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Hra Mormo posted:They're not, they're garbage ideas which act as band-aids for terrible internal balance in codices, except GW being GW we now have what we have. Even when a better game like WMH does it it sucks, you're stuck with units which are only worth taking in a theme list and will never get fixed because then they'd be too good in the theme list. Sure you could just toss the whole formation/theme list from the updated rules, but now you have a bunch of people with entire armies no longer legal by the current rules. Well, that's the thing. I don't think they are actually trying to fix anything. I don't disagree with you though. They should absolutely tighten up the core game before putting anything ontop. BULBASAUR fucked around with this message at 06:35 on Mar 15, 2016 |
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BULBASAUR posted:Well, that's the thing. I don't think they are actually trying to fix anything. yeah lol they ain't tryin to fix poo poo, Formations exist to sell more models. Formations are obviously resulting in better sales numbers for these lovely bundles and such, especially for the tiny effort they put in. Throw a sheet of paper with some words on it into the box and all of a sudden these box sets that would normally gather dust are selling out. GW doesn't make good business decisions very often but the figures show that these lovely Formations are moving product. Is it at the expense of cannibalizing their own customer base? Who the gently caress knows, they don't have metrics for that kind of thing!
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Mar 15, 2016 12:59
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I don't think that GW realizes just how unfriendly this lovely game is for new or returning players right now. It's always been obtuse and lovely but this is the fuckin' worst. From an outside perspective, their strategy seems schizophrenic; are they trying to sell more and more bullshit to an ever-dwindling hardcore fanbase or are they trying to draw in new players with utter trash like Age of Sigmar? AoS has to be a huge loving loss for them, that poo poo is dead.
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Mar 15, 2016 13:04
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Hra Mormo posted:They're not, they're garbage ideas which act as band-aids for terrible internal balance in codices, except GW being GW we now have what we have. Even when a better game like WMH does it it sucks, you're stuck with units which are only worth taking in a theme list and will never get fixed because then they'd be too good in the theme list. Sure you could just toss the whole formation/theme list from the updated rules, but now you have a bunch of people with entire armies no longer legal by the current rules. I agree with Bulbasaur in that I definitely think it's about selling models and not fixing anything. The game is a total unbalanced mess, but I don't think formations can't work--even in a game where all the units are good, it's OK to have bonuses for either fluffy, suboptimal strategies or more/less flexible ones. But yeah, as-is, they're just not good for anything other than moving models and the "free stuff" formations are straight-up unbearable.
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Mar 15, 2016 13:06
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Phyresis posted:I don't think that GW realizes just how unfriendly this lovely game is for new or returning players right now. It's always been obtuse and lovely but this is the fuckin' worst. From an outside perspective, their strategy seems schizophrenic; are they trying to sell more and more bullshit to an ever-dwindling hardcore fanbase or are they trying to draw in new players with utter trash like Age of Sigmar? AoS has to be a huge loving loss for them, that poo poo is dead. This is pretty much what turned me to WM/H this go-round. I was getting the itch, and the cost of the new rulebook and a codex alone was like "nope."
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Mar 15, 2016 13:13
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Iron Crowned posted:This is pretty much what turned me to WM/H this go-round. I was getting the itch, and the cost of the new rulebook and a codex alone was like "nope." Yeah I really like GW's printed materials from a quality standpoint, but the cost of entering the game and staying with an army seems pretty untenable as a business strategy, especially given how little support those materials get from an editing and FAQ standpoint.
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Mar 15, 2016 13:19
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My problem is that some of these data slates are very lacking in substance for something you buy. Like, I got the Hellbrute one, and that was cool because it expands on the fluff a bit more. Then you have something like Kharns butcher hoard which just has a cover sheet, the rules, then the copywrite info. That and it looks like some of the formations are gimped in a way that contradicts the fluff does what looks like an attempt at balance, while others are trying to be extremely fluffy at the expense of them being pretty powerful.
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Mar 15, 2016 13:35
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Balance is otiose in the niche.
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Mar 15, 2016 14:42
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Buy my loving Deffkopta you stupid GW idiots!!!
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Mar 15, 2016 15:26
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More cultists with a better picture and basing. Just upgraded from an iPhone 5 to 6, turns out the camera is nicer--who knew?
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Mar 15, 2016 15:56
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I'm looking at needing a mad scientist nurgle type guy. Maybe a dude in a dude in labcoat with a big axe or something. Think an inquisitor scientist who's experiment went very very wrong.
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Mar 15, 2016 16:34
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Naramyth posted:I'm looking at needing a mad scientist nurgle type guy. Maybe a dude in a dude in labcoat with a big axe or something. Human, not space marine, right? If so, try looking at McMourning from Wyrd's Malifaux range. The old metal one (with the proctologist glove) if you want cartoony, the newer plastic one with the head on the platter if you want slightly less cartoony/more sinister.
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Mar 15, 2016 17:03
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Fabius Bile could work if you like doing conversion work. He is not as bulky as your typical marine, and is wearing a long coat.
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Mar 15, 2016 17:10
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jadebullet posted:Fabius Bile could work if you like doing conversion work. He is not as bulky as your typical marine, and is wearing a long coat.
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Mar 15, 2016 17:27
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Germ posted:Human, not space marine, right? If so, try looking at McMourning from Wyrd's Malifaux range. The old metal one (with the proctologist glove) if you want cartoony, the newer plastic one with the head on the platter if you want slightly less cartoony/more sinister. I can see the labcoat guy working. Is he metal though? SRM posted:A long coat made of faces stitched together. He's actually aged remarkably well for a 2nd ed sculpt. Yeah that's pretty good. He's in finecast so chopping him will be easier.
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Mar 15, 2016 17:57
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Naramyth posted:Yeah that's pretty good. He's in finecast so chopping him will be easier. I didn't know that Finecast still existed
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Mar 15, 2016 18:16
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Iron Crowned posted:I didn't know that Finecast still existed No new Finecast. It's only used as it should be: for the molds that were for metal models.
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Mar 15, 2016 18:20
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Not entirely true, they've made new moulds just for finecast. The thunderfire cannon is a totally new cut compared to the original. God I hope all that poo poo ends up in plastic at some point
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Mar 15, 2016 18:29
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I have a finecast tfc. It honestly isn't a bad kit. The tracks were all one piece which was very nice.
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Mar 15, 2016 18:37
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TTerrible posted:Not entirely true, they've made new moulds just for finecast. The thunderfire cannon is a totally new cut compared to the original. God I hope all that poo poo ends up in plastic at some point As in IG player I have accepted that this will never ever be the case. 
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Mar 15, 2016 18:45
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Iron Crowned posted:I didn't know that Finecast still existed They dropped the Finecast name because it's got a kind of toxic association at this point. It's just resin now. I got a resin Thrakka back in January, and aside from a bubble or two under his feet it's a pretty much perfect cast.
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Mar 15, 2016 18:46
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Besides from the occasional bendy sword and green-stuffable bubble, GW's resins have gotten much better since they dropped Finecast. But I'm so much happier now they're forging ahead with making everything plastic, GW's still probably got the best plastics I've worked with.
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SRM posted:They dropped the Finecast name because it's got a kind of toxic association at this point. It's just resin now. I got a resin Thrakka back in January, and aside from a bubble or two under his feet it's a pretty much perfect cast. Just got an Illuminor Szeras yesterday for my ally game this Friday and beside from a small bubble that cut off a kneeguard which I fixed with a touch of greenstuff it was fine. Even took a basecoat of paint with no cleaning because I'm impatient.  Still has a case of the bendy staves, but that'll be fixed with a lighter when I get home.
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Mar 15, 2016 19:39
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30 years of grim, dark, grimdarkness:
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Mar 15, 2016 20:32
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I'm curious what they can really do to be novel at this point beyond just rereleasing the original RTB01 Marines. Like a plastic kit of Mk. 6 guys would just fit in with Heresy stuff and not seem like anything too special.
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Mar 15, 2016 20:33
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I know a guy who hates beakies, but plays Raven Guard. 
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Mar 15, 2016 20:35
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Safety Factor posted:I know a guy who hates beakies, but plays Raven Guard. Even as a guy who will never play Space Marines, beaky armor is the best and if they stuck with those kinds of looks for their marines I might be tempted to buy them.
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Mar 15, 2016 20:49
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What? Something not AoS?
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Safety Factor posted:I know a guy who hates beakies, but plays Raven Guard. Its impossible to hate beakies, you must be mistaken.
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Mar 15, 2016 20:55
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Sharkopath posted:Its impossible to hate beakies, you must be mistaken. My roommate hates beakies. I made a punch captain on a bike to spite him.
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Mar 15, 2016 21:11
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The Warstore used to have a bits service, and it included a bits buyback program. I sold them all my beakie helmets and got $100. Suck it, beakailures 
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I used to hate beak helmets when I first saw the old Marine artwork but then realized I just hate the old artwork and that beak helmets are ok.
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Mar 15, 2016 21:37
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I hope they delebrate 30 years of 40k the same way they celebrated 30 years of Fantasy 
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Mar 15, 2016 21:50
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Uroboros posted:I used to hate beak helmets when I first saw the old Marine artwork but then realized I just hate the old artwork and that beak helmets are ok. I really like the helmet on the Heresy/Maximus/IV helmets that have the same vents as the beakie and are pointed a bit but are downturned more so they look like a proper gas mask. I think thats a good midway point.
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TTerrible posted:I hope they delebrate 30 years of 40k the same way they celebrated 30 years of Fantasy Goddamn you.
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Mar 15, 2016 22:17
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Uroboros posted:I used to hate beak helmets when I first saw the old Marine artwork but then realized I just hate the old artwork and that beak helmets are ok. That's pretty much how I feel too.
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Speaking of beak helmets, what ever happened to those Forgeworld Ravenguard upgrade helmet kits where one of the helmets was a bird skull? They still have an upgrade kit, but no bird skull helmet.
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TTerrible posted:I hope they delebrate 30 years of 40k the same way they celebrated 30 years of Fantasy  That would be beautiful, but I don't see it happening. 40k was updated too recently and is selling too well despite their best attempts at ruining the game.
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Naramyth posted:I can see the labcoat guy working. Is he metal though? The old one is metal. The new one with the head on the plate is plastic.
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Out of interest how well do the Malifaux human miniatures scale when next to 40K humans. They have some really interesting sculpts.
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