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Condiv: May 7, 2008; Sorry to undo the effort of paying a domestic abuser $10 to own this poster, but I am going to lose my dang mind if I keep seeing multiple posters who appear to be Baloogan.

With love,
a mod

crazysim posted:

So how many things depend on it and is there anything important going up?

only one thing, but the is-number module has this many dependents

algebra, promised-http-server, babel-generator, @divmain/babel-generator, is-positive-integer, unicode-byte-truncate, image-js, db-schema-validator, flint-babel-core, babelfmt, idb-schema, @eins78/pixelstatus, babel-fast-react-core, babel-core-flint, from-family, sanitize-cep, round-precision, index-to-word, parse-int, is-valid-month, rpgparameter, mu-babel, opc, bacon-theory

i'm the bacon-theory

# ? Mar 23, 2016 03:26

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# ? May 11, 2024 20:19

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uncurable mlady posted:

var is weirdly divisive, I don't think I've ever heard a good argument against it though. it makes things so much more readable and clean

C# is not JavaScript, vb, or php. If you know what type you need declare it as that type. The idea that a generic keyword with type determined at execution makes things more readable is literally the opposite of the truth.

If you've got some Linq returning an ienumerable then yeah use var, whatever but if you're declaring everything under the sun as var maybe you should go back to writing excel vba

# ? Mar 23, 2016 03:51

Condiv: May 7, 2008; Sorry to undo the effort of paying a domestic abuser $10 to own this poster, but I am going to lose my dang mind if I keep seeing multiple posters who appear to be Baloogan.

With love,
a mod

BiohazrD posted:

C# is not JavaScript, vb, or php. If you know what type you need declare it as that type. The idea that a generic keyword with type determined at execution makes things more readable is literally the opposite of the truth.

If you've got some Linq returning an ienumerable then yeah use var, whatever but if you're declaring everything under the sun as var maybe you should go back to writing excel vba

lol, the type isn't determined at execution it's determined at compile time

laffo at someone who apparently knows c# but doesn't know that type inference != dynamic typing

# ? Mar 23, 2016 03:55

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Condiv posted:

lol, the type isn't determined at execution it's determined at compile time

laffo at someone who apparently knows c# but doesn't know that type inference != dynamic typing

i was gonna basically post this, so... yeah... man, i'm a loving idiot but even i understand the difference between var and dynamic or w/e

# ? Mar 23, 2016 03:59

brap: Aug 23, 2004; Grimey Drawer

BiohazrD posted:

C# is not JavaScript, vb, or php. If you know what type you need declare it as that type. The idea that a generic keyword with type determined at execution makes things more readable is literally the opposite of the truth.

If you've got some Linq returning an ienumerable then yeah use var, whatever but if you're declaring everything under the sun as var maybe you should go back to writing excel vba

# ? Mar 23, 2016 04:07

fart simpson: Jul 2, 2005; DEATH TO AMERICA

Condiv posted:

only one thing, but the is-number module has this many dependents

algebra, promised-http-server, babel-generator, @divmain/babel-generator, is-positive-integer, unicode-byte-truncate, image-js, db-schema-validator, flint-babel-core, babelfmt, idb-schema, @eins78/pixelstatus, babel-fast-react-core, babel-core-flint, from-family, sanitize-cep, round-precision, index-to-word, parse-int, is-valid-month, rpgparameter, mu-babel, opc, bacon-theory

i'm the bacon-theory

npm is cool

# ? Mar 23, 2016 04:11

cowboy beepboop: Feb 24, 2001

npm is so bad. javascript is bad too.

# ? Mar 23, 2016 04:15

30 TO 50 FERAL HOG: Mar 2, 2005

Condiv posted:

lol, the type isn't determined at execution it's determined at compile time

laffo at someone who apparently knows c# but doesn't know that type inference != dynamic typing

yeah whatever I'm dumb and or gay

# ? Mar 23, 2016 04:19

CRIP EATIN BREAD: Jun 24, 2002; Hey stop worrying bout my acting bitch, and worry about your WACK ass music. In the mean time... Eat a hot bowl of Dicks! Ice T; Soiled Meat

speaking of npm look at this whiny baby:

https://medium.com/@azerbike/i-ve-just-liberated-my-modules-9045c06be67c#.p1nevaqs8

# ? Mar 23, 2016 04:27

VikingofRock: Aug 24, 2008

I dunno, if I lost ownership of my package over a bullshit copyright claim I'd be pretty pissed too. It's hard for me to get too mad at the guy over wanting to burn it all down.

# ? Mar 23, 2016 04:36

MeruFM: Jul 27, 2010

yeah i sympathize with the guy
also it's just breaking builds, not production

# ? Mar 23, 2016 05:11

Illusive Fuck Man: Jul 5, 2004; RIP John McCain feel better xoxo ð ð; Taco Defender

IMO explicitly writing types is good and using var/auto is bad, except when the type is redundant like
std::unique_ptr<FlushableToilet> toilet = std::make_unique<FlushableToilet>(pisswater)

or just verbose like a iterator from a vector of pairs of whatever.

just because the line is shorter using auto doesn't mean it's more readable. types are useful information to know when reading code.

its me, the guy who cares too much about var.

# ? Mar 23, 2016 05:17

The MUMPSorceress: Jan 6, 2012; ^SHTPSTS; Gary’s Answer

Illusive gently caress Man posted:

IMO explicitly writing types is good and using var/auto is bad, except when the type is redundant like
std::unique_ptr<FlushableToilet> toilet = std::make_unique<FlushableToilet>(pisswater)

or just verbose like a iterator from a vector of pairs of whatever.

just because the line is shorter using auto doesn't mean it's more readable. types are useful information to know when reading code.

its me, the guy who cares too much about var.

this is exactly what var is for though? the proper use of var is to condense a repeated type declaration:

code:

//long dumb way

HashMap<String,Long> myMap = New HashMap<String,Long>();

//same ting but half the crap

var myMap = New HashMap<String,Long>();

there are still things where you should declare your type and var isn't useful but a good dev should recognize them. like, if you're writing an api where you just need anything that is a list and implements list's public api and you don't care what the underlying implementation is, you should absolutely do

code:


List<Foo> myList = functionThatReturnsSomeList()

i don't know anybody that would use var in the latter case, though i'm willing to bet someone at my company did at some point since var is explicitly banned in our style guide alongside linq. basically everything good about c# is banned, lol.

# ? Mar 23, 2016 05:34

Illusive Fuck Man: Jul 5, 2004; RIP John McCain feel better xoxo ð ð; Taco Defender

o I thought people were advocating declaring literally everything using var

# ? Mar 23, 2016 05:40

crazysim: May 23, 2004; I AM SOOOOO GAY

Condiv posted:

only one thing, but the is-number module has this many dependents

algebra, promised-http-server, babel-generator, @divmain/babel-generator, is-positive-integer, unicode-byte-truncate, image-js, db-schema-validator, flint-babel-core, babelfmt, idb-schema, @eins78/pixelstatus, babel-fast-react-core, babel-core-flint, from-family, sanitize-cep, round-precision, index-to-word, parse-int, is-valid-month, rpgparameter, mu-babel, opc, bacon-theory

i'm the bacon-theory

is that a depth of one or exhaustive?

# ? Mar 23, 2016 05:47

Plorkyeran: Mar 22, 2007; To Escape The Shackles Of The Old Forums, We Must Reject The Tribal Negativity He Endorsed

at the minimum use var/auto when the type appears on the rhs, because repeating the type is dumb

using var always has the advantage of that it calls out the places where the type you're explicitly declaring isn't the type of the rhs. this isn't terribly useful in c# because it has fairly minimal implicit conversions, but in c++ where implicit conversions are the default for historical reasons it's quite nice to know at a glance that something is actually just a variable declaration and not converting the result of a function call into the declared type. whether or not this explicitness is worth not declaring types even where they aren't totally obvious is debatable

just definitely don't go somewhere in between the two extremes because that's the worst of both worlds

# ? Mar 23, 2016 05:50

HoboMan: Nov 4, 2010

Illusive gently caress Man posted:

o I thought people were advocating declaring literally everything using var

me too.

but really if you know the type why not just type (see what i did there?) it out? (you lazy rear end in a top hat)

HoboMan fucked around with this message at 05:56 on Mar 23, 2016

# ? Mar 23, 2016 05:52

The MUMPSorceress: Jan 6, 2012; ^SHTPSTS; Gary’s Answer

HoboMan posted:

me too.

but really if you know the type why not just type (see what i did there?) it out? (you lazy rear end in a top hat)

because there are things in some codebases like PortableInstrumentedSortableHashMap2<K,V> and i dont want to type that poo poo out twice.

same reason we always use i as the index for an outer loop. cuz it's faster and conventions are good.

# ? Mar 23, 2016 06:03

HoboMan: Nov 4, 2010

LeftistMuslimObama posted:

because there are things in some codebases like PortableInstrumentedSortableHashMap2<K,V> and i dont want to type that poo poo out twice.

same reason we always use i as the index for an outer loop. cuz it's faster and conventions are good.

but you see copy-paste exists

e: PortableInstrumentedSortableHashMap2<K,V> PortableInstrumentedSortableHashMap2<K,V> PortableInstrumentedSortableHashMap2<K,V> PortableInstrumentedSortableHashMap2<K,V> PortableInstrumentedSortableHashMap2<K,V> PortableInstrumentedSortableHashMap2<K,V>

# ? Mar 23, 2016 06:12

Deep Dish Fuckfest: Sep 6, 2006; Advanced
Computer Touching; Toilet Rascal

Plorkyeran posted:

at the minimum use var/auto when the type appears on the rhs, because repeating the type is dumb

using var always has the advantage of that it calls out the places where the type you're explicitly declaring isn't the type of the rhs. this isn't terribly useful in c# because it has fairly minimal implicit conversions, but in c++ where implicit conversions are the default for historical reasons it's quite nice to know at a glance that something is actually just a variable declaration and not converting the result of a function call into the declared type. whether or not this explicitness is worth not declaring types even where they aren't totally obvious is debatable

just definitely don't go somewhere in between the two extremes because that's the worst of both worlds

this is pretty much the correct opinion as far as c++ is concerned

though it's pretty funny when you get people who don't like auto because "it doesn't make types as clear" or something like that, who then proceed to cast poo poo left and right and just generally take a huge dump on the type system

# ? Mar 23, 2016 06:19

The MUMPSorceress: Jan 6, 2012; ^SHTPSTS; Gary’s Answer

i miss c. so fun to

code:

(char *)&array+=bytesToJump.

you feel like a wizard once you know how to go anywhere you want in memory

# ? Mar 23, 2016 06:42

Wheany: Mar 17, 2006; Spinya^{ha^{ha^haha}ha}ha_{ha_{ha_haha}ha}ha!; Doctor Rope

Finster Dexter posted:

e: I love that feeling though, of closing down like 20 browser tabs of google searches and stackoverflow questions. Feel like my day can finally begin

my favorite feeling is spending 2 days on a problem trying all kinds of poo poo, and then i make a 5-line commit that fixes the issue.

# ? Mar 23, 2016 07:32

Wheany: Mar 17, 2006; Spinya^{ha^{ha^haha}ha}ha_{ha_{ha_haha}ha}ha!; Doctor Rope

crazysim posted:

is that a depth of one or exhaustive?

i remember something something maximum flow minimum cut graph theory thing.

find the package that would break the most poo poo.

make a copyright claim on it.

except it's probably jquery or something where it wouldn't work.

# ? Mar 23, 2016 07:35

Wheany: Mar 17, 2006; Spinya^{ha^{ha^haha}ha}ha_{ha_{ha_haha}ha}ha!; Doctor Rope

Wheany posted:

i remember something something maximum flow minimum cut graph theory thing.

except that doesn't really apply now does it.

well, i guess that's the reason i'm posting itt

# ? Mar 23, 2016 07:38

cowboy beepboop: Feb 24, 2001

Wheany posted:

my favorite feeling is spending 2 days on a problem trying all kinds of poo poo, and then i make a 5-line commit that fixes the issue.

also the lazy commit message after 2 days of debugging and troubleshooting

"FQR-420 fixed bug; added test"

# ? Mar 23, 2016 07:48

gonadic io: Feb 16, 2011; >>=

Illusive gently caress Man posted:

o I thought people were advocating declaring literally everything using var

i do this except when the compiler can't figure out the type

# ? Mar 23, 2016 08:34

VikingofRock: Aug 24, 2008

Wheany posted:

my favorite feeling is spending 2 days on a problem trying all kinds of poo poo, and then i make a 5-line commit that fixes the issue.

I just did this with a bug in the Rust compiler; it felt awesome.

# ? Mar 23, 2016 09:51

qntm: Jun 17, 2009

MononcQc posted:

Found the guy: https://www.npmjs.com/~jonschlinkert

E: other worthwhile contributions include packages such as:

git-repo-name - v0.5.1 - Get the repository name from the git remote origin URL.
git-user-email - v0.2.1 - Get the email address of the current user from git config.
git-username - v0.4.0 - Get the username from a git remote origin URL.
git-user-name - v1.2.0 - Get a user's name from git config at the project or global scope, depending on what git uses in the current context.
is-even - v0.1.1 - Return true if the given number is even.
is-false - v0.1.1 - Returns false if the value of a property is either strictly false, or it's inverse is strictly true.
is-number - v2.1.0 - Returns true if the value is a number. comprehensive tests.
is-odd - v0.1.0 - Returns true if the given number is odd.
month - v2.0.1 - Get the name or number of the current month or any month of the year.
month-day - v0.1.1 - Get the current day of the month, according to local time or UTC.
months - v1.0.1 - Months of the year.

is this a good time to promote my npm module abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz

# ? Mar 23, 2016 10:17

Gul Banana: Nov 28, 2003

Illusive gently caress Man posted:

o I thought people were advocating declaring literally everything using var

i advocate and practice it. what now

# ? Mar 23, 2016 11:05

Bloody: Mar 3, 2013

Illusive gently caress Man posted:

IMO explicitly writing types is good and using var/auto is bad, except when the type is redundant like
std::unique_ptr<FlushableToilet> toilet = std::make_unique<FlushableToilet>(pisswater)

or just verbose like a iterator from a vector of pairs of whatever.

just because the line is shorter using auto doesn't mean it's more readable. types are useful information to know when reading code.

its me, the guy who cares too much about var.

types can be inferred because writing them out is redundant 100% of the time

# ? Mar 23, 2016 12:18

Bloody: Mar 3, 2013

I use var 100% of the time

# ? Mar 23, 2016 12:20

Wheany: Mar 17, 2006; Spinya^{ha^{ha^haha}ha}ha_{ha_{ha_haha}ha}ha!; Doctor Rope

Gul Banana posted:

i advocate and practice it. what now

no items, fox only, final destination

# ? Mar 23, 2016 12:43

~Coxy: Dec 9, 2003; R.I.P. Inter-OS Sass - b.2000AD d.2003AD

HoboMan posted:

ok these is good examples and i see how this could be cool&good.

did i mention i'm the only software engineer on staff and i don't know poo poo about dicks?

install r# and when it tells you to turn a loop into a linq statement, at least see what it is suggesting and see if you can work out what it's doing

sometimes you won't want it as a linq expression if it compromises the readability, but have a go

# ? Mar 23, 2016 13:02

~Coxy: Dec 9, 2003; R.I.P. Inter-OS Sass - b.2000AD d.2003AD

Bloody posted:

I use var 100% of the time

i also

mainly because r# told me to back in 2008 and it stuck

# ? Mar 23, 2016 13:05

Bloody: Mar 3, 2013

~Coxy posted:

i also

mainly because r# told me to back in 2008 and it stuck

lol same

# ? Mar 23, 2016 13:07

Bloody: Mar 3, 2013

r# language utilization opportunity thing is the best learning tool I have ever encountered

# ? Mar 23, 2016 13:07

quiggy: Aug 7, 2010; [in Russian] Oof.

CRIP EATIN BREAD posted:

speaking of npm look at this whiny baby:

https://medium.com/@azerbike/i-ve-just-liberated-my-modules-9045c06be67c#.p1nevaqs8

im currently saving up money to liberate my modules too, op

# ? Mar 23, 2016 13:18

weird: Jun 4, 2012; by zen death robot

HoboMan posted:

but you see copy-paste exists

e: PortableInstrumentedSortableHashMap2<K,V> PortableInstrumentedSortableHashMap2<K,V> PortableInstrumentedSortableHashMap2<K,V> PortableInstrumentedSortableHashMap2<K,V> PortableInstrumentedSortableHashMap2<K,V> PortableInstrumentedSortableHashMap2<K,V>

and what about when you're reading it

# ? Mar 23, 2016 13:24

Bloody: Mar 3, 2013

reminder that increasing verbosity does not increase readability

# ? Mar 23, 2016 13:25

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Notorious QIG posted:

im currently saving up money to liberate my modules too, op

lol

# ? Mar 23, 2016 13:29

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