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Hollismason
Jun 30, 2007
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How the hell can you not love Foggy?

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RubberLuffy
Mar 31, 2011
Foggy has had some great scenes in this season.

CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK
Sep 11, 2001



Foggy is a little bitch :colbert:

It really didn't help that his first scene of the season was him whining about stupid poo poo.

B..but MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATT forget about helping people what about me :qq:

mikeraskol
May 3, 2006

Oh yeah. I was killing you.

CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:

Foggy is a little bitch :colbert:

It really didn't help that his first scene of the season was him whining about stupid poo poo.

B..but MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATT forget about helping people what about me :qq:

:stare:

RubberLuffy
Mar 31, 2011
Halfway through 2x11, I love that every episode so far has had at least 1 scene that just makes me go "FUCKKKK". Most involving Big Papa Pun.

Hollismason
Jun 30, 2007
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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:

Foggy is a little bitch :colbert:

It really didn't help that his first scene of the season was him whining about stupid poo poo.

B..but MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATT forget about helping people what about me :qq:

You know what I think are pieces of poo poo. Puppies.

Aphrodite
Jun 27, 2006

Good Soldier Svejk posted:

So just... not really spoilers but general discussion. How do folks like Daredevil and The Punisher stack up against legitimate super powered people like Jessica Jones or Luke Cage? It seems like they're on a whole separate level in terms of ability.
I get that they're supposed to be distinct stories and all but if Luke Cage had half a mind to it seems like he could snap them both in half.

Also Jon Bernthal is turning in a solid performance this season but it seems like he's going to be stuck as "damaged survior-man" if he doesn't start branching out.

Jessica Jones can't fight and doesn't have enhanced durability, so Daredevil could probably beat her quite thoroughly. Punisher too, since he'd just shoot her.

The TV ones can't do much to Luke. Comics Punisher regularly has like rocket launchers and stuff though. I suppose they could use the shotgun concussion trick too.

net cafe scandal
Mar 18, 2011

It's pretty generous to call Jessica Jones a film noir

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

Season 2, Episode 2 - Gotta love the dude who thought it was a good idea to offer child porn to the hulking, terrifying slab of muscle who just took his shotgun and a police scanner.

mikeraskol
May 3, 2006

Oh yeah. I was killing you.
Jessica Jones did seem to be stronger than Luke based on their fights, the trade-off being the impenetrable skin.

Kegslayer
Jul 23, 2007
I'm not sure how you can hate Foggy given that he just gets constantly poo poo on by Matt.

BSam
Nov 24, 2012

Alright I'm done. that was amazing.

ShineDog
May 21, 2007
It is inevitable!
Jessica is 100% a super tough person. She's not luke indestructible but she goes through multiple walls and takes hits that would turn anyone else into paste.

SamuraiFoochs
Jan 16, 2007




Grimey Drawer
I like literally every character on this show. It's remarkable.

I really don't like Elektra as much as most of you guys seem to though. IMO she is the weakest character by a wide, wide margin. This isn't too big of a knock though because I can say without hyperbole I think this is some of the best drat TV I've seen in a LONG loving time. Also with regards to the Matt/Elektra relationship, I'm sorry, but it just reads really forced to me with them romantically. Like, I get it, but I think because so much of it was in medias res and we get so much of it in a hodgepodge, it feels sorta half-baked to me. Am I the only one who feels that way?

Also is the Punisher series confirmed? Because I loving NEED it. Like, yesterday.

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

I love the potoo,
and the potoo loves you.
2x04, and general Punisher thoughts.
Wow. That sums up my thoughts on the action and violence. And drat I was not expecting to tear up at a monologue from the Punisher of all people. I've worried before about how Punisher might mesh with the Defenders and be persuaded to work with them, Daredevil especially. Punisher and Jessica seem like they might get along just fine, ditto Punisher and Luke, but prettyboy worried me. Not anymore. I was not expecting that glimpse of humanity and pain in Frank Castle. Probably for the best that Frank doesn't torture and hideously mutilate and destroy people like he does in the video game. Might be hard to watch Punisher feed people into a wood chipper, hold their head underwater in a piranha tank, shove them into a crematory's incinerator, and worse, and then try to show them as a distraught, tormented human being.

Hollismason
Jun 30, 2007
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Overall is it me or is this season just incredibly more violent than the first one.

Aphrodite
Jun 27, 2006

I wouldn't say more violent, but certainly bloodier.

SamuraiFoochs
Jan 16, 2007




Grimey Drawer

Aphrodite posted:

I wouldn't say more violent, but certainly bloodier.

I feel like the first season was more brutal/visceral, but this one was more gory. Does that make any sense whatsoever? Maybe it's more that the scenes of Matt getting patched up in S1 were :stonk: as gently caress for me.

Mameluke
Aug 2, 2013

by Fluffdaddy
I just spent all day watching this. I think it's on par with Jessica Jones and the first season, and far better than early reviews made it out to be. The Punisher was fantastic; 2x11 I think he and Karen would make a much better couple than her and Matt. Karen and Foggy were also great this year; it was very satisfying to compare their mundane, yet incredibly loyal and compassionate behaviors to Matt's more conventional heroics.

SamuraiFoochs posted:

I really don't like Elektra as much as most of you guys seem to though. IMO she is the weakest character by a wide, wide margin. This isn't too big of a knock though because I can say without hyperbole I think this is some of the best drat TV I've seen in a LONG loving time. Also with regards to the Matt/Elektra relationship, I'm sorry, but it just reads really forced to me with them romantically. Like, I get it, but I think because so much of it was in medias res and we get so much of it in a hodgepodge, it feels sorta half-baked to me. Am I the only one who feels that way?

I agree 100% with this. I hated her privileged, gleeful sociopathy; the first season also featured a powerful murderer who challenged Matt's ethics, but his name was Wilson Fisk and Matt rightfully opposed him. I also consider the ninja poo poo to be Daredevil's worst aspect, so I was a little biased against her anyways.

Skippy McPants
Mar 19, 2009

mikeraskol posted:

Jessica Jones did seem to be stronger than Luke based on their fights, the trade-off being the impenetrable skin.

The impression I've gotten from what we've seen of the Defender's cast so far is that they all fill a slightly different niche, i.e.

Luke - most durable
Jess - strongest
Matt - most skilled

Mr. Meagles
Apr 30, 2004

Out here, everything hurts


Bernthal is KILLING it, goddamn. Just a few nitpicky things though. He needs to say the following lines, as much as possible:
  • "Punishment is my business, and business is good."
  • "You can't escape punishment, you criminal."
  • "*looks at watch* It's punishment time..."
  • Whenever Punisher's not on screen, all the other characters should be asking "Where's the Punisher"?
  • Also he needs to drive this in the show:


Other than those things, he's perfect.

Kegslayer
Jul 23, 2007
Episode 8 was crazy

It was like suddenly Ninjas! Stick! Info dump on the Hand/Elektra


Kiiiiiiiiiingpin!

Hollismason
Jun 30, 2007
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Skippy McPants posted:

The impression I've gotten from what we've seen of the Defender's cast so far is that they all fill a slightly different niche, i.e.

Luke - most durable
Jess - strongest
Matt - most skilled

Matts not more skilled than Iron Fist or probably they may be closely matched sort of if they go by the comics Iron Fist killed a dragon with his bare hands.

Mars4523
Feb 17, 2014

Mameluke posted:

I just spent all day watching this. I think it's on par with Jessica Jones and the first season, and far better than early reviews made it out to be. The Punisher was fantastic; 2x11 I think he and Karen would make a much better couple than her and Matt. Karen and Foggy were also great this year; it was very satisfying to compare their mundane, yet incredibly loyal and compassionate behaviors to Matt's more conventional heroics.


I agree 100% with this. I hated her privileged, gleeful sociopathy; the first season also featured a powerful murderer who challenged Matt's ethics, but his name was Wilson Fisk and Matt rightfully opposed him. I also consider the ninja poo poo to be Daredevil's worst aspect, so I was a little biased against her anyways.
I thought Elektra's Manic Murder Dream Girl act was largely just that. She drops the act after ep 8.

Kheldarn
Feb 17, 2011



That was an amazing ride!

S2E13
It was good, got better when Elektra showed up, but, as always, Stick stole the stpotlight!

And hell, I even enjoyed Punisher.



X-O posted:

Anyone that doesn't like Foggy is a horrible human being.

That pretty much sums up CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK, yes.

Aphrodite
Jun 27, 2006

Hollismason posted:

Matts not more skilled than Iron Fist or probably they may be closely matched sort of if they go by the comics Iron Fist killed a dragon with his bare hands.

Luke's the muscle, Danny's the looks, Matt's the brains and Jessica's the wildcard.

BitBasher
Jun 6, 2004

You've got to know the rules before you can break 'em. Otherwise, it's no fun.


X-O posted:

Jesus Christ this Punisher is loving terrifying.

In any media if this is not true then someone's loving up the character. He should be completely terrifying. That got it right in this series, he is horrific.

Skippy McPants
Mar 19, 2009

Hollismason posted:

Matts not more skilled than Iron Fist or probably they may be closely matched sort of if they go by the comics Iron Fist killed a dragon with his bare hands.

In that case, I guess Matt can be the Most Leader, which does make sense. We haven't seen how Iron Fist's character will shake out, but both Luke and Jessica are much more reluctant to do the hero thing than Matt.

Lycus
Aug 5, 2008

Half the posters in this forum have been made up. This website is a goddamn ghost town.

Aphrodite posted:

Luke's the muscle, Danny's the looks, Matt's the brains and Jessica's the wildcard.

This is the correct one.

SamuraiFoochs
Jan 16, 2007




Grimey Drawer

Mars4523 posted:

I thought Elektra's Manic Murder Dream Girl act was largely just that. She drops the act after ep 8.

Nah, I still really loving disliked her compared to the others, even at peak pathos. And I just finished marathoning the entire thing.

Hollismason
Jun 30, 2007
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I thought they did a great job of balancing terrifying with sympathetic in regards to the Punisher.

CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK
Sep 11, 2001



I just realized that Datak motherfucking Tarr was new Irish crime boss.

The casting for this show is great.

edit: vvv Yea he really did half rear end that considering how important it was.

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double negative
Jul 7, 2003


s2e12 reveal Am I not fully understanding Stick's motivations for preserving young Elektra's life? He goes so far as to kill one of his Chaste peers, then eventually decides he needs to kill her (and in a really half-assed way, at that) after all that time, despite knowing her true nature the whole time. Was it just sentimentality, recognizing that he'd eventually have to take her life at some point?

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

S02E03 - even though it felt like a bit of a rehash, the stairwell fight was still very impressively done. The dialogue on the rooftop was by far the best part of that episode though.

Mars4523
Feb 17, 2014

SamuraiFoochs posted:

Nah, I still really loving disliked her compared to the others, even at peak pathos.
Eh, I liked her a lot. Elodie Yung killed it.

Different strokes.

Mameluke
Aug 2, 2013

by Fluffdaddy

Mars4523 posted:

I thought Elektra's Manic Murder Dream Girl act was largely just that. She drops the act after ep 8.

That's true, but considering how much it was also played up in the (post episode 5, I forget which) flashbacks of her relationship with Matt, breaking into someone's home and smashing all their stuff, then setting up an incredible moral quandary for Matt for seemingly no other reason than kicks, I thought the change in her writing was inconsistent. She also continues to play up the "actually you love mayhem and are just like me" line, which I thought had been dealt with better in the first season and the Punisher plot. But, again, I find all the ninjas and Stick and Nobu painfully incongruous with everything I like about the show.

And speaking of, *wow* at the Punisher, again. Jon Bernthal's performance reminds me a lot of Cuba Gooding, Jr. on American Crime Story, in that both play characters who are objectively horrid people, but whose behavior seems to come from such an obviously damaged and vulnerable place that you can't help but empathize with them.

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Tacky-Ass Rococco
Sep 7, 2010

by R. Guyovich
Watching the pre-credits for the first episode, and: how does Daredevil get around? He caught up with like four guys on the run and beat them senseless separately. Even a single neighborhood seems like a lot to cover on foot without a devilbike or something.

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth

double negative posted:

s2e12 reveal Am I not fully understanding Stick's motivations for preserving young Elektra's life? He goes so far as to kill one of his Chaste peers, then eventually decides he needs to kill her (and in a really half-assed way, at that) after all that time, despite knowing her true nature the whole time. Was it just sentimentality, recognizing that he'd eventually have to take her life at some point?

Yea, sentimentality. His 'was it worth it, loving her' thing in the next episode was to himself as much as to Matt. He was 'weak' and got attached to her despite being all mr 'no connections ever'.

Also agreeing that Bernthal was loving fantastic. I expected him to be ok but he just knocked the role out of the park. The Cuba Gooding Jr comparison is dead on, he's playing the objectively bad guy in these interactions, but he's able to just play such a fundamentally broken human being it's like 'well poo poo ok I can see how that happened in your hosed up mind'.

BrianWilly
Apr 24, 2007

There is no homosexual terrorist Johnny Silverhand

double negative posted:

s2e12 reveal Am I not fully understanding Stick's motivations for preserving young Elektra's life? He goes so far as to kill one of his Chaste peers, then eventually decides he needs to kill her (and in a really half-assed way, at that) after all that time, despite knowing her true nature the whole time. Was it just sentimentality, recognizing that he'd eventually have to take her life at some point?
According to Stick, he was trying to tame Elektra, which really just means that he was trying to control her. She was useful as long as she followed his orders like a good obedient soldier, but when she told him that she wanted to follow Matt's way instead of Stick's, he realized that he needed to kill her since sooner or later the Hand would get to her.

Remember that Stick is not a "good guy." His way is not merciful. When he says that tried to stop Elektra from being the Black Sky, it's a matter of politics and not ethics; it just means that Stick didn't want her on the Hand's side, and not that he doesn't want her being violent and ruthless. He definitely wants her to be a murderer. She's no use to him otherwise.

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Hollismason
Jun 30, 2007
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Almost finished but they really gave Frank Castle a amazing potrayal as a brutally sadistic just broken man. Best part of the show really.

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