|
Zo posted:That's nice now that radar isn't 100% any rainbow orbs. Good move gungho but I really just want more orbs period. Right now I basically only get them during my commute. I go for 8 mile hikes everyday step it up senpai.
|
#
?
Mar 23, 2016 09:52
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 8, 2024 19:18 |
|
|
Inverse posted:I go for 8 mile hikes everyday step it up senpai. I don't bring my phone with me when I go for runs!! That's cool though 8 miles everyday is a lot.
|
|
#
?
Mar 23, 2016 10:04
|
|
|
Zo posted:I don't bring my phone with me when I go for runs!! Gotta be in top form for my waifu.
|
|
#
?
Mar 23, 2016 10:08
|
|
|
Are there any absolutely crucial subs for AA Lucifer that I'm not noticing? I think I have all the good ones, and all the recent ones too with Castor and Akechi.
|
|
#
?
Mar 23, 2016 17:49
|
|
|
silvergoose posted:What? There's a little crown thing that means "resolve". Yeah I know, but I mean like a popup or something. I can't remember which bosses have resolves and I'm too impatient to stop and look for the icon before I start moving orbs.
|
|
#
?
Mar 23, 2016 18:59
|
|
|
nogic posted:Yeah I know, but I mean like a popup or something. I can't remember which bosses have resolves and I'm too impatient to stop and look for the icon before I start moving orbs. Oooookay I think "I'm not willing to spend more than half a second looking at the boss's icons" is not a problem worth solving. Just my personal opinion.
|
|
#
?
Mar 23, 2016 19:04
|
|
|
nogic posted:Yeah I know, but I mean like a popup or something. I can't remember which bosses have resolves and I'm too impatient to stop and look for the icon before I start moving orbs. I think if you're so gung ho about matching colors that you can't take a second to assess your situation then no amount of popups are going to save you.
|
|
#
?
Mar 23, 2016 19:07
|
|
|
I'm a little confused about all this recent A Luci talk. With Pandora's new evo, isn't she strictly better assuming the same sub pool? I fail to see how the ability to use God type Pokemon trumps Pandora's damage control (f u Sopdet) and significantly higher multiplier, especially with Dark's excellent Devil sub pool. Is it just because everyone made an Awoken Haku and is too lazy to reverse back to devil Haku?
|
|
#
?
Mar 23, 2016 19:54
|
|
|
Vlaada Chvatil posted:I'm a little confused about all this recent A Luci talk. With Pandora's new evo, isn't she strictly better assuming the same sub pool? I fail to see how the ability to use God type Pokemon trumps Pandora's damage control (f u Sopdet) and significantly higher multiplier, especially with Dark's excellent Devil sub pool. Is it just because everyone made an Awoken Haku and is too lazy to reverse back to devil Haku? It's not recent at all, A.Luci being good has been a thing for a few months. It has a lot to do with his god-killer awakening.
|
|
#
?
Mar 23, 2016 19:56
|
|
|
Some of us don't have Pandora 
|
|
#
?
Mar 23, 2016 20:08
|
|
|
Vlaada Chvatil posted:I'm a little confused about all this recent A Luci talk. With Pandora's new evo, isn't she strictly better assuming the same sub pool? I fail to see how the ability to use God type Pokemon trumps Pandora's damage control (f u Sopdet) and significantly higher multiplier, especially with Dark's excellent Devil sub pool. Is it just because everyone made an Awoken Haku and is too lazy to reverse back to devil Haku?
|
|
#
?
Mar 23, 2016 20:08
|
|
|
Awoken Luci also has higher HP and RCV multipliers. Him and Panda are similar, and neither is a strict upgrade over the other depending on the dungeon.
|
|
#
?
Mar 23, 2016 20:14
|
|
|
Tir McDohl posted:Awoken Luci also has higher HP and RCV multipliers. Him and Panda are similar, and neither is a strict upgrade over the other depending on the dungeon. Is the slight edge in HP/RCV really worth the downgrade from 16x to 9x? The God-Killer awakening isn't selling me, since Luci is a Devil, and thus can be used on a Pandora team.
|
|
#
?
Mar 23, 2016 20:28
|
|
|
Vlaada Chvatil posted:Is the slight edge in HP/RCV really worth the downgrade from 16x to 9x? He has a base 1.35x attack multiplier for God/Devil, so his multiplier is 1.35*1.35*3*3 = 16.4.
|
|
#
?
Mar 23, 2016 21:15
|
|
|
I like A. Pandora much more as well, mostly cause I'm bad at puzzling and needing a constant six match is annoying. Having the ability to do damage starting at just four dark is just so handy, especially for small fry waves. Plus two pandora actives are way more helpful than two luci ones. e: OnceIWasAnOstrich posted:He has a base 1.35x attack multiplier for God/Devil, so his multiplier is 1.35*1.35*3*3 = 16.4. Kung Food fucked around with this message at 21:26 on Mar 23, 2016 |
|
#
?
Mar 23, 2016 21:23
|
|
|
Pandora's HP/RCV multiplier is 1.56 while Luci's is 1.8. Luci is 16x with 6 orbs while Pandora is 14x, but Pandora can go up to 25x with 8 orbs. This means that with 6, 7, 12 13, 18, 19 or 20 dark orbs Luci does more damage, while Pandora does more with other numbers. The main sub that Luci can use that Pandora cannot is A.Haku (or D/R Haku for Arena). IMO the biggest downside of Luci over Pandora is just that his active is a lot worse.
|
|
#
?
Mar 23, 2016 21:45
|
|
|
Kung Food posted:A. Pandora has a 1.25x atk for demons, so the real comparison is 16.4x versus 25x. So basically Luci is even more of a joke
|
|
#
?
Mar 23, 2016 21:46
|
|
|
Enjoying this discussion because I've done next to 0 play with dark leaders even though I now have a pretty respectable stable of them, but I don't suppose anyone can go back and answer my earlier question? Are there any subs for AA Luci that are *must have* in the same vein as Kalis for A Sakuya/A Ra? I don't have D Valk, for example - is that a deal breaker?
|
|
#
?
Mar 23, 2016 21:46
|
|
|
Plorkyeran posted:Pandora's HP/RCV multiplier is 1.56 while Luci's is 1.8. Luci is 16x with 6 orbs while Pandora is 14x, but Pandora can go up to 25x with 8 orbs. This means that with 6, 7, 12 13, 18, 19 or 20 dark orbs Luci does more damage, while Pandora does more with other numbers. The main sub that Luci can use that Pandora cannot is A.Haku (or D/R Haku for Arena). The main sub that Luci can use that Pandora cannot is Eschamali, actually, and having two of his active is kinda useful on pii/Predra floors. ptp posted:Enjoying this discussion because I've done next to 0 play with dark leaders even though I now have a pretty respectable stable of them, but I don't suppose anyone can go back and answer my earlier question? Are there any subs for AA Luci that are *must have* in the same vein as Kalis for A Sakuya/A Ra? I don't have D Valk, for example - is that a deal breaker? AALuci can either go dark rows, with subs like Machine Hera, DDHaku, Grisar, Pandora or orb enhance/utility with subs like Eschamali and YomiDra. The latter is preferred for Arena it seems, but obviously depends on how much cash you've sunk into this game. There's no one critical "don't bother if you don't have" sub. TheQuietWilds fucked around with this message at 21:50 on Mar 23, 2016 |
|
#
?
Mar 23, 2016 21:48
|
|
|
ptp posted:Enjoying this discussion because I've done next to 0 play with dark leaders even though I now have a pretty respectable stable of them, but I don't suppose anyone can go back and answer my earlier question? Are there any subs for AA Luci that are *must have* in the same vein as Kalis for A Sakuya/A Ra? I don't have D Valk, for example - is that a deal breaker? Any dark orb makers, because he needs 6 to activate. I only use Luci for lazy farming of mythic collab/weekly dungeons, so Descend quality teams are probably different, but I run Hanzo, Bikini Pandora, Akechi and Haku. Farming the latest Dark/Green dog dungeon has been super easy. The final floor has a blind preemptive, but I just Haku->Akechi. The hearts are squares, and everything round is dark 
|
|
#
?
Mar 23, 2016 21:53
|
|
|
'AA' Luci has been 'Archangel' for like 3 years now. A.Bad.Luci, please And less important than any one critical sub is a spread of orb changers, since he's so hungry. Need a fast one or two to keep things rolling, something like Pandora for sub-bosses, and something like Persephone for big spike. The Eschamali build is a different thing, with orb enhancers. Not sure on that since I have none
|
|
#
?
Mar 23, 2016 21:59
|
|
|
problem with A Bad Luci is 1) that's way too much to type and 2) nothing else matters, abbreviations should be easy to type and that one sucks a weiner
|
|
#
?
Mar 23, 2016 22:04
|
|
|
TheQuietWilds posted:The main sub that Luci can use that Pandora cannot is Eschamali, actually, and having two of his active is kinda useful on pii/Predra floors. Or purple shieldra.
|
|
#
?
Mar 23, 2016 22:16
|
|
|
I thought you meant archangel luci as well. Which left me wondering that if you had good subs for him, you probably have a much better leaderPlorkyeran posted:The main sub that Luci can use that Pandora cannot is A.Haku (or D/R Haku for Arena). Is Awoken Haku even a better sub over D/D Haku for Luci? You trade rows for prongs and lose 300 atk. Personally I miss not having D/G Persephone way more than A. Haku on my Pandora team.
|
|
#
?
Mar 23, 2016 22:24
|
|
|
Wait, so is Yomi dragon worse than luci/a. pandora now?
|
|
#
?
Mar 24, 2016 00:38
|
|
|
Can't we just say AD Luci and be done with it? Or AAD Luci if you want to be exact/pedantic about it.
|
|
#
?
Mar 24, 2016 00:41
|
|
|
change my name posted:Wait, so is Yomi dragon worse than luci/a. pandora now? For a maxed out end game team? Yeah of course. That useless 5 match is gonna be a row on the other teams which instantly more than doubles their damage. You gotta remember yomidra does less damage than bastet which is over a year old now. Yomidra was always about ease of use, especially for scrubs, which he is still the absolute best at.
|
|
#
?
Mar 24, 2016 00:48
|
|
|
Yeah YomiDra is my go to no effort can clear 80-90% of the game team. It's like stupid loving easy to use and can survive/heal a ridiculous amount of poo poo. Can't wait to buy Ra Dragon for the actual endgame (and maybe put together an actual A Pandora team)
|
|
#
?
Mar 24, 2016 00:51
|
|
|
https://setsupad.wordpress.com/category/puzzle-dragons/reviews/jp-tier-list/ It's listed as top of the top tier along with Ra chicken on JP though. I guess if you built it more prongy, or more orb enhanced it would be better? Even without rows 36x is nothing to sneeze at.
|
|
#
?
Mar 24, 2016 01:07
|
|
|
Kung Food posted:https://setsupad.wordpress.com/category/puzzle-dragons/reviews/jp-tier-list/ The tier list assumes you've got literally perfect team (YomiDra+YomiDra/Eschamali or YomiDra+Eschamali/Eschamali at minimum, of course all hypermaxed with five latents). For people who haven't sold the family farm for PAD stones YomiDra's offense is not as good as Pandora's. He definitely has the best natural survivability and utility of any of the shame-whales though, with bind-immune bind clearing, heart-making+haste active and a lot of time extension to work with.
|
|
#
?
Mar 24, 2016 01:17
|
|
|
Kung Food posted:https://setsupad.wordpress.com/category/puzzle-dragons/reviews/jp-tier-list/ Yes, because it's brainless to activate, like we said. The other big JP site is more endgame focused and demoted yomidra way down, to the lowest relevant rank: http://xn--0ck4aw2h.gamewith.jp/article/show/14672 Which is correct, again, for end game. 36x with a useless 5 match (which can't trigger prongs or rows) is, in fact, sneezed at by the current end game.
|
|
#
?
Mar 24, 2016 01:17
|
|
|
Kung Food posted:https://setsupad.wordpress.com/category/puzzle-dragons/reviews/jp-tier-list/ Game 8 has always just been an easy troll and moderately fun to discuss.
|
|
#
?
Mar 24, 2016 01:19
|
|
|
Kung Food posted:https://setsupad.wordpress.com/category/puzzle-dragons/reviews/jp-tier-list/ a) Don't pay that much attention to tier lists when people in this thread can tell you if a particular monster is good for A, B, or both. The tier lists are by nature flawed since they cannot account for everything/ b) That's a loving *old* tier list. Try this one: https://setsupad.wordpress.com/2016/03/19/jp-aggregate-leader-list-trial-week-6/
|
|
#
?
Mar 24, 2016 01:23
|
|
|
So, what do those tiers really mean beyond "this is better than this"? I'm curious because Saria places really high in all of them; am I still going to need to pay a million stones or whatever to reach endgame, or am I fairly well-off with her and just need to start leveling her and my other people (and ranking up so I can actually use them due to team cost limits)?
|
|
#
?
Mar 24, 2016 01:44
|
|
|
Roland Jones posted:So, what do those tiers really mean beyond "this is better than this"? I'm curious because Saria places really high in all of them; am I still going to need to pay a million stones or whatever to reach endgame, or am I fairly well-off with her and just need to start leveling her and my other people (and ranking up so I can actually use them due to team cost limits)? I'm pretty sure those lists are just spergs being spergs and they shouldn't be taken too seriously. One size rarely fits all in this silly game and the list won't tell you that. Saria is really good and you should develop that team because that's the good leader you have.
|
|
#
?
Mar 24, 2016 01:59
|
|
|
Roland Jones posted:So, what do those tiers really mean beyond "this is better than this"? I'm curious because Saria places really high in all of them; am I still going to need to pay a million stones or whatever to reach endgame, or am I fairly well-off with her and just need to start leveling her and my other people (and ranking up so I can actually use them due to team cost limits)? Generally speaking if you're still limited by team cost then you're still a ways off of having to worry about the sort of endgame stuff these tier lists are talking about. If you've got a leader you can reasonably invest in that factors in well in most tier lists you've probably got a solid starting point. Saria/Thor have the advantage of being very easy to work with because there's no activation. If you're new I'd advise keeping a second team with some more complicated activation to mess around on from time to time just so you don't get super lazy and then have a *huge* skill curve to climb if you ever have to change teams.
|
|
#
?
Mar 24, 2016 02:09
|
|
|
Roland Jones posted:So, what do those tiers really mean beyond "this is better than this"? I'm curious because Saria places really high in all of them; am I still going to need to pay a million stones or whatever to reach endgame, or am I fairly well-off with her and just need to start leveling her and my other people (and ranking up so I can actually use them due to team cost limits)? Most of those tier lists boil down to "if you have these mons fully developed, the suggested subs fully developed, and the skill to use them (you need all three), then you will do well in what is currently considered the most difficult content". Each tier list has different ways to score the mons but, if you see your mon in there, then it means that it is quite powerful. Saria is pretty drat good but she does require a good team around her to clear endgame stuff. But reaching that point takes months upon months so don't worry too much about it, Saria plus any trash will do short work of most regular stuff. By the time you get close to the endgame you will have collected all kinds of interesting stuff and alternate leaders and such.
|
|
#
?
Mar 24, 2016 02:16
|
|
|
ptp posted:Generally speaking if you're still limited by team cost then you're still a ways off of having to worry about the sort of endgame stuff these tier lists are talking about. If you've got a leader you can reasonably invest in that factors in well in most tier lists you've probably got a solid starting point. Saria/Thor have the advantage of being very easy to work with because there's no activation. If you're new I'd advise keeping a second team with some more complicated activation to mess around on from time to time just so you don't get super lazy and then have a *huge* skill curve to climb if you ever have to change teams. I also have two Isis (both during the Japanese 1.0 godfest + Light Gala for some reason, though that's also where Saria and all my light guys came from) and GZL for decent/worthwhile leaders, though they aren't as endgame-capable from what I hear. My current monsters, for reference. I got pretty lucky during that godfest; saving up all my stones (and admittedly paying a little money; Saria was my last pull of the day there actually) was worth it. Dunno how endgame-capable all those are but it's been working pretty well so far, outside of when I wind up jumping into something way over my head or taking a not-great helper for this or that situation.
|
|
#
?
Mar 24, 2016 02:28
|
|
|
3x skill-up apparently starts Friday. A brand new exciting way to get no skill ups and get angry at the game!
|
|
#
?
Mar 24, 2016 02:35
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 8, 2024 19:18 |
|
|
Tier lists are dumb. Play what you like. A.Lucy/A.Panda are cool and really good. The only thing worrying about playing the best lead does is decrease the size of your wallet.
|
|
#
?
Mar 24, 2016 02:35
|
|
