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Polaron posted:Grant Ward is a fantastic villain Oops, yeah. I guess TV just has the space to develop villains or something.
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DrNutt posted:I loved The Punisher when I was a retarded lolbertarian but he has a lot less appeal now that I've grown up and matured. Re reading the MAX stuff is mostly unpleasant and I can't imagine "Frank Castle gruesomely murders disgusting rapists, murderers, and pedophiles" being a compelling season of TV without something more complex added to the mix. That's why I loved the Tom Jane Punisher. It was a little cheesy but giving the character a little humanity wasn't a bad idea. For what it's worth, the best Punisher stuff has the Punisher admitting he is full well not the good guy. That's why it works. It's not Death Wish 3 where everyone is going "Wooo Frank you're awesome." I really dug this take on the character. You can tell it's a role that the actor loves to play and really believes in, and I think he's got the perfect balance of what's needed writing wise. They could have easily made him the central plot of the season - and the plot surrounding him - and I think that's why the Elektra stuff was doubly disappointing. Marvel is silly if they don't greenlight a Punisher show officially now. Just about everyone who stuck through season 2 wants to see him light up that minigun. ImpAtom posted:Daredevil Season 2 was a good show tied to a lovely show. I entirely agree with you. It's this odd place. It's not a bad season of TV; it was fun and I'm glad I watched it. I didn't ever hate it. But I did find myself checking out on the Hand stuff, thinking to myself "I bet these are the same four stunt men every drat time, every fight is the same." Only the hospital scene really stood out. The mystical stuff has impact on the show when kept ON THE OUTSIDE. If the Ninja episode happened last season and raided the hospital that would have been "HOLY poo poo WHAT THE gently caress WAS THAT" greatness that it just couldn't have after a million ninja fights. ED: It also felt REALLLLLY late 80s/early 90s; I kind of wanted "Against the Ninja" to play on a loop with a montage of those scenes because it's so silly. PS: Am I the only one to notice there's no more stamina in Daredevil's brawls? They've turned into Hong Kong slap fights, which is exactly what season 1 avoided. Only the Punisher's stuff felt like BRAWLS, now. Them hyping the Dogs of Hell fight as "The hallway scene on crack" missed everything cool about the original scene; the new scene WAS fun and creative, absolutely, but I never felt the blows like the far more low key scene.. and that hurt. Blazing Ownager fucked around with this message at 05:01 on Mar 23, 2016 |
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Dapper Dan posted:I actually like the Netflix Punisher better thinking more on it. Because Frank is basically a force of nature in Max, he is unrelatable. In Ennis' run, the stories are basically about the villains. Having Frank show emotions and be a little vulnerable is really nice for a change. I agree, Punisher Max is unfilmable. He's also fairly one dimension, destroying crime is the mission, and he's an unstoppable force. It's like Hamlet to me, the actor/writer has to make a choice how to play him, the same with batman. The DD Punisher has Frank Castle taking up the mantle; whereas for the Max Punisher, the hell of war is his home and Frank Castle, Family Man, was a lie he told himself. Like a golem made of professional war.
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I completely forgot about the stairwell fight until you mentioned the dogs of war just now haha. People thought that was on par with the hallway and prison fights? Seriously?
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red19fire posted:I agree, Punisher Max is unfilmable. He's also fairly one dimension, destroying crime is the mission, and he's an unstoppable force. It's like Hamlet to me, the actor/writer has to make a choice how to play him, the same with batman. The DD Punisher has Frank Castle taking up the mantle; whereas for the Max Punisher, the hell of war is his home and Frank Castle, Family Man, was a lie he told himself. Like a golem made of professional war. That sounds juvenile and batman did it 60 years ago.
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That whole roof top scene was inspired by a exact scene in Garth Ennis's Punsiher Max series, but they did it waaaaaay better. Punisher is only as good as his supporting cast otherwise it's just watching some guy not talk and brutally murder people. I think the series would be good because Bernthal actually plays Frank as having emotions and being a emotional person which I thought was a interesting take. The more around Daredevil he stays the more emotional he seemed to get. I mean he gave Karen relationship advice.
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Have there been any significant Punisher/Deadpool interactions in the comics? It seems like that could be an interesting duo with Frank playing the straight man but neither of them giving a gently caress about lethality. Or is that already pretty much what Deadpool/Cable is?
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Yeah there's a whole series where Daredevil and few other heroes just decide "gently caress it we're stopping the Punisher". He's shown up in more than a few Daredevil books. I want to say it was the first Marvel Knights team and it was the first volume.
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DrNutt posted:Have there been any significant Punisher/Deadpool interactions in the comics? From googling, at least a little.   I can't give any voice about the quality of it though.
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E: haha whoops, I thought that said Daredevil, not Deadpool
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red19fire posted:I agree, Punisher Max is unfilmable. He's also fairly one dimension, destroying crime is the mission, and he's an unstoppable force. It's like Hamlet to me, the actor/writer has to make a choice how to play him, the same with batman. The DD Punisher has Frank Castle taking up the mantle; whereas for the Max Punisher, the hell of war is his home and Frank Castle, Family Man, was a lie he told himself. Like a golem made of professional war. In the Beginning Mother Russia Up is Down, Black is White The Slavers Barracuda Long Cold Dark Valley Forge All stuff you could put to screen. Take the O'Brien subplot from Man of Stone and drop it somewhere else down the line.
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HIJK posted:E: haha whoops, I thought that said Daredevil, not Deadpool Honestly given how criminal Deadpool is I would be shocked if half their interactions didn't involve Deadpool being repeatedly shot. It's just that he keeps getting better.
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Blazing Ownager posted:Honestly given how criminal Deadpool is I would be shocked if half their interactions didn't involve Deadpool being repeatedly shot. It's just that he keeps getting better. Not even knowing that much about the character, I'm fairly sure most of his interactions with people besides Spiderman are them maiming him in some way most of the time.
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Hollismason posted:That whole roof top scene was inspired by a exact scene in Garth Ennis's Punsiher Max series, but they did it waaaaaay better. Punisher is only as good as his supporting cast otherwise it's just watching some guy not talk and brutally murder people. I liked that take on him, he's kind of the flip side of Wilson Fisk. Fisk, has a ton of barely suppressed rage, that leads to him coming off as a socially awkward, human interactions beyond hitting things is like a second language to him. With Castle, he's a blue collar guy who joined the marines, and for all the horrible things that happened to him, that's still who he is. So when he's not dealing with criminals, he's an apparently normal guy. Who has pushed down his rage for cold rationalism on how best to kill criminals. It's definitely an interesting take. thrakkorzog fucked around with this message at 07:12 on Mar 23, 2016 |
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What's funny is I think everyone here who is a fan of the Ennis Punisher liked this Punisher. I know I did. It hits all the right notes and adds it's own twist. I came out of this wanting a Punisher series, and Kingpin to actually be the primary opponent (again, sort of). It'd own. ED: Also Punisher MAX is not unfilmable, just it'd have to basically be Rambo 4 starring the Punisher. Stallone would have been the perfect age to play Castle in the Max series. Only way it could have been good. Blazing Ownager fucked around with this message at 07:38 on Mar 23, 2016 |
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Knuc U Kinte posted:I completely forgot about the stairwell fight until you mentioned the dogs of war just now haha. People thought that was on par with the hallway and prison fights? Seriously? Maybe not on par but it was fairly good. I was bummed they were doing another cramped hallway fight that felt exactly like S1 but then he enters the stairwell and it keeps going and its pretty cool. It was the second best fight in the season behind the prison. The show really does cramped hallway fights well doesn't it? All the ninja fights were boring as poo poo. We needed more long takes of ninjas getting blasted in hallways.
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Polaron posted:Grant Ward is a fantastic villain Hugo Weaving with Werner Herzog's accent is also good.
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Blazing Ownager posted:PS: Am I the only one to notice there's no more stamina in Daredevil's brawls? They've turned into Hong Kong slap fights, which is exactly what season 1 avoided. Only the Punisher's stuff felt like BRAWLS, now. Them hyping the Dogs of Hell fight as "The hallway scene on crack" missed everything cool about the original scene; the new scene WAS fun and creative, absolutely, but I never felt the blows like the far more low key scene.. and that hurt. This may be silly fanboy reasoning on my part but I'm pretty sure that's because he's wearing an entire bodysuit made of Wilson Fisk's super armor vest from last season. Like I said before, his ability to take a punch is through the roof now and it's gotta be a factor in how much longer he can last and swing for the fences without gassing out like in the first hallway run. He was always outlasting Elektra in their teamups too, like in the trainyard sequence. I like it personally, normally gear upgrades like that are totally blown off or neutralized with equal enemy upgrades to maintain the status quo, but now Daredevil's just plain better than before.
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DrNutt posted:Have there been any significant Punisher/Deadpool interactions in the comics? It seems like that could be an interesting duo with Frank playing the straight man but neither of them giving a gently caress about lethality. Or is that already pretty much what Deadpool/Cable is? Pretty much. Most good Deadpool stories portray him as a broken man who enjoys violence for the sake of violence, but at the same time, he understands that's not socially acceptable, and he wants to reform himself to be a halfway decent human being, but he doesn't quite get normal human interactions. So depending on the writer it can be somewhat heartbreaking to see Deadpool trying to be a hero, only to fail due to his own personal weaknesses, or just a bunch of stupid Chimichanga jokes. thrakkorzog fucked around with this message at 09:43 on Mar 23, 2016 |
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Blazing Ownager posted:ED: Also Punisher MAX is not unfilmable, just it'd have to basically be Rambo 4 starring the Punisher. Stallone would have been the perfect age to play Castle in the Max series. Only way it could have been good. Why not Dolph Lundgren?
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Gargamel Gibson posted:Why not Dolph Lundgren? He's got a nose for sniffing out crimes.
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Gargamel Gibson posted:Why not Dolph Lundgren? He's just too smart and sensible for that part. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipMe6u0Y7cQ
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Rewatching season 1, and it's clear where Elektra got her taste in beer from
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DrNutt posted:Have there been any significant Punisher/Deadpool interactions in the comics? It seems like that could be an interesting duo with Frank playing the straight man but neither of them giving a gently caress about lethality. Or is that already pretty much what Deadpool/Cable is? I remember Deadpool actually being somewhat afraid of Punisher in the early DP runs. He's gotten his rear end kicked at least once, probably more.
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Frank hates Deadpool in The Punisher Kills The Marvel Universe because he won't die and he won't shut the gently caress up. E:I think that's the right book anyways
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Febreeze posted:All the ninja fights were boring as poo poo. We needed more long takes of ninjas getting blasted in hallways. Yeah they really were. Makes me worry about the up coming Iron Fist show, because that plot is going to revolve around the Hand. What else could it be about at this point?
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Kung Food posted:Yeah they really were. Makes me worry about the up coming Iron Fist show, because that plot is going to revolve around the Hand. What else could it be about at this point?
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Yeah I think pretty much everybody is assuming the Madame Gao stuff will tie into Iron Fist. I don't know why people would expect more than that; it's not like the first season of Jessica Jones meaningfully tied into Daredevil. The strongest link between shows so far seems to be Luke Cage's role in JJ.
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Zombies' Downfall posted:Yeah I think pretty much everybody is assuming the Madame Gao stuff will tie into Iron Fist. I don't know why people would expect more than that; it's not like the first season of Jessica Jones meaningfully tied into Daredevil. I hope this remains true in JJ season 2. JJ is such an excellent show.
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GlitchThief posted:I hope this remains true in JJ season 2. JJ is such an excellent show. It'll be interesting to see where it goes from here, since Kilgrave was such a monumental force in Season 1 and is no longer (physically) able to influence things.
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computer parts posted:It'll be interesting to see where it goes from here, since Kilgrave was such a monumental force in Season 1 and is no longer (physically) able to influence things. Yeah; I remember thinking the same thing about Daredevil before Season 2 came out and no doubt Fisk really carried his scenes. Gonna be hard to compensate for lack of Kilgrave, but thankfully he's not the only strong part of the show.
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computer parts posted:It'll be interesting to see where it goes from here, since Kilgrave was such a monumental force in Season 1 and is no longer (physically) able to influence things. My hope is that they elaborate on the IGH stuff next season. They could pretty organically build on Nuke as a villain, but also the premise of an evil Project Rebirth could speak to a wider abortion metaphor. "Stop governing my body," but focused on a patriarchal cabal that controls people's bodies without their consent. I'm picturing something like a conspiracy of pregnant teenagers forced to gestate superhumans, and superhumans being experimented upon like Jessica may have been. Something like that would fit pretty organically with the themes and plots from S1, I think. That's my fanfiction, I guess.
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Xealot posted:My hope is that they elaborate on the IGH stuff next season. They could pretty organically build on Nuke as a villain, but also the premise of an evil Project Rebirth could speak to a wider abortion metaphor. Horrifying to contemplate, and thus perfect for Jessica Jones.
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