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Some of them were self-conscious and thought that calling it an "operating system" was jumping the gun a bit. also as I experienced it can't actually be installed
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i run arch with the i3 tiling window manager on a 2013 MacBook Air and I wouldn't have it any other way
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James Baud posted:1) No GNU 2) No Linux 3) Distribution? 4) Which im not even talking about that for some of them, the fedora project was a way of indoctrinating people with software freedom and turning more people into developers. the fact that they produced an linux iso was a side effect.
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Suspicious Dish posted:im not even talking about that that sounds pretty dumb i use arch, it doesn't have anaconda or anything silly like that. installing arch requires a rather beardy state of mind but imo this could be almost entirely mitigated by integrating systemd-boot with GNOME's Disks application. Then adding an "Infect this partition with Arch Linux" GUI tool of some kind. All they need to do at that point is create a GNOME 3 based live ISO.
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arch is the Ben Carson of Linux distros
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arch takes upstream applications and turns them into pacman packages and basically does nothing else in that respect it's a pretty good "distro" in that it's barely even a distro at all they also have a really good wiki also they're a rolling release so instead of massively breaking your system every six months you break it a tiny little bit every now and again. in fact i've been using this installation of arch since nov 2014 and have had absolutely nothing break, and believe me i've gone out of my way to break poo poo on a couple of occasions (installing kdbus (rip), installing bleeding edge gnome compiled from git using AUR)
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i'm rather upset about the demise of kdbus "well yes this kernel ipc mechanism of the sort that literally every other operating system including android has had for ages now is technically sound, and it enables robust namespacing and security enforcement for untrusted applications and is generally something we desperately needed in the linux world five years ago but you see lennart poettering created it and it is an objective scientific fact that lennart poettering is Bad, also i have Opinions on systemd and the unix philosophy and i believe that systemd is a military-industrial complex conspiracy to undermine the gnu/free as in freedom of linux and furthermore,"
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in case you think i'm kidding about people unironically suggesting that systemd is a military industrial complex conspiracy https://igurublog.wordpress.com/2014/04/03/tso-and-linus-and-the-impotent-rage-against-systemd/
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Mr Dog posted:i'm rather upset about the demise of kdbus so i get that dbus is good. that part is self-evident. why does it need to be in the kernel? nobody ever made a case. there were some mumblings about performance, but then kdbus turned out to be deadly slow. so why are we doing this again?
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Olivil posted:i run arch with the i3 tiling window manager on a 2013 MacBook Air and I wouldn't have it any other way i like i3 and use it half the time, it's probably the least autistic tiling windows manager. (tallest midget?) when i was broke with ancient computer and wanted a floating windows wm atomicthumbs posted:LXQt did a pretty good job of being a pre-configured openbox. i'd lost my original openbox config files (XML (lol)) and it saved some time getting back to where i wanted to be
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:so i get that dbus is good. that part is self-evident. why does it need to be in the kernel? cargo culting the world's most advanced operating system's Mach IPC
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why do we need special interprocess messaging protocols when we already have IRC? just set up a tiny server in the kernel and go to town
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lolquote:The ischroot command is buggy and does not detect that it is running in a chroot ( 685034 ). Several packages depend upon ischroot for determining correct behavior in a chroot and will operate incorrectly during upgrades if it is not fixed. The easiest way to fix it is to replace ischroot with the /bin/true command.
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Mr Dog posted:in case you think i'm kidding about people unironically suggesting that systemd is a military industrial complex conspiracy oh my https://igurublog.wordpress.com/2014/02/17/biography-of-a-cypherpunk-and-how-cryptography-affects-your-life/ there's way too much to quote, it's glorious 
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:so i get that dbus is good. that part is self-evident. why does it need to be in the kernel? kdbus wasn't deadly slow it's mostly about fixing race conditions and other sorts of dumb mistakes that aren't able to be fixed without kernel support
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atomicthumbs posted:why do we need special interprocess messaging protocols when we already have IRC? just set up a tiny server in the kernel and go to town
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one step of making linux usable would be to consider naming conventions othen than fglrx or wicd or gnmbhhtx-stable-devel or whatever asinine combination of consonants the devs come up with.
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the linux kernel is written is such a way that vowels actually take up more system resources this is why there are none of them in package names or system functions
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if your usability depends on ordinary people being able to understand the naming conventions for low-level system components, I don't think it's the names that are the problem
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linux developers actually name packages by going and countdown and asking for 9 consonants
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computer toucher posted:one step of making linux usable would be to consider naming conventions othen than fglrx or wicd or gnmbhhtx-stable-devel or whatever asinine combination of consonants the devs come up with.
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how come no one has written a tiling wm in Ruby???
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there are limits to how bad even desktop Linux can get
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MALE SHOEGAZE posted:how come no one has written a tiling wm in Ruby???
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atomicthumbs posted:why do we need special interprocess messaging protocols when we already have IRC? just set up a tiny server in the kernel and go to town there was some guy giving a talk at ccc a few years ago who actually said something like "why do we need an ipc system when ipv6 has multicast?" lennart poettering was in the audience and yelled at him
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The_Franz posted:there was some guy giving a talk at ccc a few years ago who actually said something like "why do we need an ipc system when ipv6 has multicast?" this "logic" is the reason why AF_BUS failed btw
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Soricidus posted:there are limits to how bad even desktop Linux can get i take it back
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Soricidus posted:if your usability depends on ordinary people being able to understand the naming conventions for low-level system components, I don't think it's the names that are the problem well it helps if you can remember the names of those components so you can now what to even google when you're banging your head against that poo poo. or is it just super obvious to everyone else that "fglrx" stands for "Open source Radeon drivers" or whatever the gently caress that mess was.
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not to mentionthat regular users need to gently caress around with low level system components all the time
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is it the first time you guys are using computers?? stop thinking "regular people" use linux, only nerds do regular people linux is OS X
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Zom Aur posted:you could even use this http://tools.suckless.org/ii/ for the client-side that seems more like something for plan9 lol
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what we need is a Linux Haters Handbook competent, neutral author(s) talk about what's wrong with linux in a funny manner
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Soricidus posted:i take it back https://github.com/baskerville/bspwm
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atomicthumbs posted:that seems more like something for plan9 lol
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the short names for systems comes from the need to preface c functions with a unique id to compensate for c not having a package or module system, right? you cant name a function "init" because reasons, so you have to name it "fqwt_init"
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Suspicious Dish posted:kdbus wasn't deadly slow the problem with KDBus was that there apparently wasn't much tuning on non-kernel DBus first, to minimize round trips and such, so that it could be clearly demonstrate what the kernel performance benefits would be comparing a terrible user-space implementation to what I'm generously assuming was a decent kernel implementation isn't really fair of course, what Linux should really do is just implement the well-proven Mach IPC primitives, and let user space DBus and any other IPC build on top of those
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newly installed fedora system using kde hovering over "activities" in the file browser causes it to crash good job everyone
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Awia posted:the linux kernel is written is such a way that vowels actually take up more system resources  how why are you making this up because it sounds like it would take active effort to implement this dumb bug
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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blowfish posted:
Yeah it's dumb, but it's required for POSIX compliance.
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