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Nonsense
Jan 26, 2007

oystertoadfish posted:

yeah im not surprised to hear hes getting richer

i guess i really meant, doing anything republicans accuse him of. the general need to throw his name in any sentence involving protests for example

Maybe they hope all this new attention and pressure from Trump being president will finally destroy him.

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Zelder
Jan 4, 2012

has anyone said "superredditor" yet

Fiction
Apr 28, 2011
Trump will definitely alienate a huge portion of his base by supporting criminal justice reform because im thesaurus and i live in upside down land

The Saurus
Dec 3, 2006

by Smythe

Peachstapler posted:

You would think a guy like Trump with such strong, almost irrational personal convictions against drugs would do the opposite of support legalization.

I guess he's smart enough to realize that prohibition does absolutely nothing to deter use and just helps the cartels.

Donald Trump posted:

Trump argued in 1990 that the only way to win the War on Drugs was to legalize drugs and use the tax revenue to fund drug education programs. As he put it, "You have to take the profit away from these drug czars."

I don't think his feelings about his brother dying young of substance abuse is something you should attack trump for btw

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



Fun fact: all criminal justice reform is painted by the right as an attack on police. Trump is definitely not into reforming poo poo as evidenced by him making no promises or statements in that regard

Slate Action
Feb 13, 2012

by exmarx
They did it! They figured it out!

https://twitter.com/cd_hooks/status/710545132160811009

MaxxBot
Oct 6, 2003

you could have clapped

you should have clapped!!

Fiction posted:

Trump will definitely alienate a huge portion of his base by supporting criminal justice reform because im thesaurus and i live in upside down land

I don't think there is really that much strong opposition to it from the right except from the politicians, Freepers support legal weed and complain about police abuse for fucks fake.

InsanityIsCrazy
Jan 25, 2003

by Lowtax

Zelder posted:

in that video he said he was going to leave it up to the states. that's the opposite, the saurus


oh i agree but saying "leave it up to the states" is deffo not the same as "legalize it at the federal level". it's soft at best

As cool as it would be, I personally don't think we as a nation could handle every state simultaneously striking up a spliff and doing repeats of reefer madness: the musical

its collateral that I would personally be fine with but I don't see congresspeople thinking like me (psychotic)

The Saurus
Dec 3, 2006

by Smythe

TwinsensRevenge posted:

i'd ask the mods to word filter "superpredators", but its actually a great heuristic for determining when someone is a bad poster

Did Hillary say she "misspoke" on that one yet?

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



Buckley would probably rather shutter the National Review than shake the hand of a common person. Dude was a trash garbage human being and if anything Vidal went too easy on him

EugeneJ
Feb 5, 2012

by FactsAreUseless

Epic High Five posted:

Kinda weird that David Duke is stumping for Trump then huh

Well actually

KKK grand dragon endorses Hillary Clinton for president

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004




What does Hillary have going for her than a dragon larper would like? Even if he's an ironic dixiecrat, Trump's like their golden ideal candidate

Zelder
Jan 4, 2012

InsanityIsCrazy posted:

As cool as it would be, I personally don't think we as a nation could handle every state simultaneously striking up a spliff and doing repeats of reefer madness: the musical

its collateral that I would personally be fine with but I don't see congresspeople thinking like me (psychotic)

i want america to live out a real time the purge, but with weed and oreos instead

but yeah i do admire the saurus for holding onto his convictions despite all evidence to the contrary

Fiction
Apr 28, 2011

MaxxBot posted:

I don't think there is really that much strong opposition to it from the right

The right only cares about police abuse when it happens to white people

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

oystertoadfish posted:

yeah im not surprised to hear hes getting richer

i guess i really meant, doing anything republicans accuse him of. the general need to throw his name in any sentence involving protests for example

His foundation gave grants to some groups who later joined Black Lives Matter protests. Which seems incriminating, but groups that start competing for foundation money tend to get less political over time. Otherwise he mostly funds civil society stuff. The Russian conspiracies about him at least make sense, as he probably does dislike Russia.

https://www.opensocietyfoundations.org/about
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Society_Foundations

All this stuff is boring compared to the 60s, when Chicago gangs were getting grant money from the Ford Foundation for bail funds and socialists were infiltrating welfare programs.

Tubesock
Apr 20, 2002




A vote of protest against Hillary puts a fascist in power and could lead to a 1933 Germany-like situation in the USA.
This is the most serious and dangerous election in the last 150 years in this country, and wishful thinking, even well-intentioned, is what children who aren't able to judge consequences do, not what adults do who are fighting for the lives of their brothers and sisters.
Divide up the Democratic vote and you will see:
War with China
Deportations of Muslims and Mexicans
Student loan debtors in prison
African-American Rights going back to 1963
Planned Parenthood shut down
PP employees imprisoned or executed
War with Mexico
Increase in the number of people in prison
Possible surrender of more of your Civil and Human Rights, not to mention your Constitutional Rights.
This is not the time to be loving around with this sort of simplistic and non-strategic thinking.
I don't want to go to prison and watch my wife executed because you're too immature to make a rational voting choice.

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost

Peachstapler posted:

Wasn't Graham joking recently about how his endorsements are the death knell for campaigns? Maybe there is more to this than meets the eye...

He's by leaps and bounds the most fun GOPe-r to watch. And he is a constant reminder that Strom Thurmond is dead, which is awesome.

InsanityIsCrazy
Jan 25, 2003

by Lowtax

Tubesock posted:

A vote of protest against Hillary puts a fascist in power and could lead to a 1933 Germany-like situation in the USA.
This is the most serious and dangerous election in the last 150 years in this country, and wishful thinking, even well-intentioned, is what children who aren't able to judge consequences do, not what adults do who are fighting for the lives of their brothers and sisters.
Divide up the Democratic vote and you will see:
War with China
Deportations of Muslims and Mexicans
Student loan debtors in prison
African-American Rights going back to 1963
Planned Parenthood shut down
PP employees imprisoned or executed
War with Mexico
Increase in the number of people in prison
Possible surrender of more of your Civil and Human Rights, not to mention your Constitutional Rights.
This is not the time to be loving around with this sort of simplistic and non-strategic thinking.
I don't want to go to prison and watch my wife executed because you're too immature to make a rational voting choice.

Thanks, Jeb




Theb

Pinterest Mom
Jun 9, 2009

Joementum posted:

Reminder that this was recently an issue in American politics because WE ARE THE GREATEST NATION ON EARTH.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxJyPsmEask
timely
https://twitter.com/NKingofDC/status/710548732048236544

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



Tubesock posted:

A vote of protest against Hillary puts a fascist in power and could lead to a 1933 Germany-like situation in the USA.
This is the most serious and dangerous election in the last 150 years in this country, and wishful thinking, even well-intentioned, is what children who aren't able to judge consequences do, not what adults do who are fighting for the lives of their brothers and sisters.
Divide up the Democratic vote and you will see:
War with China
Deportations of Muslims and Mexicans
Student loan debtors in prison
African-American Rights going back to 1963
Planned Parenthood shut down
PP employees imprisoned or executed
War with Mexico
Increase in the number of people in prison
Possible surrender of more of your Civil and Human Rights, not to mention your Constitutional Rights.
This is not the time to be loving around with this sort of simplistic and non-strategic thinking.
I don't want to go to prison and watch my wife executed because you're too immature to make a rational voting choice.

But Trump says that's not true

Obviously the truth is in the middle

LogisticEarth
Mar 28, 2004

Someone once told me, "Time is a flat circle".

InsanityIsCrazy posted:

As cool as it would be, I personally don't think we as a nation could handle every state simultaneously striking up a spliff and doing repeats of reefer madness: the musical

its collateral that I would personally be fine with but I don't see congresspeople thinking like me (psychotic)

As far as I understand it, there's nothing the Feds can do to force legalization on states with the exception of somehow ruling narcotics bans unconstitutional or something. That's not happening, it's not some fundamental human rights issue like marriage equality.

The realistic course of action is a repeal of the federal prohibition and cessation of funding for that portion of the drug war. Or, in other words, leaving it up to the states.

InsanityIsCrazy
Jan 25, 2003

by Lowtax

LogisticEarth posted:

As far as I understand it, there's nothing the Feds can do to force legalization on states with the exception of somehow ruling narcotics bans unconstitutional or something. That's not happening, it's not some fundamental human rights issue like marriage equality.

I would die happy if I bore witness to federal agents pushing giant bricks of sticky icky onto a mom and pop store in kentucky while saying "YOU'RE GONNA TAKE IT OR I'MA SHOVE IT DOWN YOUR THROAT"

Kylra
Dec 1, 2006

Not a cute boy, just a boring girl.
I love the democratic process.

oystertoadfish
Jun 17, 2003


quote:

Quigg bases his support on his belief that Clinton is pushing false promises on the campaign trail. Once she gets elected, he contends, her agenda will completely shift.

“Border policies are going to be put in place,” Quigg said. “Our second amendment rights that she’s saying she’s against now, she’s not against. She’s just our choice for the presidency.”

But Clinton wasn’t always Quigg’s choice.

He supported Trump as recently as September, tweeting that Trump was “the only hope we have of getting WHITE AMERICA BACK!”

even if we pretend it isn't obvious that this guy's switch from trump to hillary, which he didn't even bother to come up with an actual rationale for, is a tactical move to help trump with the disavowing, this doesn't exactly even the balance between the evidence that trump is the white nationalist candidate of choice and the evidence that hillary is actually secretly their totem-bearer

Atrocious Joe posted:

His foundation gave grants to some groups who later joined Black Lives Matter protests. Which seems incriminating, but groups that start competing for foundation money tend to get less political over time. Otherwise he mostly funds civil society stuff. The Russian conspiracies about him at least make sense, as he probably does dislike Russia.

https://www.opensocietyfoundations.org/about
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Society_Foundations

All this stuff is boring compared to the 60s, when Chicago gangs were getting grant money from the Ford Foundation for bail funds and socialists were infiltrating welfare programs.

ok i see the connection, thanks

in general people who are bored and on the internet have a tendency to pretend we're in the 60s again. or the 30s

The Saurus
Dec 3, 2006

by Smythe

Tubesock posted:

A vote of protest against Hillary puts a fascist in power and could lead to a 1933 Germany-like situation in the USA.
This is the most serious and dangerous election in the last 150 years in this country, and wishful thinking, even well-intentioned, is what children who aren't able to judge consequences do, not what adults do who are fighting for the lives of their brothers and sisters.
Divide up the Democratic vote and you will see:
War with China
Deportations of Muslims and Mexicans
Student loan debtors in prison
African-American Rights going back to 1963
Planned Parenthood shut down
PP employees imprisoned or executed
War with Mexico
Increase in the number of people in prison
Possible surrender of more of your Civil and Human Rights, not to mention your Constitutional Rights.
This is not the time to be loving around with this sort of simplistic and non-strategic thinking.
I don't want to go to prison and watch my wife executed because you're too immature to make a rational voting choice.

source your quotes

Joementum
May 23, 2004

jesus christ

StevePerry
Sep 5, 2003

don't stop believin

Louisgod posted:

Correct me if this is wrong, but I think he acknowledged that it helps with pain management and cancer patients and feels that's a good thing. It's stupid he wants to leave it up to states though.
Hmm I might've missed that, but like anything else he says he could pivot 180 degrees tomorrow morning and that would be fine with everyone.

paranoid randroid
Mar 4, 2007
leaving legalization up to the states is basically Hillary Clintons position and everyone rightly drags her for it. but of course the people with toxic blood irony levels will trip over themselves to pretend that objective reality doesnt exist and Donald was blinking "smoke weed erryday" in morse code while saying that.

paranoid randroid
Mar 4, 2007
i mean this is somehow a forum where "planned parenthood does a lot of good work but i will defund it" is somehow a leftward pivot instead of soft-peddling the usual value voters coalition line of bullshit, so again i think maybe this election is making us all incredibly loving stupid

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

paranoid randroid posted:

i mean this is somehow a forum where "planned parenthood does a lot of good work but i will defund it" is somehow a leftward pivot instead of soft-peddling the usual value voters coalition line of bullshit, so again i think maybe this election is making us all incredibly loving stupid

The culture is permanently debased, and nobody knows how to deal with it except all the people who have no shame.

Zelder
Jan 4, 2012

i'm still waiting for the part where trump comes at hillary from the left. that will surely, definitely happen, and also get him 25% of the black vote

Joementum
May 23, 2004

jesus christ
Cruz going for the Trump vote in AZ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfBwqGB98u8

paranoid randroid
Mar 4, 2007
im sure the dude who includes "people are gonna respect police again" as part of his stump speech is going to have insanely nuanced and productive policy solutions for the countrys racial issues

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

paranoid randroid posted:

im sure the dude who includes "people are gonna respect police again" as part of his stump speech is going to have insanely nuanced and productive policy solutions for the countrys racial issues

They are very productive if your preference is white supremacy, hth.

unlimited shrimp
Aug 30, 2008

Fiction posted:

BLM is actively fighting the candidate who would be disastrous to their rights as American citizens and human beings
When did they start actively fighting Hillary?

rakovsky maybe
Nov 4, 2008

Zelder posted:

i'm still waiting for the part where trump comes at hillary from the left. that will surely, definitely happen, and also get him 25% of the black vote

Blacks are inherently conservative, you can see that in their disdain for Sanders' socialist economics. They just vote democratic due to racism.

CubsWoo
Aug 17, 2005

Where the big boys RAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRGH FUCK YOU
https://twitter.com/DemsRRealRacist/status/710538011591766017

The Snark
May 19, 2008

by Cowcaster

the trump tutelage posted:

When did they start actively fighting Hillary?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxnyKSDOTKI&feature=youtu.be&t=37s

Sometime around here perhaps.

Fiction
Apr 28, 2011

the trump tutelage posted:

When did they start actively fighting Hillary?

They have been for quite a while

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The Saurus
Dec 3, 2006

by Smythe

Zelder posted:

i'm still waiting for the part where trump comes at hillary from the left. that will surely, definitely happen, and also get him 25% of the black vote

I'm pretty sure he's going to hammer her on trade after Bernie Sanders won Michigan doing that.

He can also attack her from the right with his commitment to the 2nd amendment. She's going to be fending off blows from every which way.

The Liberal-Left and Conservative-Right marrying social and economic issues 100% has always been a curious unique feature of American politics, we're going to finally start seeing a decoupling.

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