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Stare-Out posted:Since we're talking about unsolved murders in South Korea, I have to mention the movie "Memories of Murder", about a true story of a slew of killings in the 1980's. Definitely worth a watch. The frog boys, the story behind Memories of Murder, and the true story behind "Voice of a Murderer" (another South Korean film) are considered the three worst unsolved murder cases in South Korean history. The last one happened in the early 90s when someone kidnapped a young boy and phoned his family over 60 times over the course of a month and a half demanding a ransom. In the end the boy's body was found stuffed in a sewage pipe, and an autopsy confirmed he'd been killed pretty much immediately after being kidnapped. The never found the culprit, and just like the frog boys and Memories of Murder, the statute of limitations expired on the case years and years ago.
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The Ape of Naples posted:It's been mentioned before but as of this past summer these guys are in the free and clear. Hey, so are these guys.
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Except with them it isn't because of a statute of limitations, it's because they were minors at the time.
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Terrible Opinions posted:Except with them it isn't because of a statute of limitations, it's because they were minors at the time. It's the same them of the law being weird and ineffective.
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WickedHate posted:It's the same them of the law being weird and ineffective. The laws about minors and how their crimes follow them is neither weird nor an unintended consequence of something else.
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Huh, only one of them seems to be getting in trouble. It reminds me of the  Bulger killers. One of them's vanished out of the public eye completely as far as I can tell, the other one's been done for cocaine, possession of child porn, starting fights... He also keeps revealing his identity to people apparently.
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Pyrotoad posted:Huh, only one of them seems to be getting in trouble. It reminds me of the An anonymous tipster phoned Bulger's mother with the whereabouts of Thompson and she actually went to him but not up close. She didn't do anything but was consumed with hatred. I couldn't even imagine. Both boys denied a sexual element to it, despite evidence to the contrary, but Venables has been in prison since for child pornography and is the one who blabs about his identity. He's also been in a lot of trouble since including some other stint in prison of which he got out in 2013, and given a new identity. The boys were so young that basically booster seats were needed at court so they could see.
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WickedHate posted:It's the same them of the law being weird and ineffective. Yeah wickedhate don't you just wish you could take the law into your own hands.
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bean_shadow posted:An anonymous tipster phoned Bulger's mother with the whereabouts of Thompson and she actually went to him but not up close. She didn't do anything but was consumed with hatred. I couldn't even imagine. And Thompson is the one who was described as being a complete psychopath, initiating the crime and showing no remorse for anything he did. He could be anywhere. People keep exposing Venables because he keeps blabbing about it and they get in a lot of trouble for it, I think that's why he got his second new identity, because someone exposed him on twitter.
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eating only apples posted:And Thompson is the one who was described as being a complete psychopath, initiating the crime and showing no remorse for anything he did. He could be anywhere. I watched a documentary (not very good though) and the mass hysteria over this case still goes on in Liverpool. There are people there all for tracking both of them down and killing them, calling into a radio show demanding it and the DJ agreeing. One kid was beat up because it was thought he was one of the boys and a mother had to move away because she was being harassed because people thought she was the mother of one of the killers. ETA: This article from January 2015 which says: quote:He was freed on parole in 2013 and given his fourth new identity since James’ murder. bean_shadow has a new favorite as of 23:41 on Mar 12, 2016 |
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whiteyfats posted:http://charlotte.floridaweekly.com/news/2009-11-19/Top_News/THE_ULTIMATE_PERSONIFICATION_OF_EVIL.html Oh, you poor bastard. I'm a Port Charlotte escapee, myself.
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eating only apples posted:And Thompson is the one who was described as being a complete psychopath, initiating the crime and showing no remorse for anything he did. He could be anywhere. Armchair psychiatry-ing here, but with Thompson being the driving force and all, I wonder if Venables' problems area result of being utterly hosed up and traumatized by everything. It's tragic.
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Someone else mentioned it before me, but pretty much everything Skip Hollandsworth has written for https://www.texasmonthly.com fits this thread and is very well-written.
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http://elpasotimes.typepad.com/morgue/2009/03/48-years-many-theories-no-leads-still-missing.html This is an unsolved case in my hometown. There is a lot of speculations that the couple were spies during the Cold Era.
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Centripetal Horse posted:Oh, you poor bastard. I'm a Port Charlotte escapee, myself. Starke isn't terrible, just tiny. Probably doubled in population when Ted Bundy was executed.
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"It was a modern-day horror story: a little girl hidden away in rat-infested squalor for most of her life. When the authorities took her away from her mother and grandmother, the nine-year-old had never been to school or played outside." http://www.texasmonthly.com/author/skip-hollandsworth/page/14
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queserasera posted:"It was a modern-day horror story: a little girl hidden away in rat-infested squalor for most of her life. When the authorities took her away from her mother and grandmother, the nine-year-old had never been to school or played outside." From the article: quote:One child Granof had worked with, a severely spastic girl with cerebral palsy who had limited eye and head movement and no ability to speak, was put in the back of a regular classroom in a tiny school district in Texas that had no special-education program. For two years the girl sat there, her head down, staring at whatever book the teacher stuck in front of her. She was ignored for most of the day. Yet, on her own, the girl taught herself to read.
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Poor girl. I found a video too, I haven't fully watched it but needless to say it is probably depressing and disturbing as gently caress https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8Oirc8xOwg
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Rondette posted:Poor girl. it's actually really heartwarming 
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Troposphere posted:it's actually really heartwarming Yea, it was really sweet.  Although, holy poo poo, talk about getting thrown into the deep end - those foster parents had just completed the foster care course. Victoria was their first foster child. Wow.
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bean_shadow posted:From the article: Sometimes I think kids with CP and other motor diseases have it the worst, because people assume they're intellectually disabled too, and often their brains are fine, they just can't communicate what they're thinking. An online friend of mine has a daughter who suffered brain damage after a bout of meningitis as a baby. She can't walk, can't talk, has limited motor control .... but if she's in a good mood and has her iPad to communicate, she can tell her mom that she loves Katy Perry and is interested in the same things other 9-year-old girls are. But her home care nurses treat her like a baby and coo at her and ignore her requests. 
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Karma Monkey posted:Yea, it was really sweet. I've been a foster parent for a couple of months and I'm basically agog that they took that on and did so well. Then again, I'm also a CPS social worker so god knows I have called inexperienced foster parents, begged them to consider a hard case, and coached them through difficult first placements because there were no other options. So I guess I get it. I'm going to go home and hug my fairly average sixteen year old foster daughter while she rolls her eyes at me now
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Mocking Bird posted:I've been a foster parent for a couple of months and I'm basically agog that they took that on and did so well. Didn't you post in the small (ha) achievements thread about becoming a first-time foster, and you said you may consider a permanent placement? Even if you end up not doing so, just posting about this has made this thread go from to just a little.
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Posting so I can check my post history in this thread, lo siento
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Maggie Fletcher posted:Didn't you post in the small (ha) achievements thread about becoming a first-time foster, and you said you may consider a permanent placement? Even if you end up not doing so, just posting about this has made this thread go from I am indeed that person  My foster daughter moved in at the end of January, and I signed a long term agreement. She's going to be with me until she leaves for college in the fall of 2017. She's a former client of mine and I straight up adore her. To keep this on topic: 477 child deaths: how Florida preserved families but lost kids To absolutely no ones surprise, Florida sucks at child welfare/child protective services just as much as it sucks at everything else. 477 children were left with or returned to their families of origin and died as a result. In comparison, a county I worked for in California has the population almost equal to Miami, Jacksonville, and Orlando combined and we had one child under our supervision die while in their parents care last year. The philosophy of child welfare has been moving towards preserving families and helping people turn their lives around. Legislation and lawsuits order us to offer increasingly intensive services to help a parent reunify with their children. However, Florida went wrong by cutting back placing children in foster homes while simultaneously cutting funding and supervision for the children left with their (legally declared) abusive or neglectful parents. This is enormous, and horrendous. I see each of my child clients 1-5 times per month, and I can't imagine the anguish I would feel if it turned out I left them somewhere where they would be starved, suffocated, molested, or medically neglected to death. The level of agency oversight in these cases in Florida is loving chilling. This is also the state that lost Rilya Wilson, a five year old girl. As in literally lost for YEARS and probably murdered by her foster parent. I think this has been mentioned earlier in the thread. As always anyone interested in child welfare and fostering is welcome to PM me.
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Mocking Bird posted:As always anyone interested in child welfare and fostering is welcome to PM me. That would make an excellent a/t thread, imo. Something silly: a lost civilization preserved deep within the Grand Canyon: [http://www.crystalinks.com/gc_egyptconnection.html]. It's unnerving to me how people can believe this stuff.
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Mocking Bird posted:I am indeed that person Congratulations to you and your foster daughter, Mocking Bird. I need to learn to be more cautious about this thread, though. That article contained a link to the Miami Herald investigation reports, Innocents Lost, which contains links to the Herald database of child deaths associated with families that had previous contacts with DCF. On the one hand, the depth of the journalist's investigation is impressive; on the other, why did I read this in the middle of the night? Reading it's probably a mistake since I have to go to bed and try to sleep sometime tonight. Florida now looks worse than ever, if that's possible. What the gently caress is wrong down there that they let this poo poo happen? I mean, a lot of what was wrong is outlined in the articles, but still, why the gently caress would it take any state that long to fix their poo poo when children's lives were at stake? I really loving hate Florida right now. Filox has a new favorite as of 10:55 on Mar 15, 2016 |
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Filox posted:What the gently caress is wrong down there that they let this poo poo happen? I mean, a lot of what was wrong is outlined in the articles, but still, why the gently caress would it take any state that long to fix their poo poo when children's lives were at stake? Money and politics. DCF is constantly fighting to receive adequate funds. Florida is required to have a balanced budget every year and welfare/entitlement programs are easier to cut because the people affected don't hire lobbyists. ChickenOfTomorrow has a new favorite as of 22:44 on Jan 21, 2017 |
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queserasera posted:That would make an excellent a/t thread, imo. I always worry my information is too limited and specific or there wouldn't be any interest Filox posted:Congratulations to you and your foster daughter, Mocking Bird. Thank you! And child welfare agencies throughout the country look at Florida and go "this is what happens when we give up" and we lobby extra hard and when we train our new workers we expect high quality care because "this isn't Florida goddammit" I can't find a source at the moment but there were also quite a few foster children (and non foster) lost in the post-Katrina shuffle across the south Don't get me started on Texas and Mississippi. Even freaking metropolitan Massachusetts has a seriously undermanned and underfunded staff with inadequate supervision of children who are still home with their families. If you're going to have your kids taken try to be in Northern California, San Diego, Minnesota, or Wisconsin.
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Mocking Bird posted:I am indeed that person This is why I could never foster a child. I'd probably end up going to jail for refusing to give them back to their abusive/neglectful parents.
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Solice Kirsk posted:I'm honestly torn on this one. A part of me thinks if you were bad enough to lose your kids you should never get them back, but another part of me thinks that if you clean up your life and prove yourself responsible maybe you deserve a second chance. I'd lean waaaaaay more towards the first though. Especially hearing some of the horror stories from here about conditions that kids were left in. Hey, we had our very own CPS success story right here on SA. I'm pretty sure the original thread was this one: CPS Took my kids this morning: Do I have a legal leg to stand on? Basically, his 5 year old daughter was used to taking care of herself and accidentally went to school on a Sunday, where some people found her and called the cops because she was by herself. When they went to the house it was such a disaster that they called CPS, who took one look at the place and immediately pulled the kids out of there. I can't find the follow up thread, but he really busted his rear end to clean up his act and eventually got them back. If I'm not mistaken he kept it up, so it's a genuine E/N success story. It also ended up being a great comic in that 'let's draw E/N stories' thread in GBS from a couple of years back.
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People deserve a chance to change under the (ideally well funded, well trained) critical eye of a state social worker. More than anything, the children deserve a chance to have their family, and it's my job to work with parents and guardians to make them into good enough caregivers that those kids can have that family. Foster care loving SUCKS most of the time and has worse outcomes than a child living in poverty with their family of origin. Let me tell you, nothing feels worse as a social worker than deciding a mother is neglectful and placing a child in a foster home where they are then exposed to even worse abuse So no, we don't take every kid, and we return the ones we can because with proper oversight and pragmatic decision making they actually do better at home. Just don't be Florida jesus christ
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Mocking Bird posted:I always worry my information is too limited and specific or there wouldn't be any interest I knew a woman who worked for CPS in southern CA. The thing that got her (and me) the most were the women who'd ask if they could just give up their kids so they could get their boyfriend out of jail.
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The Mentalizer posted:Hey, we had our very own CPS success story right here on SA. I'm pretty sure the original thread was this one: CPS Took my kids this morning: Do I have a legal leg to stand on? Basically, his 5 year old daughter was used to taking care of herself and accidentally went to school on a Sunday, where some people found her and called the cops because she was by herself. When they went to the house it was such a disaster that they called CPS, who took one look at the place and immediately pulled the kids out of there. I can't find the follow up thread, but he really busted his rear end to clean up his act and eventually got them back. If I'm not mistaken he kept it up, so it's a genuine E/N success story. It also ended up being a great comic in that 'let's draw E/N stories' thread in GBS from a couple of years back. Does anyone actually have the followup on this with proof that he cleaned up his act? Whenever anyone mentions this as a success story I always wonder how much of it was actually proven and how much was just some guy claiming things on the internet to save face
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