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this list was clearly timed to coincide with PMQs, meaning that someone actively tried to sabotage corbyn's performance. if this means media forces or that the internal opposition has taken leave of their senses entirely and decided to give the tories a helping hand, i don't know if it's a media source, this is probably a serious blunder on part of the corbyn crew. if it's a labour mp i'd feel comfortable saying that this is napkin scrawling at best and outright falsification at worst
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forkboy84 posted:What, by holding Team Corbyn to some basic standards of "doing 21st century politics"? No, I'm entirely sincere in thinking that they keep making basic fuckups which are going to prevent them from winning in 2020. There's no evidence to suggest anybody in charge actually wrote the list or that it has anything whatsoever to do with labour. Unless you're suggesting that the labour leadership needs to mind control the entire population of the british isles to stop papers making up non existant stories about a list I could write in ten minutes I don't know what you expect.
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Spangly A posted:oh. Well if a terrorist attack doesn't put us at a majority Leave I guess that's it wrapped up. depends on how both campaigns use it. I mean obviously even the UKIP-types won't come straight out and say "EUROPE = TERRORISTS" but expect lots of "well, as we can see by tragic events in Brussels..." being used by both sides. I still say the weather is going to be the decider. If it pisses with rain Leave has a fair chance if they're still within 4 or 5 points in the polls.
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Mar 23, 2016 17:13
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The silver lining here is that the majority of the population doesn't watch or care much about PMQ's. The headlines recently have been dominated by Tory gently caress-ups, with the budget, followed by IDS, followed by the junior doctor's strike escalating. Stories about a list of disloyal Labour MPs aren't really even that damaging to Labour, given that everyone already knows how split the PLP is.
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Pissflaps posted:Flattering but I'm sure there's more than just me in this thread who is a good poster. Who else is a good poster in this thread, flaps?
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Mar 23, 2016 17:18
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Random Integer posted:I've got a list and you're all on it. Its got three headings 'Good Posters', 'Bad Posters' and 'Pissflaps'. Are saying Pissflaps transcends normal descriptions of posting?
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Mar 23, 2016 17:24
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http://www.buzzfeed.com/jimwaterson/core-group-negative-is-a-good-name-for-a-metal-band#.vqrmYVqZe There's a buzzfeed quiz already. I got core group plus.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:depends on how both campaigns use it. I mean obviously even the UKIP-types won't come straight out and say "EUROPE = TERRORISTS" Hah, you're such an optimist http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-35879670 quote:Nigel Farage has insisted he was "wholly justified" to link the Brussels attacks and EU migration rules. [...]
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Hoops posted:http://www.buzzfeed.com/jimwaterson/core-group-negative-is-a-good-name-for-a-metal-band#.vqrmYVqZe I eat the pepperoni pizza of committed socialism every day
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Mar 23, 2016 17:37
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MrL_JaKiri posted:I eat the pepperoni pizza of committed socialism every day I wasn't sure what to pick but I do like pepperoni pizza.
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Mar 23, 2016 17:40
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StoneOfShame posted:Are saying Pissflaps transcends normal descriptions of posting?
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Mar 23, 2016 17:41
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OwlFancier posted:I wasn't sure what to pick but I do like pepperoni pizza. Except tonight, I'm having a ham and pineapple pizza. One of the in store sainsbury's ones that are surprisingly nice
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Mar 23, 2016 17:42
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Pissflaps is neither good or bad for he is a flap in his own league. Also it was me who sent the list to the press. You all thought it was Corby's fault but it was me! Zero!
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Mar 23, 2016 17:44
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MrL_JaKiri posted:I eat the pepperoni pizza of committed socialism every day Maybe, but I think we both know the important question is which Taylor Swift you chose?
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Increasingly disturbed taylor swift.
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BBC 6 music just played Poem by She Drew the Gun, which is a very Correct song. Sample lyrics: Now they take away our right, to fight those laws for free no legal aid, no more justice, only for the wealthy Oh but they're trying to build a more healthy society So that everybody knows you don't get nothin' for free No scroungers, no living room loungers, living off me Can I suggest you're seeing exactly what they want you to see a monster, cancer, threat to your liberty How 'bout a scapegoat for their crimes, a victim of the times everything that you're not meant to be How 'bout a badly prepared, scared human being how about a necessary cog in their economic machines If there was no unemployment tell me how would things be would you still feel lucky to be working 40 hours a week 6 music seems more lefty than the rest of the BBC in general I think.
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Mar 23, 2016 17:55
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MrL_JaKiri posted:Hah, you're such an optimist Why on Earth would I ever have thought that?
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Mar 23, 2016 17:57
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I thought Corbyn's line "if I could the PM to leave the theatre and return to reality" was very good. After the braying and jeering, which no-one likes apart from MPs, it was the first thing he said. Methinks the piss doth flap too much
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Mar 23, 2016 17:59
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MrL_JaKiri posted:Hah, you're such an optimist Even if every country in Europe sealed every single border, with big gently caress-off walls and guns and everything, we're still an island. All you need to smuggle Kalashnikovs into Britain is a boat and some luck.
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Mar 23, 2016 18:07
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Build a big wall around the edges! And reinstate National Service to find people to do it! Are Boys!
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Mar 23, 2016 18:10
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NO gently caress YOU DAD posted:Thank God Ireland opted to stay out of Schengen, preventing thousands of weapons from finding their way into Irish dissident hands and thus ensuring the Troubles remained a small argument that's barely worth mentioning. [that scene from johnny english where the UK gets turned into a giant prison with walls around it.gif]
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Dabir posted:Build a big wall around the edges! And reinstate National Service to find people to do it! Are Boys! It'll be built by people on workfare working for free for a giant, incompetent foreign company that doesn't pay its taxes, then it'll be manned by G4S.
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nopantsjack posted:It'll be built by people on workfare working for free for a giant, incompetent foreign company that doesn't pay its taxes, then it'll be manned by G4S.
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Mar 23, 2016 18:35
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The thing is, even if you sealed the borders, you can 3D print a gun and find instructions on how to make explosives on Google. Even if you round up and deport all the Muslims, the average internet connection in the UK is fast enough to download a .txt copy of the Koran hundreds if not thousands of times a minute (which as we know is the most accurate measure of extremism we have). I know I'm preaching to the converted, but I feel like the majority of people voting Leave are doing so because they think it's a magic button that will transport us back to an idealized version of 1953 and not to an even shitter 2016 where not only do we still get blown up but we also get less holiday. Every time I think about how stupid this all is I get a headache.
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I just want to say again that I wish I could be shocked at Labour getting level with the Tories in the polls, the Tories being ripe for the taking and all some anonymous PLP idiots can do is try to attack Jeremy Corbyn again. I mean I know they're at each other's throats right now but at least the Tory party know when to close ranks and press an advantage.
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Mar 23, 2016 18:42
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The list was from January - my money's on it leaking then and someone sitting on it waiting for a moment when the Tories needed a helping hand.
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Mar 23, 2016 18:46
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Pissflaps posted:I'm not sure if you're having some sort of episode but tying yourself up into knots over the simple fact that Corbyn shat the bed during what should have been a piss easy PMQs will not help you or him. Annoying, isn't it, when someone ignores the conversation to nitpick? Have we learned anything?
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Mar 23, 2016 19:01
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forkboy84 posted:Of course they do. But they'd never let it leak out. That's problem I have. I agree it's a nothing event in itself, but it's also plain that the media would run with it. It's the same old canard: stop making it so easy for them to talk dirt about Corbyn. If this was Blair the list would never have gone out of Alistair Campbell's greasy mitts. But team Corbyn is rank amateur when it comes to that poo poo. The Tories are coming apart at the seams & now that poo poo has been diverted to talk about more Labour disunity.
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Trickjaw posted:Annoying, isn't it, when someone ignores the conversation to nitpick? Have we learned anything? That you're unstable?
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I dont think that's what he was getting at, flaps.
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Mar 23, 2016 19:17
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Pissflaps posted:That's not a denial of its authenticity. Well yeah because he can't deny that the list is 'real' if he never saw it before today and has no idea who wrote it. It could be a completely genuine list written up by an idiot. Then if he just says "It's fake" and said idiot comes forward and says "Actually...", that's ammo against Corbyn. All he can do is disavow its contents, which he did. The problem is that the baldfaced nonsense of the list is not being reported on very much! Also, what is the story here? The party leadership wants to know who they can rely on and who is more likely to need convincing? Literally someone needs to explain to me, as they would to a feeble-minded child, what this list matters even if it was written in Corbyn's penmanship and signed with his own blood?
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NO gently caress YOU DAD posted:you can 3D print a gun Funnily enough I was just saying elsewhere how much I hate the way people use the phrase "3d printing" as a universal solution to all problems. I mean in this case it is a solution to a problem, the problem of people being stupid enough to make something containing very high-pressure gas in plastic having fingers, but it's not really the solution to any other problems to do with gun control.
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Mister Adequate posted:Also, what is the story here? The party leadership wants to know who they can rely on and who is more likely to need convincing? Literally someone needs to explain to me, as they would to a feeble-minded child, what this list matters even if it was written in Corbyn's penmanship and signed with his own blood? Well you see this would prove Corbyn believes some people in the Labour party might not like him very much. This is clearly hot news.
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Mar 23, 2016 19:29
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Pissflaps posted:That you're unstable? Well, that told me. It makes much more sense why you despise Corbyn, he doesn't resort to personal attacks. Also, I would much rather be 'unstable' than an intractable, plodding, obstinate wooden spoon. But enough of this, pm me if you need to radiate your superiority.
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Pissflaps posted:If the Blairites had made up a list I'm confident they'd have done a better job of not including dead people. They thought Liz Kendall had a chance of winning the leadership election, Blairites are actually thick as poo poo.
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Trickjaw posted:Well, that told me. It makes much more sense why you despise Corbyn, he doesn't resort to personal attacks. Also, I would much rather be 'unstable' than an intractable, plodding, obstinate wooden spoon. But enough of this, pm me if you need to radiate your superiority. I don't need to pm you to do that but thank you for the kind offer anyway.
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Mar 23, 2016 19:48
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loving hell labour sort your loving house out.
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Has Trickjaw ever cried about the opening hours of B&Q?
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serious gaylord posted:loving hell labour sort your loving house out. Apparently they have and the list is, in fact, a fabrication. Gonzo McFee posted:Has Trickjaw ever cried about the opening hours of B&Q? There's nothing wrong with being in touch with your feelings.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Funnily enough I was just saying elsewhere how much I hate the way people use the phrase "3d printing" as a universal solution to all problems. Both because that's what it is and also because it forces them to acknowledge that subtractive machining has been used to make perfectly functional guns that aren't pieces of poo poo since the 18th century. And that 'but you can download a gun from the internets  ' applies just as much to downloading CNC pattern files, and yet there has never been a tabloid terror about CNC mills or lathes that I can remember.You're right that any type of machine tool availability doesn't really have much to do with street-level gun crime, although it might be more of an issue when looking at organized crime or disciplined terror cells. British terror cells can't even make a gas cylinder explode and end up being kicked in the nads while on fire though, so maybe it's not so much an issue in the UK.  Maybe that's why they got rid of metalwork in schools, to keep are terrorists dumb. 
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