yeah, I guess if you don't mind the ai flailing around isn't strictly needed but when anything else you can spend your TP on is basically useless why not go faster?
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It's useful for difficult fights where having your synergist or saboteur not waste time on useless actions could make the difference between wiping or not.
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Tempo 119 posted:Yeah it feels like at some point they wanted each character to specialise in a role but then when they tried it out they realised a full-time medic or synergist would be lame. I think a full time synergist could be cool. Full time medic is a thing that might work out if it was a more fleshed out job, but in general yeah it's always just a 1 note job.
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Sakurazuka posted:FF8 was a bad game and I hate it It actually never stopped being the best, hth. 
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This thread is now for posting loving awesome Chocobo's Dungeon remixes, everyone please gently caress off with any other lame rear end bullshit. Thank you. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgpK0t8s1xI
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Balamb has some good music, Breezy is my favorite town theme.
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The sense I'm getting from the last couple pages is that FF13 is a bad game on every level possible. Like here's a few people including myself going "the way they use language is stupid" and then there's a bunch of people going "NO NO NO THAT'S NOT RIGHT. It's ACTUALLY awful because the story, pacing, and characters are complete poo poo." Like at this point, it sounds like an argument about whether it's the consistency or smell of literal poo poo that is so bad. God it even has terrible music. gently caress that game. gently caress it forever, it is the worst Final Fantasy (yeah, worse than 8 and 3DS) and I am just glad FF14 and FF15 exist so that it is not the last idiot note to end the series on. bloodychill fucked around with this message at 19:10 on Mar 15, 2016 |
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Mar 15, 2016 19:06
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This thread was getting really up beat for a while so its good to be reminded that Final Fantasy is bad.
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Sakurazuka posted:FF8 was a bad game and I hate it This. When people were saying poo poo like "how can FFXIII be the worst when FFII exists" all I could think of was VIII because I prefer both FFII and FFXIII to that piece of poo poo. FFVIII is badly designed from every conceivable angle. It does have good music but that is pretty much the default fallback position when you need to say something good about an FF game. Even the much maligned FF2 had some awesome tracks, like possibly the best normal battle theme in the series. Every time I hear that song I get so pumped.
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bloodychill posted:The sense I'm getting from the last couple pages is that FF13 is a bad game on every level possible. Like here's a few people including myself going "the way they use language is stupid" and then there's a bunch of people going "NO NO NO THAT'S NOT RIGHT. It's ACTUALLY awful because the story, pacing, and characters are complete poo poo." Like at this point, it sounds like an argument about whether it's the consistency or smell of literal poo poo that is so bad. God it even has terrible music. I had a lot of fun with it E: I also liked VIII a lot I think I'm the only person in the thread that enjoys Final Fantasy
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That's a lie when the FFVII normal battle theme exists. Like, holy poo poo that theme and the victory theme are the best they've ever been.
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I thought 13 had good music. I just started 13-2 and it has even better music. Does this make me a bad person? Am I actually wrong and I just haven't realized it yet? Also I think 8 was my favorite game in the series. I can only think of 2 tracks in all of Final Fantasy that I'd say are bad. this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uij5XknXl3A and this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXCHhv63Efs In general I would say that Final Fantasy is good and fun and has good music.
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Help Im Alive posted:I had a lot of fun with it Well, on a positive note, I really like 4,5,6,7,9,10, and 12 and I had a fun time playing 11 and 14 with goons.
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Help Im Alive posted:I had a lot of fun with it As do I
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bloodychill posted:The sense I'm getting from the last couple pages is that FF13 is a bad game on every level possible. Like here's a few people including myself going "the way they use language is stupid" and then there's a bunch of people going "NO NO NO THAT'S NOT RIGHT. It's ACTUALLY awful because the story, pacing, and characters are complete poo poo." Like at this point, it sounds like an argument about whether it's the consistency or smell of literal poo poo that is so bad. God it even has terrible music. No, it is just that people were actually trying to discuss flaws instead of Stupid Fantasy Names so the flaws came up. FFXIII has a good combat system. It is flawed but even with those flaws it is still head and shoulders above the combat systems in any Final Fantasy not named 5. I really enjoyed the soundtrack and while the ideas are poorly executed they at least have interesting ideas instead of ideas that are both convoluted and bland like Final Fantasy 8. I would gladly replay it over half the Final Fantasy games even if I would skip the cutscenes do so. (Which I would do even for the Final Fantasy games I really like in some cases.) It is neither my favorite nor my least favorite Final Fantasy game but the fact that it has a fun combat system that actually excels at low-level gaming means I'm more likely to have fun with it than, say, FF8 where a low-level game is easier than playing the game normally. Fortunately you kind of proved my earlier post about how people are not actually making arguments, they just dislike FFXIII and want everything about it to be The Worst Thing Ever. ImpAtom fucked around with this message at 19:25 on Mar 15, 2016 |
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Bamford Brownstone posted:I thought 13 had good music. I just started 13-2 and it has even better music. Does this make me a bad person? Am I actually wrong and I just haven't realized it yet? Also I think 8 was my favorite game in the series. You missed one. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4C09vVvw2Fc But yes, XIII-2's music is even better than XIII's. NikkolasKing fucked around with this message at 19:28 on Mar 15, 2016 |
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Gologle posted:That's a lie when the FFVII normal battle theme exists. Like, holy poo poo that theme and the victory theme are the best they've ever been. No. FFIV holds the distinction of having not only the best battle theme from a Final Fantasy game, but also the second best battle theme from a Final Fantasy game.
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I like FFIV's battle theme a lot, but I think out of main FF battle themes FFII and FFVII are pretty stellar and some of the best.
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bloodychill posted:The sense I'm getting from the last couple pages is that FF13 is a bad game on every level possible. Like here's a few people including myself going "the way they use language is stupid" and then there's a bunch of people going "NO NO NO THAT'S NOT RIGHT. It's ACTUALLY awful because the story, pacing, and characters are complete poo poo." Like at this point, it sounds like an argument about whether it's the consistency or smell of literal poo poo that is so bad. God it even has terrible music. why don't you..bloody chill
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did i use bloody right im not from england or scotland or whatever they call themselves now
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It's fine, Ltrope. People will get your joke.
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Baal posted:It's fine, Ltrope. People will get your joke. i'm very self-conscious baal i dont want to offend the irish
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Like seriously, Final Fantasy 6 is my favorite Final Fantasy but I can go on a goddamn rampage about its many tremendous fuckups. It is, on paper, a garbage fire held together by great presentation and strong moments that help you overlook the gigantic design flaws that permeate almost every aspect of the game. Part of what makes it charming is that they basically threw everything at the wall and saw what stuck. If you decided list FF6's dumb decisions or insane flaws the list would be a mile long and look like the worst game ever despite the fact that FF6 owns. I really hate when any form of criticism of a game gets taken to mean "it objectively sucks and is terrible, even the people defending it hate it" because that isn't what it means. ImpAtom fucked around with this message at 19:31 on Mar 15, 2016 |
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I didn't know that was you ImpAtom because you changed your avatar.
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I can say good things about literally any Final Fantasy because all of them provide something good to the series even if they are complete fuckups as games or stories. This is a good series of good games and even the bad ones are worth remembering and discussing because Final Fantasy is good.mandatory lesbian posted:i'm very self-conscious baal i dont want to offend the irish I understand ltrope. The Irish are the most important demograph.
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:Expect it's really not. 13's major problems are that it has some of the worst pacing in RPGs with a story that has maybe 6 plot points in it so the narrative is a straight line that somehow ends where it began. Not to mention the amount of rewriting and cut content that they had to have had in development compounded with the fact that they made the cutscenes first so the writers were desperately trying to stitch together story beats that had no context or connection (Remember that cut scene where Cid killed himself and that other guy we didn't know was sad?) So they had no chance to actually use or develop any of their actually good ideas. 8-Bit Scholar posted:Nobody's expecting people to not make up words. But the problem is that FF13's story is overly complicated and meandering and pointless and it's hard to really understand what the hell is going on in general after awhile, or why you're supposed to care. L'cie, Fal'cie, these aren't hard to understand in the game's context, but they represent the game's unwillingness to really tell its story clearly or effectively. FF13's story is badly told; people latched onto the dumb fantasy names 'cause it's an easy and memetic way to disparage the game. Regardless of the quality of the story one way or the other, the fact is is that even if FF13 hadn't used its stupid fantasy names, it would still be a garbage game because: Barudak posted:Outside of the story and whatever opinion you may have regarding its fantasy words FF13 has a bunch of actual game issues. Notably certain characters are gimped for plot reasons for an extra dungeon (fang, hope) and some even longer (vanille). On top of that summons, outside of a single specific encounter, are basically completely useless and with the need to libra enemies constantly makes the tp system basically pointless. Further the upgrade system is like everything wrong with an upgrade system from being unneeded in the base game, extremely grindy, and withholding critical information at every point in the process and what information it does give you is split across multiple menus. To top it off, combat has a completely pointless cutscene every time you do the thing you will do in almost literally every single battle for the first time and makes it so you need to baby your leaders hp in a game where speed is key. Did I mention as well that not all characters are created equal in stats and despite having 6 jobs and 6 characters not every character is best at one non overlapping job. not that it ultimately matters since again, like item upgrades, you don't need to know or care at any point in the main game. of all this poo poo.
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mandatory lesbian posted:did i use bloody right im not from england or scotland or whatever they call themselves now I would have added 'just' in front of the bloody but it wasn't bad otherwise Seriously though 3 DS is the absolute worst FF game, all the others have some redeeming qualities.
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