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Febreeze posted:"The Blacksmith", a mystery dude we get zero info on and is left as a cliffhanger. I wonder how many times this is going to come up in the thread. Probably tied with "Was Frank's family murdered on purpose or by accident?"
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The Blacksmith plot line was bad and the way Frank took out Blacksmiths men was lame.
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Mar 22, 2016 00:33
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Blazing Ownager posted:It's such an odd feeling from me. That is sadly more to do with the comics it is based off than anything else. The blending of supernatural abilities with "scientific" ones, the mystical far east stuff and the gritty crime drama, love triangles and mass hospital shootings. And then trying to build up an entirely different series within the series itself with Punisher.
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Mar 22, 2016 00:34
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The ninjas were such a drain on an otherwise great character driven show. When Frank or KingPin or even Matt's sanctimonious rear end are monologueing I am 100% dialed into the show. When we're watching a tense and brutal fight scene like Frank versus the prison cellblock I can't look away. But when Matt is doing punches against an endless wave of ninja trash mobs I find it really hard to feel at all invested in the scene.
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Mar 22, 2016 00:35
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Gaunab posted:Is it unusual for television shows to leave some things unresolved at the end of a season? No, it's not unusual, which is why I compared it to Black Sky in S1, which featured in an episode or two and was just a mysterious hook for the shadowy ninja clan, to be followed up on. The hole and the blood draining were the central plot for the last 2/3 of the season, and there was little to no explanation. That is the difference. A few side stories left as mysteries is one thing, but you can't do that with the antagonists' main motivations without making the story feel unfulfilling.
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Phenotype posted:No, it's not unusual, which is why I compared it to Black Sky in S1, which featured in an episode or two and was just a mysterious hook for the shadowy ninja clan, to be followed up on. The hole and the blood draining were the central plot for the last 2/3 of the season, and there was little to no explanation. That is the difference. A few side stories left as mysteries is one thing, but you can't do that with the antagonists' main motivations without making the story feel unfulfilling. Yeah, my only real complaint with this season is we're not really given much reason to care about ~mystical immortal ninja cult~ except in the vaguest terms. What exactly is the Black Sky? What's up with the hole in the ground? Why are Nobu and his ninjas staging all this in NYC of all places? It's fine to leave some plot threads and mysteries unresolved but they should've revealed more to set the stakes higher. Pretty much all we got was THE WAR  , here are a bunch of generic comic book ninja mooks coming after you because THE WAR.This season simply did a poor job of setting Nobu and The Hand up as convincing villains. When your competition includes the Punisher and Kingpin you gotta do better than that.
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Mar 22, 2016 00:53
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Phenotype posted:No, it's not unusual, which is why I compared it to Black Sky in S1, which featured in an episode or two and was just a mysterious hook for the shadowy ninja clan, to be followed up on. The hole and the blood draining were the central plot for the last 2/3 of the season, and there was little to no explanation. That is the difference. A few side stories left as mysteries is one thing, but you can't do that with the antagonists' main motivations without making the story feel unfulfilling. I thought the central plot of the 2/3 was stopping the Hand. As far as Matt knows, he's succeeded but we know better. Anybody have any hopefuls for Bullseye's casting?
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Mar 22, 2016 00:57
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Gaunab posted:I thought the central plot of the 2/3 was stopping the Hand. As far as Matt knows, he's succeeded but we know better. What was the Hand up to? What was Matt trying to stop? "Black Sky"?? I don't understand if you people are being obtuse on purpose. It's okay for people to criticize a TV show.
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Mar 22, 2016 01:00
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net cafe scandal posted:The Blacksmith plot line was bad and the way Frank took out Blacksmiths men was lame. That said, I loved the way they resolved the Frank/Blacksmith confrontation. "Go ahead, this is like a candy store to you, have your fu-" Punisher shoots him in the face.
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Mar 22, 2016 01:10
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Black Sky is a person that the Hand thinks will lead them to victory and glory. Elektra is the Black Sky. She rejects them because she loves Matt, and he's "corrupted" her with his goodness. Then she dies, they exhume her body, and set about resurrecting her.
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Mar 22, 2016 01:16
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Subvisual Haze posted:It really is impressive just how much of a gently caress-up Matt is this season. The whole season felt like him failing repeatedly and alienating everyone around him. It is true to the comics but it feels a bit jarring because as of season 1 Matt was all THIS IS MY CITY, MY FAMILY! And now in season 2 he's just all "my city and family suck, no one understands me like Elektra does so I'm leaving them behind! NO YOU SHUT UP STICK-DAD" It's not necessarily out of character for Matt especially as we watch him fall apart over the season but I still feel like we missed something in between season 1 and 2. Subvisual Haze posted:The ninjas were such a drain on an otherwise great character driven show. When Frank or KingPin or even Matt's sanctimonious rear end are monologueing I am 100% dialed into the show. When we're watching a tense and brutal fight scene like Frank versus the prison cellblock I can't look away. But when Matt is doing punches against an endless wave of ninja trash mobs I find it really hard to feel at all invested in the scene. But if it happened in the comics first than that makes it perfect and above criticism and you just don't like mixing gen HIJK fucked around with this message at 01:22 on Mar 22, 2016 |
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Mar 22, 2016 01:19
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To be honest it feels like a symptom of the season being available immediately. People absolutely love the start because they're fresh and paying attention, but as the season comes to a close they've already binged a ton of episodes and are watching out of duty/necessity rather than actually engaging with what's on the screen. Not to say the show is faultless, it clearly has 'em, but by the same token watching something for 13 hours straight isn't conducive to full attention being paid.
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Mar 22, 2016 01:23
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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:Probably tied with "Was Frank's family murdered on purpose or by accident?" This is legitimately ambiguous though, especially because everything short of the actual event was perpetuated by a party that had no relation to the Blacksmith.
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Mar 22, 2016 01:24
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computer parts posted:This is legitimately ambiguous though, especially because everything short of the actual event was perpetuated by a party that had no relation to the Blacksmith. So you think a gangmember walked up to Frank and shot him once in the head for funsies during their gang war?
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Mar 22, 2016 01:28
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Maluco Marinero posted:To be honest it feels like a symptom of the season being available immediately. People absolutely love the start because they're fresh and paying attention, but as the season comes to a close they've already binged a ton of episodes and are watching out of duty/necessity rather than actually engaging with what's on the screen. Not to say the show is faultless, it clearly has 'em, but by the same token watching something for 13 hours straight isn't conducive to full attention being paid. I spaced it out over a few days 
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Mar 22, 2016 01:28
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HIJK posted:It is true to the comics but it feels a bit jarring because as of season 1 Matt was all THIS IS MY CITY, MY FAMILY! And now in season 2 he's just all "my city and family suck, no one understands me like Elektra does so I'm leaving them behind! NO YOU SHUT UP STICK-DAD" I dunno, he was pretty self centered in Season 1 too. The City/Family thing was true, but it was also an excuse the justify going out into the city and maiming random thugs in order to work out his anger issues. Season 2 is just that same thing coming home to roost. He's so fixated on getting the thrill that he let's the rest of his life go to poo poo. For a little while after I finished S2 it was bothering me that Matt didn't appear to have a character arc this time around, but that's note quite right. It is there; it's just that it's regressive. He ends the season in a worse place compared to where he started.
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Mar 22, 2016 01:28
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HIJK posted:It is true to the comics but it feels a bit jarring because as of season 1 Matt was all THIS IS MY CITY, MY FAMILY! And now in season 2 he's just all "my city and family suck, no one understands me like Elektra does so I'm leaving them behind! NO YOU SHUT UP STICK-DAD" Especially with the Stick/Elektra stuff though, Matt felt like a petulant poo poo. Like I think over the course of one episode (I might be remembering incorrectly) we have Matt: almost get Elektra killed with his no killing shout outs, get his rear end saved by Stick only to turn around and moralize at him some more, after Stick saves Elektra he pushes Elektra to abandon Stick's cause (which he still has no real grasp on), and then essentially kicking Elektra to the curb for not being a wholesome avatar of badguy sparing goodness like he is. Jesus Matt, way to be a complete rear end in a top hat to everyone. More than anything it was shocking to see him be such a dick to his best friend and not even try to reconcile things. Every other comic book TV show or movie would end with them forgiving each other and something something the power of friendship. Kudos to the show with the breaking the mold there.
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Mar 22, 2016 01:36
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Subvisual Haze posted:More than anything it was shocking to see him be such a dick to his best friend and not even try to reconcile things. Every other comic book TV show or movie would end with them forgiving each other and something something the power of friendship. Kudos to the show with the breaking the mold there. I actually just assumed (pure speculation on my part here, I don't know what else is going on casting or storywise for other shows) that this was done this way purely to have Foggy around in the next season of Jessica Jones without having to shoehorn in Matt or explain why he wasn't around.
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Mar 22, 2016 01:39
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Nah Foggy and Matt fallout all the time in the comics.
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Mar 22, 2016 01:47
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Jerusalem posted:I actually just assumed (pure speculation on my part here, I don't know what else is going on casting or storywise for other shows) that this was done this way purely to have Foggy around in the next season of Jessica Jones without having to shoehorn in Matt or explain why he wasn't around. I think it might serve as both. Foggy has gone and done his own thing before in the comics before, as has Matt. Matt, for example, is currently a deputy prosecutor for the District Attorney in the comics. Jessica Jones S2 might also need a few attorneys to clean up the mess. I'm kind of interested as to how Hogarth managed to not get disbarred since she killed her ex-wife while under Purple Man's influence, especially since Hogarth even says that no jury in the world would believe mind control.
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Mar 22, 2016 01:49
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What if the Blacksmith was at the bottom of the hole.
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notthegoatseguy posted:I think it might serve as both. Foggy has gone and done his own thing before in the comics before, as has Matt. Matt, for example, is currently a deputy prosecutor for the District Attorney in the comics. Hogarth didn't kill her ex-wife it was her girlfriend that killed her. She also had like a hundred knife wounds at that point so it would be a clear cut case of self-defense.
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notthegoatseguy posted:I think it might serve as both. Foggy has gone and done his own thing before in the comics before, as has Matt. Matt, for example, is currently a deputy prosecutor for the District Attorney in the comics. Hogarth offering to make Foggy a named partner was the most unrealistic thing about this whole season.
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notthegoatseguy posted:I think it might serve as both. Foggy has gone and done his own thing before in the comics before, as has Matt. Matt, for example, is currently a deputy prosecutor for the District Attorney in the comics. I believe earlier in the season Foggy's ex (I feel terrible that I can't remember her name... Marci?) mentions that the DA is looking to come down harder on vigilantes, and I believe she namedrops Jessica Jones during the conversation as somebody under investigation? CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:Hogarth offering to make Foggy a named partner was the most unrealistic thing about this whole season. I assumed she just meant they wanted him badly enough to put him on the partnership track, as an incentive to bring him onboard.
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net cafe scandal posted:The Blacksmith plot line was bad and the way Frank took out Blacksmiths men was lame. Honestly the final two episodes had way too much stuff happen way too quickly. The Punisher side was anti-climactic and it's resolution came out of nowhere, and it didn't feel like the Daredevil side actually resolved anything at all. Which is odd, because I really love this season.
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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:Hogarth offering to make Foggy a named partner was the most unrealistic thing about this whole season. If Karen's editorial was good enough to be published in a major New York newspaper then I think we can assume Foggy's mediocre opening statement really was that good compared to the basic literacy level of the mcu and he is going to revolutionize the profession
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Mar 22, 2016 02:05
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Maluco Marinero posted:To be honest it feels like a symptom of the season being available immediately. People absolutely love the start because they're fresh and paying attention, but as the season comes to a close they've already binged a ton of episodes and are watching out of duty/necessity rather than actually engaging with what's on the screen. Not to say the show is faultless, it clearly has 'em, but by the same token watching something for 13 hours straight isn't conducive to full attention being paid. I didn't have this problem at all with Daredevil S1, Jessica Jones, House of Cards, etc. The Hand was just such a wet fart of a villain group this season. It was briefly creepy and suspenseful when they were enemies that Matt couldn't see but the audience could. Then he tuned his blindar to breathing and that tension dissolved. They had them do crazy violent torture porn poo poo because otherwise they weren't doing anything notable. CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:So you think a gangmember walked up to Frank and shot him once in the head for funsies during their gang war? This part actually doesn't make sense to me either way. By an insane coincidence did Frank randomly show up with his family to the site of an apocalyptic gang war orchestrated by his former CO? Or is it the even more batshit explanation that Clancy Brown orchestrated a murderfest in the hopes of offing his former subordinate who was busy enjoying days at the park with his family?
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Nipponophile posted:I think there are people in this thread who honestly think that when Punisher's not on screen, the other characters should be asking "Where's Punisher?" The Punisher manhunt was infinitely preferable to the pointless relationship drama or the confusing go-nowhere ninja storyline, so yes. The season was much better when the characters actually were asking "Where's Punisher?"
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Mover posted:If Karen's editorial was good enough to be published in a major New York newspaper then I think we can assume Foggy's mediocre opening statement really was that good compared to the basic literacy level of the mcu and he is going to revolutionize the profession Which reminds me: Matt: Permission to treat this witness as hostile your honor? Thank you. Now my question is... proceeds to deliver an opening statement and never ask a question
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Skippy McPants posted:I dunno, he was pretty self centered in Season 1 too. The City/Family thing was true, but it was also an excuse the justify going out into the city and maiming random thugs in order to work out his anger issues. Season 2 is just that same thing coming home to roost. He's so fixated on getting the thrill that he let's the rest of his life go to poo poo. For a little while after I finished S2 it was bothering me that Matt didn't appear to have a character arc this time around, but that's note quite right. It is there; it's just that it's regressive. He ends the season in a worse place compared to where he started. I don't disagree and it makes sense. It just feels kind of out of nowhere since we didn't see the transition of Matt learning to be cool with being Daredevil instead of being torn up about it. Subvisual Haze posted:Especially with the Stick/Elektra stuff though, Matt felt like a petulant poo poo. Like I think over the course of one episode (I might be remembering incorrectly) we have Matt: almost get Elektra killed with his no killing shout outs, get his rear end saved by Stick only to turn around and moralize at him some more, after Stick saves Elektra he pushes Elektra to abandon Stick's cause (which he still has no real grasp on), and then essentially kicking Elektra to the curb for not being a wholesome avatar of badguy sparing goodness like he is. Jesus Matt, way to be a complete rear end in a top hat to everyone. They'll probably reconcile in Defenders or season 3. But yeah I agree with this too, Matt being a petulant poo poo is a standby but they turned it up just a little too much. Season 1 had a good ratio of Matt whining::Matt trying to be a better person. Here they just have him act like a shithead because hey look Elektra's in town!!!! I'm not saying it's out of character for him to completely forget all the valuable lessons he learned, it's just really irritating to get such a strong dose of it in one season. Space the poo poo out with Matt actually acting like an adult.
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Mar 22, 2016 02:08
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Wet fart count now up to three. Expand your critical vocabularies people!
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Jerusalem posted:Which reminds me: I think that part was actually intentional. He struts into the courtroom after blowing off the rest of the trial and then delivers a self-aggrandizing monologue that doesn't help the case at all.
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Jerusalem posted:All I ask, the only thing I want more than anything else in this show, is that at some point Matt walks into the office Christmas Party wearing a sweater that says,"I AM NOT DAREDEVIL" This really needs to happen. Jerusalem posted:Which reminds me: Matt knew Frank was going to tank the case at that point, so what the hell.
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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:So you think a gangmember walked up to Frank and shot him once in the head for funsies during their gang war? It's certainly possible, especially since everything else is laid out without any nuance.
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Chomposaur posted:I think that part was actually intentional. He struts into the courtroom after blowing off the rest of the trial and then delivers a self-aggrandizing monologue that doesn't help the case at all. Yeah, it was part of making the point that Matt has become an arrogant jerk who thinks he can control everything because HE IS THE NIGHT. Then it all goes to hell and Foggy and Karen lay down some amazing burns before taking off.
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Maluco Marinero posted:To be honest it feels like a symptom of the season being available immediately. People absolutely love the start because they're fresh and paying attention, but as the season comes to a close they've already binged a ton of episodes and are watching out of duty/necessity rather than actually engaging with what's on the screen. Not to say the show is faultless, it clearly has 'em, but by the same token watching something for 13 hours straight isn't conducive to full attention being paid. I've been breaking it up and haven't finished yet, but every Elektra scene feels like a chore to get through.
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Best line deliveries this season: 1st Place: "AHH! THE SON OF A BOXER!" 2nd/3rd Place (Tie): Elektra: "Hungrayy~?" / Elektra: "Readayy~?"
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howe_sam posted:This really needs to happen. Toyfare magazine used to do "Twisted toyfare theater" with Mego figures (think Robot Chicken in print) and the Daredevil blind jokes never cease to make me laugh. One strip he's Matt Murdoch as a lawyer, and calls Daredevil to the stand. In true 60s comic fashion, he talks to himself "Little does the jury suspect that i, mild mannered attorney Matt Murdoch am actually Daredevil, the man without fear! And as I step into this janitors closet to change clothes, no one will suspect a thing!". The janitor's closet, of course, being the middle of the courtroom.
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nooneofconsequence posted:What if the Blacksmith was at the bottom of the hole. Honestly my best guess is it has something to do with the urn they put Elektra into for her resurrection/immortality. They drained the zombie kids' toxic bubbling blood into the urn, though we don't see it full of blood when Elektra gets put in, so I dunno. Maybe the mystical ninja immortality ritual requires the urn be lowered/buried super deep or something. Or maybe the hole is just ninja tunnel Grand Central Station though I'm not sure if that makes much sense either. There just isn't enough background and buildup to make The Hand into a compelling villain this season.
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