|
I can go buy more. It's not like they're expensive.
|
#
?
Mar 22, 2016 15:50
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 4, 2024 19:55 |
|
|
Heheh Hohoho
|
|
#
?
Mar 22, 2016 15:59
|
|
|
The lich in the gates district is the one with a chest containing long sword: daystar? I used a thief to pick the lock, grab the sword and use the ability of the sword to make the lich explode. It's a fun item against undead.
|
|
#
?
Mar 22, 2016 18:32
|
|
|
Woolie Wool posted:I can go buy more. It's not like they're expensive.
|
|
#
?
Mar 22, 2016 19:07
|
|
|
Woolie Wool posted:No, I don't because they confuse me. Is there a guide to sequencers and contingencies for dummies? For the level you're at you can combine Web and Glitterdust in a Minor Sequencer to disable groups. Or make one containing Magic Missile and Acid Arrow to interrupt spellcasters and put a DoT on them that'll hopefully interrupt them again later. Contingency is pretty much Stoneskin/Improved Invisibility for when you're below 50% HP/rendered helpless. Later on this really opens up and you can stack Greater Malisons combined with AoE debuffs, and eventually fire off three Horrid Wiltings at once. Or summon three illusionary copies of yourself with Project Image. High-level Cleric/Mages can do especially cool stuff with this, but they need to be really high-level. e: Also, you may not be aware of this, but both Sequencers and Contingencies stick around until used, even if you rest. So there's not really a reason not to have one of each stored at all times. Although I often don't because resting twice just to renew them is the most  thing.
Wizard Styles fucked around with this message at 20:31 on Mar 22, 2016 |
|
#
?
Mar 22, 2016 20:21
|
|
|
jBrereton posted:There's like 3 in the game, no? I walked into a random shop in the city and bought three of them.
|
|
#
?
Mar 22, 2016 20:40
|
|
|
Woolie Wool posted:I walked into a random shop in the city and bought three of them. The Adventurers Mart has basically the whole games supply (and doesn't restock)
|
|
#
?
Mar 22, 2016 21:00
|
|
|
MrL_JaKiri posted:The Adventurers Mart has basically the whole games supply (and doesn't restock) And as hard as that lich seems, there's a much worse one later that you will wish you had saved them for.
|
|
#
?
Mar 22, 2016 21:07
|
|
|
God knows I've too many mods to be sure that this is vanilla behaviour, but I think you can pick up other ProUndead scrolls at some, if not all, of the temples, Oghma included. The supply is small and exhaustible but it's not like ProMagic. There are also alternatives for that particular challenge.
|
|
#
?
Mar 22, 2016 21:31
|
|
|
It's protection from magic scrolls that are in extremely short supply (2 at the adventurer's mart). Protection from undead scrolls are common. You can also easily cheese the daystar lich with azuredge.
|
|
#
?
Mar 22, 2016 21:47
|
|
|
MEANWHILE it's time for another FMT solo ironman!
|
|
#
?
Mar 22, 2016 21:49
|
|
|
OK that was the shortest ironman in history, about 6 seconds (setting traps to kill Firebeard, crit failed and killed myself)
|
|
#
?
Mar 22, 2016 21:49
|
|
|
MrL_JaKiri posted:OK that was the shortest ironman in history, about 6 seconds (setting traps to kill Firebeard, crit failed and killed myself) Mine managed to last until the fight with the assassin in the barracks and I deliberately chose not to run.
|
|
#
?
Mar 22, 2016 21:54
|
|
|
Arivia posted:And as hard as that lich seems, there's a much worse one later that you will wish you had saved them for. If you're thinking of the one I am thinking of, I've already heard of his gimmick and even read a strategy by which any PC who has been to Spellhold can reliably solo his second form, if I can get my party out of the area in time. I'm annoyed that the details of the strategy spoiled a pivotal plot moment though. But what is with the scarcity of items in this game? BG1 handed out protection from whatever scrolls and potions of noun giant strength like candy. At the end of BG1 I was popping the strength potions every fifth fight or so because they were so abundant. Woolie Wool fucked around with this message at 22:48 on Mar 22, 2016 |
|
#
?
Mar 22, 2016 22:43
|
|
|
Oh man why didn't I ever cheese liches with korgan and azuredge before? It's loving hilarious.
|
|
#
?
Mar 22, 2016 23:04
|
|
|
Probably because azuredge can only be used by good aligned character.
|
|
#
?
Mar 22, 2016 23:06
|
|
|
MrL_JaKiri posted:OK that was the shortest ironman in history, about 6 seconds (setting traps to kill Firebeard, crit failed and killed myself) This might be my favorite ironman death, surpassing the old one where a wild mage surges on the first fight and summons one of the greater demons who then pastes him.
|
|
#
?
Mar 22, 2016 23:17
|
|
|
Suspicious posted:Probably because azuredge can only be used by good aligned character. Hilarity takes precedence over your "rules"
|
|
#
?
Mar 22, 2016 23:36
|
|
|
Which mage specialization is the best for a first playthrough? Will I be missing any crucial spells by giving up necromancy?
|
|
#
?
Mar 22, 2016 23:37
|
|
|
DJ Dizzy posted:Which mage specialization is the best for a first playthrough? Will I be missing any crucial spells by giving up necromancy? Sorcerer is far more powerful than the spec mages. There are not enough spells at any given level that you will be missing out from the reduced spell selection. Not having to memorize more breach or dispel magic or whatever is also a big advantage.
|
|
#
?
Mar 22, 2016 23:37
|
|
|
DJ Dizzy posted:Which mage specialization is the best for a first playthrough? Will I be missing any crucial spells by giving up necromancy? Conjurer is the best spec mage, divination isn't as useful as the other schools, and party members can take up the slack (for instance, an inquisitor paladin is a better user of True Sight than any wizard). Necromancer has by far the coolest name but probably the worst in gameplay because you lose several useful defensive spells. Also lore question: is there any particular reason why liches have to be evil? What if the lich is just an otherwise decent guy with completely out of control thanatophobia and the talents to make himself immortal? Woolie Wool fucked around with this message at 23:46 on Mar 22, 2016 |
|
#
?
Mar 22, 2016 23:42
|
|
|
Woolie Wool posted:Also lore question: is there any particular reason why liches have to be evil? What if the lich is just an otherwise decent guy with completely out of control thanatophobia and the talents to make himself immortal? They're called Archliches or Baelnorn in that case.
|
|
#
?
Mar 22, 2016 23:54
|
|
|
Woolie Wool posted:Conjurer is the best spec mage, divination isn't as useful as the other schools, and party members can take up the slack (for instance, an inquisitor paladin is a better user of True Sight than any wizard). Necromancer has by far the coolest name but probably the worst in gameplay because you lose several useful defensive spells. I thought the ritual included human sacrifice, or that is always what I inferred anyway. Similar to the dark sun dragons, but on a smaller scale.
|
|
#
?
Mar 22, 2016 23:59
|
|
|
Becoming a lich generally involves doing a lot of terrible poo poo, I think- Baelnorn are special Elf liches of some kind. Besides, the afterlife(s) is generally a pleasant place for most souls. Don't fear the reaper  .
|
|
#
?
Mar 22, 2016 23:59
|
|
|
Washout posted:Sorcerer is far more powerful than the spec mages. There are not enough spells at any given level that you will be missing out from the reduced spell selection. Not having to memorize more breach or dispel magic or whatever is also a big advantage. DJ Dizzy posted:Which mage specialization is the best for a first playthrough? Will I be missing any crucial spells by giving up necromancy? Better than regular Mage Conjurer - There are like five Divination spells really worth casting and the best one - True Seeing - can be handled by Clerics, Druids, or an Inquisitor. Or even a Thief if you take one that keeps leveling the class. More or less even Illusionist - You get to be a Gnome, which is a big plus because it means +5 to Invoker - You don't have Sleep in early BG1, which is problematic. Then losing Enchantments doesn't matter for a time. Then it matters a lot because so much of mid-level crowd control is Enchantment stuff. Greater Malison, Emotion, Chaos, all Enchantment. There are ways to make up for it, but it can be awkward. In the long run Greater Malison is the one really big loss; you'll need a backup Mage to take care of that. Wild Mage -  Okay if you really want the extra slot or for flavor reasons Diviner - Pretty iffy. You don't get a familiar, so right from the start you're down a bunch of extra HP and more importantly a pet to keep you company. Apart from that, losing all those summoning spells doesn't even hurt since you still get the best ones anyway, but you do give up Power Words. Necromancer - lovely defenses in the early game because you don't get Invisibility spells and Mirror Images. Later on you can rely on Stoneskin and Abjuration spells. But then you don't get the ability to make illusory copies of yourself which is incredibly powerful. Don't do this Abjurer - Losing Transmutation is really bad. Stoneskin is one of the best defensive spells, you don't get it. Slow is a good general purpose debuff, you don't get it. Haste and Improved Haste are some of the best buffs, you don't get them. Time Stop is Time Stop, you don't get it. Enchanter - Okay in BG1. Really bad in the long run because you don't get Sequencers and Contingencies. Transmuter - You lose too many defensive options and most of the spells that let you get rid of other Mages' defenses. Wizard Styles fucked around with this message at 00:29 on Mar 23, 2016 |
|
#
?
Mar 23, 2016 00:02
|
|
|
Washout posted:I thought the ritual included human sacrifice, or that is always what I inferred anyway. Similar to the dark sun dragons, but on a smaller scale. I havent found any specific information what it takes to become a lich but ive heard someone say an innocent soul needs to be sacrificed. Most sources seem to be pretty unspecific about it and just say they need to do some crime against universe that will put you on the gods poo poo list.
|
|
#
?
Mar 23, 2016 00:04
|
|
|
Doesn't becoming undead involve losing your soul in the first place?
|
|
#
?
Mar 23, 2016 00:08
|
|
|
Pretty chill lich in Watcher's Keep...as long as he gets up on the right side of the bed. I'm not sure I understand protection from magic spells. I remember it working for some no-name lich, but I popped one on for the beholder caverns and instantly got hosed up. I think I basically struggle once the game goes outside the normal rules. Like with beholders having "beholder magic" and Kangaxx not casting normal Imprisonment. I am also struggling with Aurumach Rilmani who seems to have a constant 12 mirror images and improved alacrity. I am thinking the only solution is a carpet of spike traps and a welcome party of Planetars.
|
|
#
?
Mar 23, 2016 00:08
|
|
|
Incoming Chinchilla posted:I am also struggling with Aurumach Rilmani who seems to have a constant 12 mirror images and improved alacrity. I am thinking the only solution is a carpet of spike traps and a welcome party of Planetars. It's been some time since I played Throne of Bhaal, but lots of dudes shouting "I shall prevail" is among the fondest memories I have of it. I should grab the EE version and play without exploiting the poo poo out of it.
|
|
#
?
Mar 23, 2016 00:17
|
|
|
Suspicious posted:Doesn't becoming undead involve losing your soul in the first place? I think in forgotten realms undead are powered by negative energy which tends to drain the soul. Liches store their soul in a phylactery so they get around this unfortunate side effect.
|
|
#
?
Mar 23, 2016 00:26
|
|
|
Is there a way to use mods on the Android version, I bought BG2 for my tablet awhile ago and want to play, but I shudder at having to go through the opening dungeon again and want to use Dungeon be gone.
|
|
#
?
Mar 23, 2016 00:42
|
|
|
After the failed Ironman earlier I've restarted the No Magic Items (which, for the purposes of this, I've taken to mean scrolls and Things That Need Identifying) run, with a slightly better roll - 90 ain't bad for 30s work! Currently running around Beregost, having killed Firebeard twice and picked up my pretty much endgame equipment once again (a Quarterstaff, Leather Armour and Plate Mail). 4/4, progressing well.
|
|
#
?
Mar 23, 2016 00:49
|
|
|
We have an ongoing Ironman thread, you know. As to liches, while the Monstrous Manual statblock makes them 'any evil' alignment, the detail provided in the actual entry adds more nuance: quote:The lich is, perhaps, the single most powerful form of undead known to exist. They seek to further their own power at all costs and have little or not interest in the affairs of the living, except where those affairs interfere with their own. So, rather than raw evil, it's more a matter of the intensely focused drive it takes to: become an 18th+ level mage, decide that you haven't done enough and want to live forever, choose as your method of immortality mostly killing yourself, grabbing your soul as it tries to break free, and stuffing it in a jar, actually carry that out, survive it. Plus a seasoning of becoming an ancient and immortal creature of even greater power afterwards. Not absolute evil, so much as a lack of any empathy for the puny, ephemeral mortals. Though the last bit about liches of any alignment trends back toward the usual 2e thing of 'these are the rules, but there are probably exceptions and you can break them if you want'. It tried not to be overly doctrinal.
|
|
#
?
Mar 23, 2016 01:38
|
|
|
MrL_JaKiri posted:After the failed Ironman earlier I've restarted the No Magic Items (which, for the purposes of this, I've taken to mean scrolls and Things That Need Identifying) run, with a slightly better roll - 90 ain't bad for 30s work! The old UI actually looks better in some respects than the EE one.
|
|
#
?
Mar 23, 2016 01:39
|
|
|
MrL_JaKiri posted:After the failed Ironman earlier I've restarted the No Magic Items (which, for the purposes of this, I've taken to mean scrolls and Things That Need Identifying) run, with a slightly better roll - 90 ain't bad for 30s work! Do Cleric/Thieves still have the worst loving hot bar imaginable?
|
|
#
?
Mar 23, 2016 02:44
|
|
|
Woolie Wool posted:The old UI actually looks better in some respects than the EE one. in all respects so long as you don't have it at some high modern resolution. no higher than 1360x768.
|
|
#
?
Mar 23, 2016 02:56
|
|
|
Why couldn't they just have used that UI and used nearest neighbor scaling on everything, like every old sprite game source port ever? If you're not going to make a real modern UI, why bother?
Woolie Wool fucked around with this message at 03:26 on Mar 23, 2016 |
|
#
?
Mar 23, 2016 03:06
|
|
|
Things I should remember: one of the outcomes on Sphere of Chaos is disintegration. Well, that's a reload. Thanks Vongoethe. TOB's so loving weird. A lich promising a merchant twenty years of success in exchange for his soul, and then pursuing the man when he reneges on the contract, stealing the souls of his loved ones as he goes, should be an adventure module, an event of significance. Not a random-rear end single area sidequest with roughly equal importance given to it as stopping a girl getting shaken down by idiot mercenaries.
|
|
#
?
Mar 23, 2016 09:07
|
|
|
What makes the game so great is that there is just SO MUCH poo poo.
|
|
#
?
Mar 23, 2016 09:21
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 4, 2024 19:55 |
|
|
Vikar Jerome posted:in all respects so long as you don't have it at some high modern resolution. no higher than 1360x768. I think it looks good whatever Skwirl posted:Do Cleric/Thieves still have the worst loving hot bar imaginable? Yes. Sleep of Bronze posted:We have an ongoing Ironman thread, you know. This is 10,000% not an Ironman. It's gonna get pretty hard.
|
|
#
?
Mar 23, 2016 10:25
|
|