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Idle pondering: It would be nice if the biter evolution was real evolution akin to what happens in Warning Forever, wherein the enemies adapt to the ways you beat them.
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SinineSiil posted:I understand how first one works but could someone explain how second one works? How are items seemingly moving diagonally? The blocked lane is on the underground "input" side. The left lane is going through.
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Mar 18, 2016 18:12
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On the subject of cars (and tanks, I guess) has anyone tried using them as giant mobile chests by putting one on a belt? I have no idea how that would work but it sounds fun to try.
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Mar 18, 2016 18:12
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SinineSiil posted:I understand how first one works but could someone explain how second one works? How are items seemingly moving diagonally? In the bottom example, the items are actually traveling on the underground belts, because they're being peeled off at the entrances.
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Mar 18, 2016 18:12
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SinineSiil posted:I understand how first one works but could someone explain how second one works? How are items seemingly moving diagonally? If you mean what I think you mean by moving diagonally, it's not. It's doing this:  , not this: 
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Mar 18, 2016 18:17
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LordSaturn posted:In the bottom example, the items are actually traveling on the underground belts, because they're being peeled off at the entrances. Oh, oh I get it. For some reason I thought the entrances and exits blocked belt traffic the same way. Toast Museum posted:If you mean what I think you mean by moving diagonally, it's not.
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Mar 18, 2016 18:22
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Ratzap posted:And this ladies and gents is what happens when you play with goons. Presented without further comment: Wormschwitz apparantly you then broke it somehow on one of the days I was busy. RIP wormshwitz. Now I have to build an improved one somehow.
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Mar 18, 2016 18:44
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How many green circuit factories do you generally have in a game? I can't seem to make enough of them. Although I am working on building solar panels and that's eating up tons of them.
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Mar 18, 2016 19:09
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Travic posted:How many green circuit factories do you generally have in a game? I can't seem to make enough of them. Although I am working on building solar panels and that's eating up tons of them. I seek to make 1 of every science pack per second in most of my games. So whatever the clock timer at the top is, that's how many factories I build. If memory serves me red is 4, green is 5, and blue is 12.
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Mar 18, 2016 19:31
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I'm moving towards slightly more self-contained designs for factory modules, so my current green science factory will be making all the gears and circuits for belts and inserters in-house. That way I just feed, for example, one iron and one copper line off the main bus into the factory module, and if I need more production I just clonestamp the whole thing next door to double the green science output. Probably overall I usually end up with somewhere around 6-10 "sets" of 5 assemblers for making green circuits (3 wire, 2 circuit) and eventually upgrade most of them to T3 assemblers with speed modules. I usually put somewhere around 4 of them together just to feed module production (including the red/blue circuits part of it), one or two to feed red circuits for blue science, one for green science, one for general use, and one for inserters/splitters/mines/assembler production.
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Mar 18, 2016 19:44
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I love this thread when it's active, seeing everyones' different ideas and contraptions to tackle obstacles, it's amazing how differently everyone figures it out. I've finally gotten my logistics network up and running and am planning on having around 250 logistic robots. It's such a good feeling, most of the work takes care of itself now and I have bots shuttling batteries and plastic from the oil part of my factory to the automation part and it's given me time to expand hugely and overproduce electricity. Aww yea
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Mar 18, 2016 19:58
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A lot of really pretty factories and cool expert setups getting posted, so I thought I'd just leave this here as an example that you, too, can launch a rocket with the conveyor belt vomit method.
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Mar 18, 2016 20:25
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What's the advantage of putting concrete everywhere? Is it just the improved player movement speed?
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Mar 18, 2016 20:36
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WhiteHowler posted:What's the advantage of putting concrete everywhere? Is it just the improved player movement speed? Paving the world. Also, concrete doesn't absorb pollution, so you piss off the natives even more.
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Mar 18, 2016 20:52
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I see a map and i want to paint it red.
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Mar 18, 2016 20:54
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Do we happen to know when the next version with the better track laying is coming in?
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Mar 18, 2016 21:22
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Kinetica posted:Do we happen to know when the next version with the better track laying is coming in? Really can't wait for that and the spider mech vehicle. Track laying right now is an absolute chore. Concrete is so easy to make, I just layer it everywhere. Better vehicle speed and handling, and the exoskeleton feet thing that give you 30% movement speed stack with concrete and you run so fast around your base. I also use concrete / brick combo to outline the main paths in my base so I'm not constantly driving through obstacles and figuring out a path on the go.
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Mar 18, 2016 21:26
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Loopoo posted:Really can't wait for that and the spider mech vehicle. Track laying right now is an absolute chore. FARL, while not perfect, makes track laying not that bad for long distances. EDIT to avoid doublepost: I'm looking to start a new map, after just going through my first RSO run. Definitely going peaceful this time around, as biters weren't enough of a "fun" addition to the game and simply got in my way. Being able to just roll through the early ones until unlocking lasers made it sort of pointless. Any suggestions on other quality of life mods? I was considering mixing in infinite resources with RSO to make it so my remote bases actually had a reason to exist. I'll also potentially open this one up to the internet cause I'm getting bored playing solo. CanOfMDAmp fucked around with this message at 21:41 on Mar 18, 2016 |
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Mar 18, 2016 21:32
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Concrete, because what else are 400 construction bots going to do because it sure as hell wasn't blue printing organized manufacturing lines. 6x exoskeletons on top of concrete was actually more of a problem than a help, I couldn't really input movement commands short enough to nudge myself off conveyor belts when I wanted to stand still somewhere specific. Moving through the base was a lot like plinko.
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Mar 18, 2016 21:35
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Evilreaver posted:How to get the most oil from your wells: These are good advice. quote:
These are not. 1: You want to have ample tank space for petroleum products, because any time you are not extracting crude oil is crude oil lost forever. That 0.1 over time adds up way more than you might expect. 2: A single electric pump will not properly pressurize a full pipe of liquid. Since you want to push your oil into your storage depot as fast as possible, it takes multiple pumps, and they need to be parallel rather than sequential. The best way to do it is pump stations like the following examples: :  Each pump can move 30 units/second, and the max capacity of a pipe is 150 u/s. If you want to keep it at 150 the whole way, you have to put the stations rather close together (there's only pressure loss on actual pipe items, so all the tiles underground in a pipe are 'free'), so that makes it a little better. zedprime posted:Concrete, because what else are 400 construction bots going to do because it sure as hell wasn't blue printing organized manufacturing lines. That's why you have more than one suit and swap between them depending on what you need.
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Mar 18, 2016 23:05
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CanOfMDAmp posted:FARL, while not perfect, makes track laying not that bad for long distances. Surely infinite resources would simply make RSO and remote bases pointless if the stuff in your starting area never depleted? Or you mean the mod which makes resources behave like oil and always give a minimum amount? That one would make more sense but even then, your throughput falls off and you still have to find new patches. You'd have to fiddle with the settings to make it give enough to bother having your trains stop there.
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Mar 18, 2016 23:08
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SinineSiil posted:I understand how first one works but could someone explain how second one works? How are items seemingly moving diagonally? They're not. One lane is moving down and then right.
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Mar 19, 2016 01:38
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If you have already played a few games, go for bob's mod. I have been playing it with RSO, and it's definitely making the game more fun. Basically the vanilla "build the whole rocket" is the equivalent of "getting advanced circuits" of bob's mod. You are gonna need huge bases, but it's definitely rewarding in terms of satisfaction.
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I'm really getting shafted when it comes to oil. My metal production is brilliant, the best it's ever been, and I'm churning out so many electric circuits, I've got a huge surplus. However, my oil wells dry up so loving quickly. I keep them running, but it's becoming really tedious laying down new tracks and building brand new pumpjack outposts, especially when the site has 2 or 3 oil wells (let's not even begin to describe how big a pain in the rear end it is setting up camp in the middle of biter-infested territory, or the logistical nightmare of keeping turrets armed and laser turrets powered). Am I doing something wrong? Plastic production can't keep up with demand, nor can battery production. There must be a better way to doing this than just rinse / repeat building pumpjack outposts? It involves way too much effort: 1) clearing out the surrounding area of biter nests 2) laying down miles and miles of track 3) keeping turrets operational etc etc
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Mar 19, 2016 05:13
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Personally, after my first game I always set all the oil settings to max while keeping the others at normal. Oil seems to just deplete in a fraction of the time given equal settings, although given I haven't had a well run out since I think next time I'll set them down a notch, then maybe I'll be expanding for both metal and oil equally.
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Mar 19, 2016 05:49
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So i just beat the first campaign, but is there a way i can just keep playing on a level after objectives are complete? Its bewildering to not have that option for this kind of game.
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Mar 19, 2016 09:48
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peepsalot posted:So i just beat the first campaign, but is there a way i can just keep playing on a level after objectives are complete? Its bewildering to not have that option for this kind of game. Kinda. You can fake out the engine by scripting in a victory condition that includes the "continue" option early in the level, and later when the map script tries to also finish the level, it will get ignored. code:
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peepsalot posted:So i just beat the first campaign, but is there a way i can just keep playing on a level after objectives are complete? Its bewildering to not have that option for this kind of game. The sandbox/freeplay missions can be Just One More Turn'd.
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I put a mod pack together to play RSO as a train game. One of the things I picked was a new mod I'd not tried yet K&L Inserters It's straight up fantastic, you can bin all the other inserter mods - all they do is add clutter. These ones work like this, you drop one on the ground and a little GUI pops up. You select where the arm should be to pick up from anywhere in the 8 grid boxes around it, then pick where it puts down with an optional tick box to insert near side. All the variants and none of the tabs/mess, it's my new favourite mod.
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Ratzap posted:I put a mod pack together to play RSO as a train game. One of the things I picked was a new mod I'd not tried yet My problem with these mods isn't that they complicate things too much, but they complicate things the wrong way, by making there be even more obvious solutions to logistics puzzles, through more options. I've been playing a trains-only logistics game, which means that I have to plan everything around that limitation and increases the puzzle-solving. Or at least did for a while. What I want now is like... cargo boats and planes and runways, so that you can have an island hopping factory.
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I dunno, that seems less like a mod to me, and more like a cheat.
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ikanreed posted:My problem with these mods isn't that they complicate things too much, but they complicate things the wrong way, by making there be even more obvious solutions to logistics puzzles, through more options. God, I've wanted big steam tanker ships for the longest time, but I never even thought of how amazing planes would be. Depending on the size of the plane (I'm guessing it'd be late-game tech, so to make it easier to get into, you could start off with small Cessna type plane, which is relatively simple to research but has limited cargo space, compared to high-tier research cargo planes with huge cargo spaces), they'd need a certain size of cement runway. Small planes could make do with small runways, but your huge cargo planes would need big big big runways. Imagine how fun it'd be designing an airport that ships copper, iron and coal from really far away outposts to your main base. I'd love flying in general, it'd make scouting out new places to build a base much more fun. Driving is tedious because you've got so many biter nests to avoid. Imagine how great it'd be packing up a huge Hercules-type plane with all your base-building necessities and setting out somewhere to build up. I'm about to hop ingame and redesign my train system from the ground up. It's getting to the point where I need more throughput and my original track system just isn't cutting it. My main station can only handle 3 trains and only offloads from one side. I'm going to boost this so each station can handle multiple trains and load / offload from each side. Edit: thinking of planes, actually, a VTOL would probably fit the atmosphere of the game than just regular cargo planes. Means you could land without a runway but it takes longer to land, compared to landing on a built runway (which means automated plane delivery would be faster with runways, but for scouting and setting up new bases, you'd land slower but have the ability to land in untamed areas). Qubee fucked around with this message at 19:56 on Mar 19, 2016 |
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VTOL would be higher-tech, along with (attack) helicopters. Finally a use for all those rockets!
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Mar 19, 2016 20:01
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Starting up a new game on default settings with a friend, we spawned in a desert already surrounded by biters. Before we could even research Military 1, the pollution from our burner mining drills reached them and killed us. Anybody had any good luck in desert spawns?
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Mar 19, 2016 20:40
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Mithaldu posted:I dunno, that seems less like a mod to me, and more like a cheat. Perspective I reckon. I think if I was building a factory I'd adjust the arms of the robots to fit the task if necessary. Standard parts fit the bill the vast majority of the time but if I can use one of those and avoid ripping a section back out then it's a win. The mod pack we're playing MP with has so many drat inserters it's next to impossible to find the 'normal' ones, let alone figure out which one does what and how fast. If I'm going to use an inserter mod, K&L is the one I'll use - it's simple and get the job done perfectly.
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My 2nd game was in a desert and I did fine, but I think I increased the size of the starter zone so they probably spawned farther away I guess, I don't remember for sure. This is also the game where like an hour or two after I started they expanded right next to my base with a big worm I couldn't kill until I made a tank
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Loren1350 posted:Kinda. Cool I had a save from just before I made the plane so I loaded that and the command worked. I had just researched laser turrets and increased power production. Went around the map with a pocket full of laser turrets and big power poles and cleared out a bunch of nests for fun. The laser turret works great against worms (and biters of course). Btw is there a setting or mod that shows ranges during placement? peepsalot fucked around with this message at 21:50 on Mar 19, 2016 |
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Mar 19, 2016 21:42
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peepsalot posted:Btw is there a setting or mod that shows ranges during placement? I saw this mod earlier, been browsing the mod forum a bunch today and noticed it, it requires you to build a special item to use on the turret though so I didn't bother and I don't particularly care about the precise range of the default turrets anyway, but it could be nice if you had a mod with some wierd ones maybe https://forums.factorio.com/viewtopic.php?f=92&t=14783
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Logistic + Construction bots are a lifesaver. Completely redesigning my rail system, and I just drive along placing track blueprints down and the 3 personal roboports sort it all out for me: powerlines, spotlights and signals all included! My main station in the center of my base was far too little to handle the sheer volume of stuff coming in, so I'm rebuilding that. It's a pain in the rear end cause the coal + copper chests are still full, so I gotta empty them out somewhere so I can dismantle them and rebuild the whole section. It's quite annoying. Other than that, I gotta say, once you have an army of robots, it really does make enjoyment skyrocket. It gives you the freedom to just build en masse, and I've had a blast designing hugely complicated stuff. This station will be so satisfying when it's complete.
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