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Rodenthar Drothman posted:It fuels us. When all the tears are emptied, nothing will remain. Just an empty, cold feeling. Numbness. Nothing matters.
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DeusExMachinima posted:People for whom Trump is too insane. Take that as you will. I've always taken Cruz supporters to be the people that think Trump is in the right ballpark, but religion is their wedge issue.
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TheOneOutside posted:I've always taken Cruz supporters to be the people that think Trump is in the right ballpark, but religion is their wedge issue. Cruz loving despises abortion with the fury of one million incinerated fetuses.
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DemeaninDemon posted:Cruz loving despises abortion with the fury of one million incinerated fetuses.
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Samurai Sanders posted:Any idea how many abortions Trump's mistresses have had? Probably enough to fuel the blood furnace assuming ol' small hands can function properly.
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go3 posted:8 years of Hillary is going to only further entrench the lackeys in the DNC until they have their own Tea Party like event and then promptly hand over the Presidency to the GOP to match their nearly assailable, gerry-mandered to gently caress and back Congressional lead
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I don't know about you guys, but Hillary's talking point of "America has always been great!" makes me groan every time I hear it. Like, yes, it's a good rebuttal to Trumps' "Make America Great Again" campaign slogan, but the reality is that America has more-or-less gone to poo poo since the 1990s and we desperately need a rehaul of virtually every important sector of America - higher education costs, healthcare costs, campaign finance, the Freedom Caucus holding the country hostage every time a budget deadline comes up... The list goes on. America is in shambles and Hillary's slogan seems disconnected from the reality of the situation. She's already made it clear she only wants to make minor adjustments to the situation rather than any sort of grand overhaul that Obama at least imagined during his 2008 campaign. Urgh, I don't know... Just venting, I guess.  E: It doesn't help when you have the BBC interviewing rally-goers saying how they prefer Hillary over Sanders because they think Sanders is too "equalist" and that life is not equal for everybody. Plus a hairdresser I had the pleasure of listening to today basically advocating for social Darwinist views on why people should have exorbitant college costs. Americans are going to get the government they deserve. Teriyaki Koinku fucked around with this message at 08:40 on Mar 16, 2016 |
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Mar 16, 2016 08:34
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Your Dunkle Sans posted:I don't know about you guys, but Hillary's talking point of "America has always been great!" makes me groan every time I hear it. I really hope Hillary gets good at this, otherwise Trump is gonna steam roll her. white sauce fucked around with this message at 08:42 on Mar 16, 2016 |
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:I really hope Hillary gets good at this, otherwise Trump is gonna steal roll her. Still can't happen.
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Don't you mean steel roll her by bringing back manufacturer jobs?
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DemeaninDemon posted:Don't you mean steel roll her by bringing back manufacturer jobs? hes gonna knead her into dough!
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SedanChair posted:Still can't happen.
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I know how glacially slow politics can be, but it's been 8 years since 2008. I feel old as gently caress compared to then. And we're supposed to wait another 4-8 years before the possibility of a new, possibly more progressive candidate for president by then? It's incredibly depressing to think that I'm going to be old and graying, possibly dead, before we even see the remote possibility of trying for universal healthcare again in America where other countries have long since established sane healthcare systems years ago. Again, venting, but how can we be this spiteful and self-destructive as a country to advocate for this kind of social Darwinism (albeit anecdotally) to justify post-hoc why things are so lovely?
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Your Dunkle Sans posted:I know how glacially slow politics can be, but it's been 8 years since 2008. I feel old as gently caress compared to then. And we're supposed to wait another 4-8 years before the possibility of a new, possibly more progressive candidate for president by then? Elect progressives to Congress. Primary Blue Dogs out of office. Give money to Tim Canova so he replaces DWS. Make them force Clinton to follow a more progressive route than she otherwise would.
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Majorian posted:Elect progressives to Congress. Primary Blue Dogs out of office. Give money to Tim Canova so he replaces DWS. Make them force Clinton to follow a more progressive route than she otherwise would. Trust me, I'm trying. Been out doing canvassing work, doing what I can to nudge the barometer in my own way.
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Your Dunkle Sans posted:Trust me, I'm trying. I mean this in all seriousness: you should move to Canada.
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Your Dunkle Sans posted:I know how glacially slow politics can be, but it's been 8 years since 2008. I feel old as gently caress compared to then. And we're supposed to wait another 4-8 years before the possibility of a new, possibly more progressive candidate for president by then? We like to bitch about old people, and sure they are awful at higher rates that most anyone else. But it doesn't help any when you got one faction of the (center-)left threatening to stay home on the election day, and another faction basically saying "that's fine with us". That's not how you build a coalition. Frankly, with what's going on with the GOP right now, maybe the Democrats can stay right where they are platform and ideologically speaking, and there is room for a Social-Democratic party on the left. Kilroy fucked around with this message at 08:58 on Mar 16, 2016 |
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Your Dunkle Sans posted:Trust me, I'm trying. Right on. You're fighting the good fight, and it will pay dividends. Don't give up.  Kilroy posted:President doesn't mean poo poo. It's not like, if Hillary is elected along with a massively Progressive Senate and House, she's just going to veto her own party and stonewall on left-wing causes. The problem is that we're not going to get that in Congress, because the only people who come out to vote in the midterms are bitter old racist shitheads. Well, but the good news is, sometimes Congressional elections also fall on a presidential election year. The current one, for example.
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Kilroy posted:President doesn't mean poo poo. It's not like, if Hillary is elected along with a massively Progressive Senate and House, she's just going to veto her own party and stonewall on left-wing causes. The problem is that we're not going to get that in Congress, because the only people who come out to vote in the midterms are bitter old racist shitheads. There's a decaying corpse of Scalia that disagrees.
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Kilroy posted:I don't know how much comfort should realistically be had from the 2008 and 2012 electoral college maps, considering literally every last thing happening in this election so far is basically unprecedented in contemporary American politics. Just because the Republican Party's base has gone insane doesn't mean the entire country has. If anything the demographic model seems to be working as fine or even better than any polling models and the demographic model is looking very good for whoever has D after their name.
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Kilroy posted:President doesn't mean poo poo. It's not like, if Hillary is elected along with a massively Progressive Senate and House, she's just going to veto her own party and stonewall on left-wing causes. The problem is that we're not going to get that in Congress, because the only people who come out to vote in the midterms are bitter old racist shitheads. It's true that the President is not the end-all be-all that a lot of people simplify it as, but it's also a pretty significant factor that affects down-ticket races. Look at what the DNC did to pressure state races in 2014 to distance themselves from Obama since they figured that was the prevailing strategy to win seats. What happens with the presidency does impact other seats down the ballot.
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DemeaninDemon posted:There's a decaying corpse of Scalia that disagrees. True, but he does bring up a good point, which is that the presidency really can't be the engine for progressive change, at least at this juncture in history. We need to be the generation that gets the left organized and mobilized again in the U.S., and I'm firmly of the mindset that that needs to begin downticket. With enough loud progressive voices in Congress, even a center-right president like Hillary Clinton would hypothetically be, can be moved to the left. Your Dunkle Sans posted:It's true that the President is not the end-all be-all that a lot of people simplify it as, but it's also a pretty significant factor that affects down-ticket races. Look at what the DNC did to pressure state races in 2014 to distance themselves from Obama since they figured that was the prevailing strategy to win seats. True, but on the other hand, it's also just a flat-out terrible idea not to vote in those midterm elections just because a president doesn't inspire you, or did at one point but now doesn't any longer (and I'm not accusing you of doing this at all, to be clear - I'm just speaking of people who have done this). I really wish more young left-wing people had voted in 2010 and 2014. Even if they had voted 3rd party and the Dems had still lost control of both houses of Congress, that would have been a message to the DNC. As it stands, the current strategy of "protesting by not voting" only reinforces DWS' mindset towards attracting younger voters: don't bother. They're too irresponsible to get out the vote. I'm tired of her being "proved right," even if that's only true in her mind. We need to start teaching political leaders the RIGHT lesson, not just any lesson. Majorian fucked around with this message at 09:05 on Mar 16, 2016 |
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Majorian posted:True, but he does bring up a good point, which is that the presidency really can't be the engine for progressive change, at least at this juncture in history. We need to be the generation that gets the left organized and mobilized again in the U.S., and I'm firmly of the mindset that that needs to begin downticket. With enough loud progressive voices in Congress, even a center-right president like Hillary Clinton would hypothetically be, can be moved to the left. I agree. The national seats are pretty much locked-up through federal lobbying and inertia, the real change can only really and necessarily be made on the local and state level that are relatively ignored. Trickle-up pressure, so to speak.
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Your Dunkle Sans posted:Trust me, I'm trying. Dehumanize yourself and face to trump. If things get really bad, you can just use your dual citizenship and move to another country! You are a dual citizen, right?
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Majorian posted:True, but he does bring up a good point, which is that the presidency really can't be the engine for progressive change, at least at this juncture in history. We need to be the generation that gets the left organized and mobilized again in the U.S., and I'm firmly of the mindset that that needs to begin downticket. With enough loud progressive voices in Congress, even a center-right president like Hillary Clinton would hypothetically be, can be moved to the left. Yeah pretty much spot on. Having the white house not be home to Cruz/Trump/Kasich is still priority #1. My hopes that Sanders keeps bringing in young people to the cause. That's the key.
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http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/03/the-huge-cultural-shift-thats-helping-trump-win-evangelicals-213729?o=1 This is a pretty good article, I think. It's put into words my thoughts about religion in america that I could never completely articulate. That your religion is more political than spiritual these days. Nelson Mandingo fucked around with this message at 09:11 on Mar 16, 2016 |
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Kilroy posted:I don't know how much comfort should realistically be had from the 2008 and 2012 electoral college maps, considering literally every last thing happening in this election so far is basically unprecedented in contemporary American politics. What's definitely going to happen is that Donald Trump is going to be the biggest news in the world every day for ten months. The dog that chases cars has finally caught one.
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Your Dunkle Sans posted:I don't know about you guys, but Hillary's talking point of "America has always been great!" makes me groan every time I hear it.
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GreyjoyBastard posted:So your argument is that protesting a rally of nontrivial size with nontrivial / remotely comparable numbers is suppression? Well, let's apply your thinking to Planned Parenthood clinics. Is it cool for some giant church group to intimidate the clients? Kick the doctors out? Pregnancy kit, get hit? Is that legitimate and righteous? (Hint: no) Maoist Pussy fucked around with this message at 09:12 on Mar 16, 2016 |
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RuanGacho posted:People deserve a better government than they vote for. I want to believe you, but it's hard when you have people in lovely positions justifying their poo poo position in life due to social Darwinism they themselves believe in and profess to out loud in public.
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deadly_pudding posted:There's this impression that people seem to have that the first amendment protects you from other private citizens. The importance of free speech does not begin and end with the First Amendment, just as racial justice does not begin and end with the 14th.
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Nelson Mandingo posted:http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/03/the-huge-cultural-shift-thats-helping-trump-win-evangelicals-213729?o=1  they were never that religious to begin with
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RuanGacho posted:People deserve a better government than they vote for.
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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:Got a source for this? It was already posted in the rightwing populism and the crazy forwards thread, if not already here. Here's a link, but it's behind a paywall: https://www.nationalreview.com/nrd/articles/432569/father-f-hrer Key quote from the article: quote:If you spend time in hardscrabble, white upstate New York, or eastern Kentucky, or my own native West Texas, and you take an honest look at the welfare dependency, the drug and alcohol addiction, the family anarchy—which is to say, the whelping of human children with all the respect and wisdom of a stray dog—you will come to an awful realization. It wasn’t Beijing. It wasn’t even Washington, as bad as Washington can be. It wasn’t immigrants from Mexico, excessive and problematic as our current immigration levels are. It wasn’t any of that. There's nothing better than seeing the rural white regressives get turned on by their own party. If we're lucky, they either end up pulling Dixiecrats 2.0 or no major party bothers to court them anymore. Either way ends their ability to ruin the country for the rest of us, and I can't think of a more fitting fate then for them to be ignored until they disappear as group by everyone with the means GTFOing to greener fields.
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rkajdi posted:If we're lucky, they either end up pulling Dixiecrats 2.0 or no major party bothers to court them anymore.
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Kilroy posted:People deserve immortal lives free of scarcity, but they probably shouldn't expect it, and they definitely shouldn't take deliberate action to prevent it then complain when it doesn't happen. Being immortal is terrible though, especially if a volcano throws you into space and you're just sort of floating out there with nothing to do forever.
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Volcott posted:Being immortal is terrible though, especially if a volcano throws you into space and you're just sort of floating out there with nothing to do forever. Kilroy fucked around with this message at 09:51 on Mar 16, 2016 |
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