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Maybe it's just me but it seems like all the constructed-playable green creatures lately are more about not costing you a card than being big and efficient.
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Sickening posted:I agree, but at the cost of a land slot you get another line of play that gives you options. Yeah. The mana for BW is good enough that you aren't really giving up much by including say 2 in your deck.
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ThePeavstenator posted:Maybe it's just me but it seems like all the constructed-playable green creatures lately are more about not costing you a card than being big and efficient. This is how most constructed playable creatures tend to work in decks that aren't aggro. Thragtusk's 5 power was great but that wasn't what made it dominant.
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Mar 17, 2016 16:19
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Mar 17, 2016 16:21
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I like that the flavor text describes R&D's stance towards this card in Modern
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Mar 17, 2016 16:22
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:I like that the flavor text describes R&D's stance towards this card in Modern Nothing because a Seething Song that makes you skip your previous turn is pretty bad.
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Mar 17, 2016 16:25
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I feel like if you play this turn 2 in the Faith's Reward/Open the Vaults deck you are probably going off turn 3. It's a bit like a second copy of Tinker for Black Lotus. e: it's worse of course but I think it may be close enough Irony Be My Shield fucked around with this message at 16:31 on Mar 17, 2016 |
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Mar 17, 2016 16:28
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It also filters, so I guess it's not terrible if you really need to turn your other mana red.
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Mar 17, 2016 16:29
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DarkRider09 posted:It also filters, so I guess it's not terrible if you really need to turn your other mana red. it's really bad if you're not comboing with it
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Mar 17, 2016 16:33
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Entropic posted:Of all the dumb things they're trying to do with Standard "Llanowar Elves is too good" is the one that annoys me the most.
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Mar 17, 2016 16:40
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It is a good card in both legacy and modern, I don't see why the idea of it being too good to be evergreen is absurd
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Bonus posted:It's not really that surprising, given that the green creatures in standard are Siege Rhino and friends, whereas kill spells and counterspells feature stuff like Scatter to the Wind, Ruinous path, etc. Rotates out in April. This was literally the perfect time to reintroduce these sorts of things.
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Mar 17, 2016 16:47
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I personally like how not only is a 1 cmc mana dork too good for standard, the 2 cmc mana dorks are showing up as rare.
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Mar 17, 2016 16:48
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Part of vessel's purpose is probably just enabling delirium, and probably just in limited.
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Mar 17, 2016 16:49
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Yeah they're probably doing a bunch of low rarity 'seals' to help enable delirium in limited.
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Mar 17, 2016 16:50
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Holy crap, my brain completely filtered out the expansion symbol on that mana dork and just assumed that it had to be common or uncommon. That is so bad.
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Mar 17, 2016 16:51
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It looks like Vessel may be part of a cycle similar to Font of Fortunes & the like
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Mar 17, 2016 16:51
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JerryLee posted:Holy crap, my brain completely filtered out the expansion symbol on that mana dork and just assumed that it had to be common or uncommon. That is so bad. A 2/1 mana dork with deathtouch would be too powerful at rare, better ad delirium clause.
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Mar 17, 2016 16:52
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Sickening posted:A 2/1 mana dork with deathtouch would be too powerful at rare, better ad delirium clause. Considering how sexy Rattleclaw Mystic is already, without any combat keywords? Probably.
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Sickening posted:A 2/1 mana dork with deathtouch would be too powerful at rare, better ad delirium clause.
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Mar 17, 2016 17:06
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Deathtouch seems like a good thing for a manadork to have in the lategame.
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BizarroAzrael posted:Part of vessel's purpose is probably just enabling delirium, and probably just in limited. Agreed, but it's still a really bad card for that. Historically putting yourself down a card for little/no value other than enabling your synergy cards is not a winning move. See also: Bonesaw
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Mar 17, 2016 17:10
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I'm the guy losing my poo poo about a card that unbalances limited at rare.
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little munchkin posted:Agreed, but it's still a really bad card for that. except Bonesaw has been demonstrated to be the glue holding the current draft environment together, so
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Irony Be My Shield posted:It is a good card in both legacy and modern, I don't see why the idea of it being too good to be evergreen is absurd I think you'd have a hard time arguing that llanowar elves is or ever will be too good for standard. About the most you could say is that they don't fit in with what wizards wants the format to be about, which is a very different thing.
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Why? It's a good card even in much more powerful formats, it's basically always played when legal and having it on turn 1 massively raises your win percentage.
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Panderfringe posted:Isn't it the stated goalof wotc to turn standard into kitchen table magic? When I think of what suits kitchen table players, I do not think "make the format's staple mana dork a rare"
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Mar 17, 2016 17:18
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Man I hope we get a lingering souls reprint. I'd really love to run Ayli and Sorin in an Orzhov Tokens deck with that new vindicate
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Count Bleck posted:Rotates out in April. This was literally the perfect time to reintroduce these sorts of things.
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JerryLee posted:When I think of what suits kitchen table players, I do not think "make the format's staple mana dork a rare" Why not? It sells packs. It's actually v appropriate, similar to when Garfield thought having black lotus at rare meant people wouldn't see it often. It's literally the vision.
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Chill la Chill posted:Why not? It sells packs. It's actually v appropriate, similar to when Garfield thought having black lotus at rare meant people wouldn't see it often. It's literally the vision. Does it? I'm not so sure that the players who crack packs will be too excited that their rare is a 2/1 that taps for mana when their friend just cracked a planeswalker.
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That's Garfield's Vision. You dont want to impose on his great Vision do you?
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Entropic posted:Of all the dumb things they're trying to do with Standard "Llanowar Elves is too good" is the one that annoys me the most. Between this, etbt lands and no one mana filter/cantrips, I think they are trying to eliminate all turn one plays besides a goblin or similar.
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Sharzak posted:Man I hope we get a lingering souls reprint. I'd really love to run Ayli and Sorin in an Orzhov Tokens deck with that new vindicate Flashback isn't in this set
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Barry Shitpeas posted:Flashback isn't in this set My dream is that it exists in eldritch moon
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They haven't announced cool paper hats or candy for the prerelease and you buffoons are excited about getting planes walkers? 
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Panderfringe posted:Isn't it the stated goalof wotc to turn standard into kitchen table magic? How the gently caress does this work Got a source on this?
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Chill la Chill posted:They haven't announced cool paper hats or candy for the prerelease and you buffoons are excited about getting planes walkers? well the prerelease is in april so unless they're doing it for purim Elyv fucked around with this message at 17:46 on Mar 17, 2016 |
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Sorin doesn't seem like he gets there. I mean, he's technically harder to cast than Elspeth or Chandra and worse than either one because he doesn't really bring you back when you are losing. I don't know. I'm reminded a lot of Garruk, Apex Predator. I just think he's too expensive for what he does. I just feel like the situation he is good in is the same situation that Linvala is good in and Linvala doesn't do anything in constructed. I just don't think his potential to affect the board is significant enough for 6 mana.
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Bread Set Jettison posted:My dream is that it exists in eldritch moon It will because we'll flashback to Zendikar (REMEMBER THAT PLANE!?!) where Maro will come out on stage, reveal the new % mana symbol, another set of expeditions reprinting cards that no one plays, a new Emrakul cast for blue/black mana, and talk about how adding colored mana to the Eldrazi was both a great flavor and design decision. Timmies love opening Eldrazi we need to print MORE!
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