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Watching San Marino 05 again so good, and to think that today such an amazing last 12 laps wouldn't be possible because of lovely DRS... God F1 is so poo poo these days
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In regards to driving games, in the UK Currys are reportedly running a promotion on Monday for the Logitech G29. Price £99. Significant discount, if its true.
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Mar 26, 2016 11:18
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El Hefe posted:Watching San Marino 05 again so good, and to think that today such an amazing last 12 laps wouldn't be possible because of lovely DRS...
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Mar 26, 2016 14:24
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Yeah. 2006 was really really good, though.
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Mar 26, 2016 15:07
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El Hefe posted:Watching San Marino 05 again so good, and to think that today such an amazing last 12 laps wouldn't be possible because of lovely DRS... that San Marino is coming up on 10 years since its last GP and we continue to collect lovely tracks in horrible countries thanks to petrobucks tells you all you need to know about the state of F1
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Mar 26, 2016 16:32
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Is it that F1 lost tobacco money and had to fill the void with people like Petronas, car manufacturers and sodding red bull, and a lot of old tracks couldn't afford to keep up with the FIA's ongoing safety program as it would have meant massive redesigns to the track and pits, where as the people in oil rich dusty countries could afford to build tracks from scratch which meet the safety criteria and state subsidise them?
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Mar 26, 2016 16:58
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Bernie considers F1 races to be a business networking opportunity with some pesky motorsport attached. Any old tracks are told their 'facilities aren't up to standards' and to spend money to improve them or he'll take their race elsewhere. Also you're competing with oil barons with bottomless pockets who will pay absurd amounts for the privilege of hosting the privileged, so that's the new market rate for hosting a race, pay up or get lost.
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Mar 26, 2016 17:06
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Don't get me wrong I love Brands Hatch and Donnington but they simply are not set up for formula1 now. Even if Bernie said they could have it for free it probably would not be worth it for them, both tracks are doing very nicely without the F1 at the moment and they wouldn't want to shut down for months doing upgrades for just once race a year when regular customers are happy with them the way they are, and might get pissed off if they get neutered by Tilke, the fans that attend certainly would be.
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Mar 26, 2016 17:50
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1500quidporsche posted:Has Dallara had any real success when they weren't the sole manufacturer of a series? They own Formula 3, to the extent they're often the sole manufacturer because no-one can live with them.
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Mar 26, 2016 17:55
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Look at this whiner (whinger?) whining (whinging?) about F1! A man for the worst thread if ever there was one. Fedoras off to this man. https://formerf1doc.wordpress.com/2016/03/26/its-not-you-its-me/
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Mar 26, 2016 18:27
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Rev. Dr. Moses P. Lester posted:Look at this whiner (whinger?) whining (whinging?) about F1! A man for the worst thread if ever there was one. Fedoras off to this man. That is quite the rant. Cant help but think he would have been better off just sticking to the really damning stuff about safety if it's his real concern, intersecting it with a rant about quali and complaints about how F1 is run rather ruined the impact.
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Mar 26, 2016 18:45
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learnincurve posted:That is quite the rant. Cant help but think he would have been better off just sticking to the really damning stuff about safety if it's his real concern, intersecting it with a rant about quali and complaints about how F1 is run rather ruined the impact. Its a combination of factors though, he was a long term F1 fan before he became the track Doc, so he can see the system is failing in every way, not just in his area of expertise. Its a good rant with all good points, and it does sum up the situation but it is a rant, so it could have been done better; probably when he isn't fuelled by Easter excess.
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Mar 26, 2016 18:54
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Rev. Dr. Moses P. Lester posted:Look at this whiner (whinger?) whining (whinging?) about F1! A man for the worst thread if ever there was one. Fedoras off to this man. He's 100% right about everything he says F1 is in shambles and Bernie and Toad are both corrupt old crooks
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Mar 26, 2016 19:31
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I would think the biggest problem F1 has is that hosting a race is a massive financial disaster for literally everyone who does it. This cannot be a sustainable sport. Yet they never even hint at addressing this issue. It's just tires and aero.
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Mar 26, 2016 19:37
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Rev. Dr. Moses P. Lester posted:I would think the biggest problem F1 has is that hosting a race is a massive financial disaster for literally everyone who does it. This cannot be a sustainable sport. Yet they never even hint at addressing this issue. It's just tires and aero. probably because it's been a "financial disaster" for years and yet everyone seems to find ways to make it work. plus it's a comically easy problem to solve: lower the race fees.
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Mar 26, 2016 19:42
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Ticket prices go down, tracks can't afford to pay Bernie, Bernie isn't going to stop miking every last penny he can out of this sport until the day his calcified heart stops beating because he knows drat well none of his children are ever going to be able to make money for themselves.
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Mar 26, 2016 19:50
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Breaking news: Kamui Kobayashi has a real drive and does not have to resort to Formula E! He's replacing Alexander Wurz at Toyota in the WEC.
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Mar 26, 2016 19:58
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learnincurve posted:Breaking news: Kamui Kobayashi has a real drive and does not have to resort to Formula E! He's replacing Alexander Wurz at Toyota in the WEC. I guess he really was the Wurz
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Mar 26, 2016 20:00
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Yeah COTA's deal is stupid and look at how much they lost last year. I wonder what the true numbers are in Korea too, that has to be half a billion in the hole and even more if you count the potential earnings they were expecting.
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Mar 26, 2016 20:00
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learnincurve posted:Ticket prices go down, tracks can't afford to pay Bernie, Bernie isn't going to stop miking every last penny he can out of this sport until the day his calcified heart stops beating because he knows drat well none of his children are ever going to be able to make money for themselves. he can't milk every penny out of something that doesn't exist
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Mar 26, 2016 20:09
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be nice wicka posted:he can't milk every penny out of something that doesn't exist You think Bernie actually cares if the sport dies before he does at this point?
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Mar 26, 2016 20:23
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learnincurve posted:You think Bernie actually cares if the sport dies before he does at this point? yes. and so do the rest of the FOM partners. all of them are very good at making money off the sport. making slightly less money is better driving it into nonexistence and making no money at all. this isn't rocket science. there is no danger whatsoever to F1 here. none at all. the sky is not falling. can we please calm down?
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Mar 26, 2016 20:28
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be nice wicka posted:yes. and so do the rest of the FOM partners. all of them are very good at making money off the sport. making slightly less money is better driving it into nonexistence and making no money at all. this isn't rocket science. there is no danger whatsoever to F1 here. none at all. the sky is not falling. can we please calm down? Where's the photo of that Iraqi minister guy when you need it
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Mar 26, 2016 20:29
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i cannot fathom anything dumber than thinking the folks who have billions of dollars invested in F1 existing are going to make it not exist
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Mar 26, 2016 20:32
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Yeah people never make bad decisions that lead them to lose lots of money and their business to fail
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Mar 26, 2016 20:37
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El Hefe posted:Yeah people never make bad decisions that lead them to lose lots of money and their business to fail people have been to the moon ergo i am going to the moon
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Mar 26, 2016 20:39
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wicka is the blackberry guy who in 2007 was "everything's cool, no problem here"
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Mar 26, 2016 20:43
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Wicka has never seen that reality show with Bernie's daughters on it. They have the collective intelligence of a spoon.
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Mar 26, 2016 20:46
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learnincurve posted:Wicka has never seen that reality show with Bernie's daughters on it. They have the collective intelligence of a spoon. yeah this sounds super relevant to the topic at hand
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Mar 26, 2016 20:51
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El Hefe posted:wicka is the blackberry guy who in 2007 was "everything's cool, no problem here" promoter fees are too expensive, yet people keep building new race tracks the audience is falling, yet people keep paying more and more for TV rights budgets are too high, yet new teams are joining, with new sponsors and new partners explain to me again why F1 is in trouble? because it's on a network that's inconvenient?
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Mar 26, 2016 20:53
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be nice wicka posted:yeah this sounds super relevant to the topic at hand Bernie has one weakness and it's his daughters. He's not bleeding this sport dry so that he can go sit on top of a mound of jewels in a cave, he's doing it so that they and his grand kids will be OK when he dies, and does not give on iota of a gently caress if it's at the expense of the sport or not.
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christ, no. you are not going to sit here and suggest that bernie is going to force F1 out of business solely to benefit his daughters. this thread is the worst but it isn't THAT worst. that's pure loving insanity. bernie is the CEO of FOM but he's no longer the sole owner. CVC doesn't give a gently caress about his daughters. not that your insane suggestion even requires a rebuttal. wicka fucked around with this message at 21:07 on Mar 26, 2016 |
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Mar 26, 2016 21:05
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absurdly rich people have a very disconnected view of reality and wicka has this same point of view so the question stands wicka are you Bernie or Todt
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"disconnected view of reality" aka not an insane person OK sure thanks
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go3 posted:absurdly rich people have a very disconnected view of reality and wicka has this same point of view so the question stands wicka are you Bernie or Todt trick question, he's dietrich mateschitz
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Mar 26, 2016 21:12
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if F1 is so obviously failing then it should be easy to explain why every objective metric suggests otherwise
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Mar 26, 2016 21:14
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be nice wicka posted:if F1/housing is so obviously failing then it should be easy to explain why every objective metric suggests otherwise Said the real estate investor in late 2007.
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be nice wicka posted:promoter fees are too expensive, yet people keep building new race tracks Because that money does not filter though to the teams. It's one thing being able to survive as a team but it's another to have the money to throw into development. Why the hell should they be fighting to stay afloat anyway? It's the teams that own the equipment, factories and cars, it's the circuit owners who own the tracks and the FIA who make the rules. We could easily cut out the FOM by having someone like Sky and the BBC take over filming. So what is the point of the sport owners and Bernie, and why do they get the vast majority of the money without investing any of it back in?
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MattD1zzl3 posted:Said the real estate investor in late 2007. no, because every objective measure did suggest imminent failure, they all simply ignored it because they didn't think it was possible. plus, again, it is just a meaningless and irrelevant comparison. seriously, all of you are posting NOTHING. you sit and act like i'm crazy for not thinking F1 is collapsing but when pressed for evidence you provide none. if it's so obvious, explain yourselves. learnincurve posted:Because that money does not filter though to the teams. It's one thing being able to survive as a team but it's another to have the money to throw into development. Why the hell should they be fighting to stay afloat anyway? It's the teams that own the equipment, factories and cars, it's the circuit owners who own the tracks and the FIA who make the rules. We could easily cut out the FOM by having someone like Sky and the BBC take over filming. So what is the point of the sport owners and Bernie, and why do they get the vast majority of the money without investing any of it back in? 63% of FOM profits go to the teams
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wicka have you considered getting treatment for whatever is that you have
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