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If its been posted already feel free to call me dumb, otherwise join me in intense anger at Andrew Wakefield's upcoming documentary. Its apparently very important to start a conversation.
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Not Operator posted:If its been posted already feel free to call me dumb, otherwise join me in intense anger at Andrew Wakefield's upcoming documentary. Thankfully they just announced it will not be screened at Tribeca
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Mar 27, 2016 05:01
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CommieGIR posted:Thankfully they just announced it will not be screened at Tribeca The medicinal-industrial complex wins again.   
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Mar 27, 2016 05:13
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Wakefield deserves to be in prison, or a mental institute at the very least. That he's actually dumb enough to believe what he says is questionable and he's leading the charge in causing untold amounts of preventable death and suffering.
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Mar 27, 2016 05:48
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Evil Fluffy posted:Wakefield deserves to be in prison, or a mental institute at the very least. That he's actually dumb enough to believe what he says is questionable and he's leading the charge in causing untold amounts of preventable death and suffering. The man made stuff up in order to profit off a patent he owned (owns? probably still owns it) through unethical testing done to children. He's a horrible fraud not mentally ill.
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Mar 27, 2016 07:36
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Isn't he completely forbidden from practicing medicine at this point? I seem to remember that medicine gave him a big 
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Mar 27, 2016 08:41
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ToxicSlurpee posted:Isn't he completely forbidden from practicing medicine at this point? I seem to remember that medicine gave him a big Pretty sure he is, he was also forced to retract his original paper from 30 years ago very shortly after its publication because it was spurious bullshit. But that doesn't stop the people who believed him then, continuing to believe him, nor does it stop him from continuing to pander to them because it pays well. He ought to be loving locked up, but then, so should anyone else with any kind of authority who touts anti-vaxx bullshit. But they won't be 
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Mar 27, 2016 11:01
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Once you've got it into your head that Doctors are all conspiring to cause autism in children, the idea that the original concept was widely discredited, the doctor stripped of his title, and them never being allowed to practice medicine again doesn't matter because that's just what they want you to believe Once you reach a critical point of crazy it's impossible to reason with. Anything, no matter how it plays out, merely reinforces existing belief. It would almost be funny if it wasn't such a huge public health issue. The idea that there are literally children out there who have died, and will continue to die, because an easily preventable disease is allowed to take root makes my blood boil.
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Mar 27, 2016 14:36
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Most anti-vaxxers have no idea who Wakefield is. They are just going on what other parents have said. It's a big whisper machine. I haven't met many parents who are strictly anti-vax but I've met plenty who are trying to space them out because their gut feeling is that there are too many vaccinations done at once. (Not me, my kid has had every vaccination available)
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Mar 27, 2016 19:04
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Robert De Niro accused of censorship after yanking anti-vaccine movie from film festivalquote:A day after he defended the decision to screen the documentary “Vaxxed: From Cover-Up to Catastrophe,” festival co-founder Robert De Niro announced in a statement Saturday that he reversed course after reviewing the film with colleagues and experts. Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 20:59 on Mar 27, 2016 |
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Mar 27, 2016 20:31
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95% of the antivaxx comments on this are probably "BIG PHARMA MANIPULATING A FILM FESTIVAL" when presumably the film was pulled for being poo poo
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Mar 27, 2016 20:44
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De Niro is out of his mind for even considering showing the film and giving it any publicity whatsoever. Christ what an idiot/rear end in a top hat.
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Mar 27, 2016 20:59
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Ran Mad Dog posted:De Niro is out of his mind for even considering showing the film and giving it any publicity whatsoever. Not everyone has the same level of background knowledge on this that we do. De Niro is also in the most vulnerable population; he's a wealthy, public figure with media access and he has a child with autism. He's a prime target for these hucksters. He backed away, and that was the right thing to do.
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Mar 27, 2016 21:00
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Ran Mad Dog posted:De Niro is out of his mind for even considering showing the film and giving it any publicity whatsoever. Yeah I don't really have an issue with him considering it. He's an actor/director first and foremost, why wouldn't he at least consider the film for his film festival? Since it's Wakefield there were probably a bunch of antivaxx crazy people writing in and asking for the film to be shown, it'd be crazy to not consider it. Someone who's unaware of who Wakefield is might not have any reason to assume that the film would be garbage. I also prefer the situation where the film gets reviewed and rejected than the situation where the film gets rejected outright without anyone at the festival having seen it, despite a sufficiently large support base. Rejecting it after a viewing gives more legitimacy to the rejection, which won't matter to antivaxxers but would matter to people who sit between the two camps. QuarkJets fucked around with this message at 21:07 on Mar 27, 2016 |
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Mar 27, 2016 21:05
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Normally I'd agree (with the last two posts), but people are far too irrational/dumb about anti-vax garbage, and giving Wakefield even a moment of publicity or perceived legitimacy is irresponsible. Also, the film was actually accepted before it was rejected, and if De Niro wasn't on the fence about the issue then it was his responsibility to screen it out immediately before giving anti-vaxxers a bigger and more public chance to convert their idiot friends ("the film was considered/accepted for Tribeca!!") or with conspiracy poo poo ("they're silencing THE TRUTH look at this article!!!"). There are a ton of films that just get screened out of big film festivals like this and no one hears anything about them, but in this case he hosed up pretty bad by initially deciding to let it in. Ran Mad Dog fucked around with this message at 23:16 on Mar 27, 2016 |
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Mar 27, 2016 23:02
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Ran Mad Dog posted:Normally I'd agree (with the last two posts), but people are far too irrational/dumb about anti-vax garbage, and giving Wakefield even a moment of publicity or perceived legitimacy is irresponsible. But did Robert De Niro know that? Probably not. He probably assumed it was just another interesting documentary about a topic with a lot of national interest. Normally this would be fine. “But after reviewing it over the past few days with the Tribeca Film Festival team and others from the scientific community, we do not believe it contributes to or furthers the discussion I had hoped for.” I see absolutely nothing wrong with reversing course on this after consulting with experts. Yes, he probably should have educated himself on this sooner, but for a movie festival that standard is a bit unreasonable.
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Mar 28, 2016 03:19
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QuarkJets posted:But did Robert De Niro know that? Probably not. He probably assumed it was just another interesting documentary about a topic with a lot of national interest. Normally this would be fine. “But after reviewing it over the past few days with the Tribeca Film Festival team and others from the scientific community, we do not believe it contributes to or furthers the discussion I had hoped for.” DeNiro has a child with autism. I guarantee he knows about Wakefield and the craziness about autism and vaccines.
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Mar 28, 2016 22:14
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QuarkJets posted:But did Robert De Niro know that? Probably not. He probably assumed it was just another interesting documentary about a topic with a lot of national interest. Normally this would be fine. “But after reviewing it over the past few days with the Tribeca Film Festival team and others from the scientific community, we do not believe it contributes to or furthers the discussion I had hoped for.” That's a pretty great statement actually.
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Mar 28, 2016 22:15
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Fionnoula posted:DeNiro has a child with autism. I guarantee he knows about Wakefield and the craziness about autism and vaccines. Hearing about the fake autism / vaccine link is a far cry from knowing about Wakefield and all of the shady poo poo he did.
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Mar 29, 2016 00:45
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It's also entirely possible he heard about all of that, but assumed the documentary would be informative and not be basically a propaganda piece.
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Mar 29, 2016 02:26
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Buried alive posted:It's also entirely possible he heard about all of that, but assumed the documentary would be informative and not be basically a propaganda piece. Why would he assume a guy making a documentary about himself wouldn't basically be a propaganda film?
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Mar 29, 2016 02:40
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Well, obviously Wakefield's $400,000 dollar advance only got him so far, he had to find other ways to make money after losing his license. And his reputation.
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Mar 29, 2016 02:49
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Buried alive posted:It's also entirely possible he heard about all of that, but assumed the documentary would be informative and not be basically a propaganda piece. Yeah I can give DeNiro a little benefit of the doubt that he might've thought "hey autism is a topic relevant to me because of my kid" then saw all the negative feedback, went and watched the documentary and went "wtf is this poo poo" and reversed course.
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Mar 29, 2016 03:04
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People are allowed to make bad first judgements, as long as they're willing to consider new information and react accordingly. No one's right on their first assessment every single time on all subjects. I mean, we might hope he made the right choice right off the bat, but I don't think it's realistic to expect that in every case.
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Mar 29, 2016 03:41
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He simply might have wanted a bit of controversy to stimulate discussion on autism or even, for the least charitable reading, some easy publicity for his film festival. The only bad publicity and all that. I'd say that pulling the film has done more to help vaccination than allowing it would have help the anti-health brigade. Now it's news and more people will be exposed to the truth that Wakefield is a lying piece of poo poo.
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Mar 29, 2016 03:54
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A Fancy 400 lbs posted:Why would he assume a guy making a documentary about himself wouldn't basically be a propaganda film? Because it's his way of apologizing. You know if the film actually went, "Hey I did some bad stuff and messed up and I'm sorry," instead of going full-on..well, whatever it's doing. Or this Gorilla Salad posted:He simply might have wanted a bit of controversy to stimulate discussion on autism or even, for the least charitable reading, some easy publicity for his film festival. Or this Evil Fluffy posted:Yeah I can give DeNiro a little benefit of the doubt that he might've thought "hey autism is a topic relevant to me because of my kid"... Or maybe he simply failed to make the logical leap in his head. All of those possibilities result in this PT6A posted:People are allowed to make bad first judgements, as long as they're willing to consider new information and react accordingly...
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Mar 29, 2016 14:43
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A Fancy 400 lbs posted:Why would he assume a guy making a documentary about himself wouldn't basically be a propaganda film? Because lots of people make documentaries about themselves that aren't propaganda? Put your knife away for a minute.
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Mar 29, 2016 17:21
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SedanChair posted:Because lots of people make documentaries about themselves that aren't propaganda? Put your knife away for a minute. This guy is, however, already known to be a gigantic, unrepentant fraud. I'm willing to reserve judgement until we know what's in the movie but given who the person is my default reaction is probably "this guy who wronged very large numbers of people thinks he was wronged and wants to tell the world about it."
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Mar 30, 2016 03:48
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ToxicSlurpee posted:This guy is, however, already known to be a gigantic, unrepentant fraud. I'm willing to reserve judgement until we know what's in the movie but given who the person is my default reaction is probably "this guy who wronged very large numbers of people thinks he was wronged and wants to tell the world about it." Yes but if you didn't really know who he was beforehand, then you'd have no reason to assume that Wakefield's movie was a propaganda poo poo-film. That's why I think that De Niro is pretty blameless here.
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Mar 30, 2016 08:46
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I think the worst thing about the anti-vax situation, besides the horrible diseases of course, is the fact that campaigning to keep these peoples' kids out of public schools can only serve to reinforce their belief in a Big Pharma Conspiracy against them. You made this situation by transforming your child into some kinda weird vector for previously conquered diseases! Nonetheless, it's gonna be pretty interesting when Suri Cruise or somebody gets smallpox.
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Mar 30, 2016 20:42
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Here we go again.Idiot posted:Gina Herbert and her daughter showed up for school on Tuesday only to find the doors closed. Like, say... a virulent disease that's loving miserable and kills 1/500 people? It's almost physically painful trying to imagine the stupid involved here.
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Mar 31, 2016 00:20
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deadly_pudding posted:I think the worst thing about the anti-vax situation, besides the horrible diseases of course, is the fact that campaigning to keep these peoples' kids out of public schools can only serve to reinforce their belief in a Big Pharma Conspiracy against them. You made this situation by transforming your child into some kinda weird vector for previously conquered diseases! Getting a disease that has been wiped off the face of the earth would be pretty interesting, yes.
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Mar 31, 2016 00:43
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antivaxer changes their view http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-04-05/mother-regrets-decision-to-reject-whooping-cough-vaccine/7301836
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Apr 5, 2016 15:03
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doodlebugs posted:antivaxer changes their view I'm surprised she isn't like those other parents who killed their kid trying to cure them with home remedies. At least she had the decency to take it to the hospital.
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Apr 5, 2016 15:25
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doodlebugs posted:antivaxer changes their view "Eva had to be taken to the hospital several times, once after suffering apnoea which caused her to stop breathing for three minutes. The newborn is now in intensive care and entering her fourth week of the disease." Newborn stopped breathing for several minutes which is probably going to cause brain damage so if she does vaccinate the kid and it has disabilities she'll go back in to anti-vax bigger and harder than ever.
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Apr 7, 2016 05:25
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doodlebugs posted:antivaxer changes their view A certain type of person will never listen to the advice of others and have to repeatedly burn their own hand (or the hand of their child) on the stove before learning hot stove = ouch. All she had to do to change her mind was almost lose her child from an easily preventable illness. Now if you could only do that for every antivax nut we would be getting somewhere.
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Apr 7, 2016 05:37
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I'm pretty sick of innocent children having to be the martyrs for these pieces of poo poo to realize they're stupid. I'd rather the police come, vaccinate their kid despite their protesting, beat the parent into the ground for a few minutes if they try anything to stop the process and then fine them for wasting the state's time in tracking them down. But seeing as most of them would rather kill their own child in cowardice than put two and two together that they were ever wrong about anything, they'll probably just whimper on the ground about autism and fluoride than go for a gun and some bleach. Self endangering jackasses deserve nothing but hatred and hostility because they never loving learn without an ever growing mountain of dead kids.
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Apr 7, 2016 06:43
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Christ, once my twins were born and sent to the nicu, I got my whooping cough vaccine that same loving day.
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Apr 7, 2016 07:53
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Have you seen my apex seals? I seem to have lost them.
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Aeka 2.0 posted:I got my whooping cough vaccine that same loving day. I wanted to get an adult whooping cough vaccine when my baby was born (though the baby had no health issues) but the hospital my baby was born in wouldn't do it, my PCP won't do it, the local pharmacies don't have it, and the pediatrician can only treat children. It really should be more widely available for adults, like the flu vaccine that you can just walk into a pharmacy and get.
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BarbarianElephant posted:I wanted to get an adult whooping cough vaccine when my baby was born (though the baby had no health issues) but the hospital my baby was born in wouldn't do it, my PCP won't do it, the local pharmacies don't have it, and the pediatrician can only treat children. It really should be more widely available for adults, like the flu vaccine that you can just walk into a pharmacy and get. Yikes. Last time I had a physical I just asked the doctor for the TDAP and it was done in minutes. Maybe it's more common around here because California keeps having outbreaks.
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