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BigRed0427 posted:Red Letter Media also posted their review of Batman V Superman. Is that only on their patreon?
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Yaws posted:Is that only on their patreon? It's on Youtube. I actually saw the movie today, and turns out I was kinda wrong about it. It was way worse than I ever expected it to be.
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Yaws posted:Is that only on their patreon? No
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LFK posted:Actually it does. The persistent mocking tone, and the discord between the narrator's insistence of their love of the Irish juxtaposed with his constant use of animal comparisons when talking about the Irish. There's numerous, repeated tells that belie the insincerity at the heart of the piece. Also Swift suggests his actual proposal (which disagrees with his 'modest' proposal) in a paralipsis towards the end, when the narrator starts talking about how he "can't think of any possible objections." You can discover an oppositional reading in a text simply by accepting the author or central characters' perspectives (or in Watchmen's case, memories) as inherently subjective things. Take for example The Good Terrorist, by Doris Lessing. The text takes place quite straightforwardly from the third-person perspective of one character. However the world of the novel has the characteristics of a cartoon. Her parents are stereotypes. People she doesn't like 'look evil'. She half-remembers some characters' words, purposefully miscasting them as stupid. It's a more difficult text than Modest Proposal, because a paralipsis never suddenly directly discloses what the author might 'really think' about the issues. The illusion is never broken. Real life never seeps in and reveals it to be a distorted perspective. For the text's satirical meaning to be brought forth, the reader has to acknowledge for themselves that life isn't as simple as the character is seeing it and recognise the problems with their perspective itself. The reader is given the sole duty of concluding whether the book is badly written, a mundane fiction with unrealistic characters and a protagonist who is hard to like, or if it's satirical, presenting the character's bizarre actions and relationships and beliefs through the lens of a character who believes everything they're doing makes sense, until they have literally become a terrorist without realising it. In the same vein, Watchmen didn't need an extra scene explaining that the past has become like a film due to the way people remember things after long periods of time, because that message is communicated inherently when a man is remembering the past and the film cuts to a nigh-cartoonish composition of borrowed sounds and imagery from other movies.
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I still don't see how any of this makes him a brilliant filmmaker. He makes shallow political points in the most hamfisted and dumb way possible, but because he was making these points that makes him a good director I guess? The mere presence of sub-text or political commentary doesn't automatically elevate a movie to being HIGH ART! Batman v Superman was clearly trying very hard to sound smart and make interesting social commentary, it failed miserably.
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I have no problem with debating whether or not something is satire, especially as it pertains to one of the thread subject's review of a movie or something, but the problem with these endless subjective back and forth debates is that eventually someone (either a participant or a bystander) gets bored of being pedantic and starts throwing out insults and it turns into a bunch of people arguing over who's been the bigger rear end in a top hat. So in the interest of not having to punish people later or punishing people now to prevent that, can you maybe just agree that you disagree about what is and isn't satire, or take it to PM, or something? Thanks and god bless.
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Marvel is like a loveless marriage and DC is like a series of disastrous but exotic affairs.
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:Marvel is like a loveless marriage and DC is like a series of disastrous but exotic affairs. Fuckin' nailed it. Brad has two videos up about Batman V. Superman if anyone wants to talk about those.
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I think Zack Snyder should make good movies, and not bad movies that require mental gymnastics to spin as good movies. Welp that's my hot take, I'll hang up and listen.
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Hbomberguy posted:That's not quite the text 'disagreeing with itself'. The narrator loves the Irish the same way a human can love lesser, brutish animals. Paralipsis is also not disagreement. It's the narrator, in-character, saying 'these ideas are worse than mine'. Diagetically, the text is simply a consistent call for selling children to the rich as food. What I'm getting at is satirical meaning is imposed from outside, by the reader. Modest Proposal makes this easy, that's why I picked it: You recognise the signifiers of the alternative, satirical reading. So: What if those signifiers aren't there? Oh for gently caress's sake A Modest Proposal uses first-person plural pronouns and describes those other expedients in positive terms (speak not to me of learning to love our country, in the want of which we differ even from laplanders blah blah blah). It's not perfectly maintained irony at any point and slips around consistently, like when it praises English landlords as a possible export market then mentions that they'd be up for it because they've already devoured the parents with high rents. It's not exactly the kind of rhetorical performance you expect because the culture was different then. Also note that "the Irish" aren't a homogeneous group to A Modest Proposal, in that its proposer singles out the unemployed poor as a burden to the Irish nation and addresses Irish citizens of means for his proposal, which he says is calculated only for Ireland and could not be put into practice for anyone else's benefit.
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Happy Easter everyone! I know there's a lot of people incensed in this thread, but I think that can be remedied by coming together and worshiping our Lord. Do y'all know that Easter actually derives its name from a Mesopotamian goddess? And her name is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLKZtppbm_Q
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Beefstew posted:Happy Easter everyone! I know there's a lot of people incensed in this thread, but I think that can be remedied by coming together and worshiping our Lord. Do y'all know that Easter actually derives its name from a Mesopotamian goddess? And her name is Wrong
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Beefstew posted:Happy Easter everyone! I know there's a lot of people incensed in this thread, but I think that can be remedied by coming together and worshiping our Lord. Do y'all know that Easter actually derives its name from a Mesopotamian goddess? And her name is Has that ever actually stop a thread derail?
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Beefstew posted:Happy Easter everyone! I know there's a lot of people incensed in this thread, but I think that can be remedied by coming together and worshiping our Lord. Do y'all know that Easter actually derives its name from a Mesopotamian goddess? And her name is I expected the John Cena joke.
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The Bee posted:I expected the John Cena joke. It crossed my mind while I was writing it.
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BigRed0427 posted:Red Letter Media also posted their review of Batman V Superman. Jay's sneaky reference to Jar Jar was delightful.
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:Marvel is like a loveless marriage and DC is like a series of disastrous but exotic affairs. Where does Ryan Reynolds buttsex fit into this analogy?
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lornekates posted:Where does Ryan Reynolds buttsex fit into this analogy? Memorable one night stand.
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lornekates posted:Where does Ryan Reynolds buttsex fit into this analogy? Fox is "experimenting" to try and revitalize the marriage.
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Guru Larry talks about 4 lovely patents in video gaming that screwed a few people over https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZvD2IOvop8 Also, here's Ralph Sepe's take on BvS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zk-pGHPuySQ MrSlam fucked around with this message at 18:10 on Mar 28, 2016 |
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Sorry for plugging this guy again in rapid succession, but if The Room is to Plan 9 From Outer Space as Birdemic: Shock and Terror is to Manos: The Hands of Fate, then surely After Last Season is to Monster-A-Go-Go. I guess After Last Season is an art-film that may or may not have been used as an embezzling scheme. Spoony tried doing a review on it which was taken down and replaced with an iRiff on Rifftrax. ...but it's mainly about meeting a ghost. MrSlam fucked around with this message at 20:34 on Mar 28, 2016 |
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Rorschach is cool because he's an extra big air-quotes "hero" that's really just an angry, deranged man in a coat and mask. I don't really know or care about the politics that apparently come with saying that, but he's a neat design and that works for me. Also Sucker Punch was terrible regardless of intent. That's my internet criticism.
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Guys, guys. Let's all calm down and stop being angry at each other. Speaking of being calm and not angry, let's look at a movie about It's the Cinema Snob with God's Not Dead! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d91DJm0OnMw It's a great movie if you ever wished one of your Grandma's e-mail forwards was feature-length and starred Hercules. dijon du jour fucked around with this message at 23:08 on Mar 28, 2016 |
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MrSlam posted:Sorry for plugging this guy again in rapid succession, but if The Room is to Plan 9 From Outer Space as Birdemic: Shock and Terror is to Manos: The Hands of Fate, then surely After Last Season is to Monster-A-Go-Go. No need to apologise. Seems like After Last Season really is as bad as I remember it. That's a good review. I never realised the movie was an embezzlement scam. That would explain a lot. I thought it was some sort of shoe-string art project. It's weird that the film wasn't slightly more competently made to make it appear at least a serious attempt at a film. If I was committing a fraud I'd at least try to cover myself. I would recommend this review to everyone in the thread.
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Yardbomb posted:Rorschach is cool because he's an extra big air-quotes "hero" that's really just an angry, deranged man in a coat and mask. I don't really know or care about the politics that apparently come with saying that, but he's a neat design and that works for me. One of the things to remember about Watchmen is that the characters were originally supposed to be characters taken from Charlton Comics, but DC didn't want them to be used. Rorschach is styled off of The Question, so you could maybe argue that Rorschach was meant to be Alan Moore's commentary on Objectivism or something. I'm more with Yardbomb, though, in that with either character, it's a neat design; a faceless person dressed in classic PI garb.
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Seriously this movie pisses me off on obscene levels on how much this is revenge porn. Then I can wryly laugh cause frankly if you need a movie to provide cosmic justice in fate shoving atheists you don't like off the mortal coil, your god kind of loving sucks at doing anything you want.
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Josef K. Sourdust posted:No need to apologise. Seems like After Last Season really is as bad as I remember it. That's a good review. I never realised the movie was an embezzlement scam. That would explain a lot. I thought it was some sort of shoe-string art project. It's weird that the film wasn't slightly more competently made to make it appear at least a serious attempt at a film. If I was committing a fraud I'd at least try to cover myself. Is there any way to get a copy of this film? I remember buying a dvd off of amazon back in 2010, but I must have misplaced it and amazon has 0 copies at present. Is it truly a lost film? I do have to say that the score sounds pretty nice on its own.
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dijon du jour posted:Guys, guys. Let's all calm down and stop being angry at each other. You forgot Not quite as hateful as Birth of a Nation, but definitely up there.
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Well now I've seen it, I can finally watch all those reviews of the film. Somehow, I think I'm doing this wrong. ... Is it me, or are there scenes in that film that borrow visually from Holy Terror? Because if it's just me, then cool, I'm just reading too much into a film I didn't like. If it isn;t just me, then gently caress that film harder than I already hate it.  e: I'm talking about the supermans movie btwnot gods not dead. I'm sure that movie sucks too tho) KayTee fucked around with this message at 00:56 on Mar 29, 2016 |
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Jack Gladney posted:Is there any way to get a copy of this film? I remember buying a dvd off of amazon back in 2010, but I must have misplaced it and amazon has 0 copies at present. Is it truly a lost film? I assumed it was available via Amazon. It was for a time. Weird thing is, despite the film being a giant fraud, it could actually make back its "budget" if the distributors did some publicity and secured supply to market. Good luck and let us know if you get a copy. I think I would probably get a copy for myself, if I could get region-free.
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Speaking as a Christian, that was one of the angriest I've been at a movie. My mom and dad have a great marriage, despite my dad being an atheist, so seeing a movie say that he was basically being abusive for that just enraged me. It's especially annoying since my college for some reason has big signs for God's Not Dead 2 on the campus.
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God's not Dead 2 is open april 1 This is a joke A joke rite?
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Ensign_Ricky posted:You forgot Is Freaks really that hateful?
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Annointed posted:Seriously this movie pisses me off on obscene levels on how much this is revenge porn. Then I can wryly laugh cause frankly if you need a movie to provide cosmic justice in fate shoving atheists you don't like off the mortal coil, your god kind of loving sucks at doing anything you want. Honestly it's not just hateful towards atheists. Look at how abhorent it treats Papa Sid Haig beating his daughter and literally throwing her out of the house for not being Muslim enough. It's disgusting moreso than how it treats atheists I think.
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Tracula posted:Honestly it's not just hateful towards atheists. Look at how abhorent it treats Papa Sid Haig beating his daughter and literally throwing her out of the house for not being Muslim enough. It's disgusting moreso than how it treats atheists I think. Yeah I should also mention it hates muslims to the point where they can't even show to properly wear a habib.
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The Vosgian Beast posted:Is Freaks really that hateful? Freaks never seemed that hateful to me. I mean, it's no more hateful than Carnevale or American Horror Story: Freakshow. If it is hateful I think it'd be hateful in the same vein that some people consider Heart of Darkness racist. The point of it was that it's wrong to judge people and it hired legitimate freaks to be actors, but it is exploitation nonetheless. Semi-related, Freaked was a pretty great movie from the 90's https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JfxCGAKhgQ
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KayTee posted:Is it me, or are there scenes in that film that borrow visually from Holy Terror? Because if it's just me, then cool, I'm just reading too much into a film I didn't like. If it isn;t just me, then gently caress that film harder than I already hate it. Before I saw the edit, you were making God's Not Dead sound a LOT more interesting...
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Annointed posted:Yeah I should also mention it hates muslims to the point where they can't even show to properly wear a habib. I'd wager that the people behind the film probably know nothing about Islam except that they're brown and blow stuff up and that's all they need to know goddern it  Honestly Gods Not Dead seems way, way worse and more offensive than Saving Christmas. Kirk Cameron is an rear end in a top hat and batshit insane but at least Saving Christmas is just kinda harmless in its insanity and at worst the moral is teaching you to be materialistic. Gods Not Dead actively seems to hate anyone who isn't Christian and that you deserve to get cancer or get beaten if you don't believe in the white mans god or whatever.
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MrSlam posted:Sorry for plugging this guy again in rapid succession, but if The Room is to Plan 9 From Outer Space as Birdemic: Shock and Terror is to Manos: The Hands of Fate, then surely After Last Season is to Monster-A-Go-Go. You are mistaken about the spoony thing. He tried to put a full riff on After Last Season on Blip for free, which went about as well as you would think. It was DCMA'ed faster than someone could rip it to their hard drive.
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