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Jimbozig
Sep 30, 2003

I like sharing and ice cream and animals.

Doctor Butts posted:

I used to think dates weren't important but then I realized that dates help immensely when trying to build a chronology of events to remember what happened in the past, and why. Causes and effects are important.

Exactly this. It's not important to know when precisely the French revolution occurred, but it is certainly relevant to know that it happened shortly after the American revolution to put it in context.

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gohmak
Feb 12, 2004
cookies need love

gently caress out of here. The Purple Tape hands down.

Kro-Bar
Jul 24, 2004
USPOL May
WaPo has a great story about Trump using a pseudonym to act as his own spokesman. Fantastic.

quote:

In the 1980s, when reporters called the Trump Organization to request an interview with the boss, they were sometimes referred to a spokesman, instead. That a busy and image-conscious executive such as Donald Trump would place a buffer between himself and the media was hardly unusual, but there was a twist: The spokesman, John Barron, was actually Trump, hiding behind a fake name.


quote:

Remarkably, Trump kept up the charade for a full decade, as reporters unwittingly quoted Barron as if he were a real person. In a LexisNexis search, the first mention of the name appears on June 6, 1980, in a New York Times report about Trump’s controversial decision to destroy two Art Deco sculptures he had conditionally promised to the Metropolitan Museum of Art. In that instance, Trump used the alias to stall for three days before finally giving an interview under his own name; when he did, he told the Times that he had been out of town and unavailable (!).

quote:

Trump might have gotten away with his ruse even longer if not for a lawsuit in which he testified, under oath in 1990, that “I believe on occasion I used that name.”

The suit dealt with Trump’s employment of undocumented migrant workers from Poland on his Trump Tower project — a case that has attracted renewed attention in the 2016 presidential campaign, particularly after Marco Rubio raised it during a debate in February. A lawyer who had represented the workers in their effort years earlier to recover back pay testified in the case that a man who identified himself as John Barron had called one day in 1980 and threatened a lawsuit if the workers didn't stop trying to collect additional wages.

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug
Clinton and Trump courting the gently caress out of Israeli.

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

spero che tu stia bene

Jimbozig posted:

Exactly this. It's not important to know when precisely the French revolution occurred, but it is certainly relevant to know that it happened shortly after the American revolution to put it in context.

Also it's good to note the revolutions/attempted revolutions popping up across Europe in the generation or two after the Napoleonic wars in context of industrialization and post-enlightenment thought.

ComradeCosmobot
Dec 4, 2004

USPOL July
Scalia's death continues to pay dividends: Colorado pot survives to smoke another day.

foobardog
Apr 19, 2007

There, now I can tell when you're posting.

-- A friend :)
Am I wrong to be excited for the Five-way tonight on CNN? Is there a TVIV thread yet? :ohdear:

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

https://twitter.com/chucklindell/status/711965520283631616

:geno:

Kro-Bar
Jul 24, 2004
USPOL May

ComradeCosmobot posted:

Scalia's death continues to pay dividends: Colorado pot survives to smoke another day.

Although that was a 6-2 vote so even Scalia couldn't have tipped the scales enough to grant cert.

Eggplant Squire
Aug 14, 2003


It's the principle.

white sauce
Apr 29, 2012

by R. Guyovich
I'm glad that the states bordering CO continue to flail against legal pot.

Xae
Jan 19, 2005

Captain Oblivious posted:

His history professor is correct and it's a point just about every history professor will reiterate: Memorizing years and dates is tremendously unimportant. What is important is understanding the relativity of events and how they influence each other. Specific dates aren't necessary for that. Nice, but not important to know off the top of your head.

The dates are important to provide scale. Without dates "The modern civil rights movement" is a chapter in a history book. With dates it becomes a multi decade struggle from Brown v Board in 1954 to the CRA of 1974 and continuing on to today.

Also without dates you can't have context. If you don't know when something happened you can't see movement overtime or see other events that impacted it.

Rote memorization of dates is bad, but the current tenancy to ignore them isn't much better.

Kro-Bar
Jul 24, 2004
USPOL May

Tight Booty Shorts posted:

I'm glad that the states bordering CO continue to flail against legal pot.

Sorry from Oklahoma. Our budget crisis is so bad some school districts are going to 4-days next semester but goddamn it we'll fight to the end to stop a nearby state from doing something we don't like!

Oh, we're also going to remove the separation of church and state clause from our Constitution. Priorities. :patriot:

colonel_korn
May 16, 2003


haha :pwn:

Grand Theft Autobot
Feb 28, 2008

I'm something of a fucking idiot myself
lol "affordable college" is not at risk, it is long gone.

showbiz_liz
Jun 2, 2008

A bunch of my friends are bemoaning this post as 'stooping to Trump's level,' to which I say, BRING ON THE STOOPING. The idea that remaining ~above it all~ is the best way to win elections is insane to me.

woke wedding drone
Jun 1, 2003

by exmarx
Fun Shoe
Yeah it seems like all the stuff she names as "in the balance" have in fact fallen off the balance.

showbiz_liz posted:

A bunch of my friends are bemoaning this post as 'stooping to Trump's level,' to which I say, BRING ON THE STOOPING. The idea that remaining ~above it all~ is the best way to win elections is insane to me.

Does a calm explanation of Trump's character flaws really seem like it's "on Trump's level" to them? Liberal cowardice is sad.

Big Hubris
Mar 8, 2011


speech is starting linking the time stream
http://time.com/4265796/watch-live-stream-online-president-obama-travels-in-cuba/

ComradeCosmobot
Dec 4, 2004

USPOL July

Kro-Bar posted:

Although that was a 6-2 vote so even Scalia couldn't have tipped the scales enough to grant cert.

Probably not, but it's also not inconceivable that Scalia might have convinced one of the other justices to at least hear the case.

Blue Footed Booby
Oct 4, 2006

got those happy feet

fade5 posted:

This is generally a good point, and I agree with it, but holy hell it's pretty much impossible to understand the Syrian Civil War even if you follow it. I know more than I ever wanted to know about Syria/Iraq/the Kurds/the Middle East and I can still barely follow what's going on in that clusterfuck of a war.
...

Haha, yeah, as I was typing that I thought "maybe I should choose a different example."

My dad texted me a while back asking if anything new had developed in Syria, and I texted back that picture of a (n Iranian provided?) T-62 fighting alongside an export model Abrams. He replied with a photo of his hand holding a glass of whiskey held in front of a TV playing Big Trouble in Little China.

I feel like there's a powerful metaphor in here for life in the post cold war, mass media age, though that might just be a headache coming on.

ReidRansom
Oct 25, 2004


foobardog posted:

Am I wrong to be excited for the Five-way tonight on CNN? Is there a TVIV thread yet? :ohdear:

Eh, I'd be excited if it were all of them on stage with each other, but 5 interviews isn't super exciting imo.

Elephant Ambush
Nov 13, 2012

...We sholde spenden more time together. What sayest thou?
Nap Ghost

showbiz_liz posted:

A bunch of my friends are bemoaning this post as 'stooping to Trump's level,' to which I say, BRING ON THE STOOPING. The idea that remaining ~above it all~ is the best way to win elections is insane to me.

Racing to the bottom is dumb and ineffectual. Just like your posts.

foobardog
Apr 19, 2007

There, now I can tell when you're posting.

-- A friend :)

ReidRansom posted:

Eh, I'd be excited if it were all of them on stage with each other, but 5 interviews isn't super exciting imo.

Is it just interviews? I don't know what CNN means by a "forum". Oh well, I'll still watch probably.

foobardog
Apr 19, 2007

There, now I can tell when you're posting.

-- A friend :)

gently caress, I wish Warren was going to be the first female President, not, Clinton. Maybe Clinton will step aside in 2020, but I assume the likely Castro VP will be the front runner in that case.

WampaLord
Jan 14, 2010

foobardog posted:

gently caress, I wish Warren was going to be the first female President, not, Clinton. Maybe Clinton will step aside in 2020, but I assume the likely Castro VP will be the front runner in that case.

Hahahahahahahahaha!

You think Hillary Clinton would willingly not run for a second term? In no universe does that happen.

woke wedding drone
Jun 1, 2003

by exmarx
Fun Shoe
Did Elizabeth Warren start mattering? I just checked and the sky is its normal color.

A Winner is Jew
Feb 14, 2008

by exmarx

foobardog posted:

gently caress, I wish Warren was going to be the first female President, not, Clinton. Maybe Clinton will step aside in 2020, but I assume the likely Castro VP will be the front runner in that case.

I love Warren, but she is an atrocious campaigner and would get loving killed in a democratic primary let alone a general if she made it that far.

Besides, her being a senator in probably the most liberal state in the nation is literally the best place for someone like her.

computer parts
Nov 18, 2010

PLEASE CLAP
Elizabeth Warren wants to gut one of the major funding sources of the ACA because medical device companies lobbied her.

foobardog
Apr 19, 2007

There, now I can tell when you're posting.

-- A friend :)

WampaLord posted:

Hahahahahahahahaha!

You think Hillary Clinton would willingly not run for a second term? In no universe does that happen.

Yeah, I don't think it's at all likely she would. I don't know. I'll vote for her, but I really want her and all the other 90s third-wayers to go away and let the Democratic Party move to the left more. And hopefully, not just absorb the moderate Republican exodus.

SedanChair posted:

Did Elizabeth Warren start mattering? I just checked and the sky is its normal color.

A Winner is Jew posted:

I love Warren, but she is an atrocious campaigner and would get loving killed in a democratic primary let alone a general if she made it that far.

Besides, her being a senator in probably the most liberal state in the nation is literally the best place for someone like her.

computer parts posted:

Elizabeth Warren wants to gut one of the major funding sources of the ACA because medical device companies lobbied her.

I just want a little hope. :(

Josh Lyman
May 24, 2009


computer parts posted:

Elizabeth Warren wants to gut one of the major funding sources of the ACA because medical device companies lobbied her.
So you mean she's a shill like every other politician?

ComradeCosmobot
Dec 4, 2004

USPOL July

Elephant Ambush posted:

Racing to the bottom is dumb and ineffectual. Just like your posts.

Which is exactly why people hate Trump for "telling it like it is". Oh wait.

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

Josh Lyman posted:

So you mean she's a shill like every other politician?

You should have seen the dismay this weekend when Bernie said his plan for the nomination involved flipping superdelegates. They'll all disappoint you, guys.

FCKGW
May 21, 2006


Smart man, planned it right after the Apple event ended.

Big Hubris
Mar 8, 2011


HE PROMISED TO RELEASE POLITICAL PRISONERS BEFORE THE NIGHT ENDS WHAT THE poo poo.

i am the bird
Mar 2, 2005

I SUPPORT ALL THE PREDATORS

Xae posted:

The dates are important to provide scale. Without dates "The modern civil rights movement" is a chapter in a history book. With dates it becomes a multi decade struggle from Brown v Board in 1954 to the CRA of 1974 and continuing on to today.

I just want to point out that it's ironic that this is an incorrect date and timeframe.

And to counter this example, the emphasis on 1954-1964 (or, more traditionally, 1968 to include the VRA and end with the murder of MLK) can flatten the longer freedom struggle and give the false impression that the Civil Rights Movement emerged from Brown or Montgomery as opposed to those being the results of decades of activism. Dates are important for differentiating of course, but I have students who can tell me a shitload of important stuff about the freedom struggle but maybe only remember that it's "early to mid twentieth century."

That said, I generally agree. Dates are meaningless on their own, but chronology and temporal context is important.

FCKGW
May 21, 2006

ErichZahn posted:

HE PROMISED TO RELEASE POLITICAL PRISONERS BEFORE THE NIGHT ENDS WHAT THE poo poo.

poo poo is getting heated.

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug

ErichZahn posted:

HE PROMISED TO RELEASE POLITICAL PRISONERS BEFORE THE NIGHT ENDS WHAT THE poo poo.

Link?

Elephant Ambush
Nov 13, 2012

...We sholde spenden more time together. What sayest thou?
Nap Ghost

ComradeCosmobot posted:

Which is exactly why people hate Trump for "telling it like it is". Oh wait.

Yes I'm sure all Hillary and Bernie supporters would love it if their candidates started throwing temper tantrums and engaging in twitter slapfights at the drop of a hat.

Democrats and Socialists are just chomping at the bit for an excuse to behave exactly like their childish political opponents.

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

https://twitter.com/costareports/status/711985916454297600

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Arkane
Dec 19, 2006

by R. Guyovich
it's more like Raul pretended that they didn't have any political prisoners

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