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What exactly are we comparing them to? The Empire? Not exactly exacting standards there, to be honest.
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Kart Barfunkel posted:Anyway, what do you guys think of the connection of BB8's rope things and how the rathtars seem to have the exact same things? While also being big ol' balls, they come out with the same tether things that BB8 was using just a few minutes before.  "This fierce machine". The imagery is used to connect BB8 with both the reptars and with Death Star 3. They represent the subtle threat that BB8 will one day stop being 'cute', and refuse to play along.
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Mar 26, 2016 23:55
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TFRazorsaw posted:What exactly are we comparing them to? The Empire? Not exactly exacting standards there, to be honest. The Empire was the establishment, they were a clunky, outmoded war apparatus, but their advantage in manpower and resources was enough that it barely mattered. If the First Order is both outgunned and incompetent, it's hard to see them as much of a credible threat to the Republic in an actual war. I've said it a number of times already, but they're North Korea. They've got the bomb, and that's pretty much it.
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Toilet Mouth posted:If the First Order really are just hapless idiot cosplayers (which I agree is how they come across, by design or not), then it brings us back to the question of who the real bad guys of this series are going to be. Unless the arc of the trilogy is going to be about them finding their footing and coming into their own as a competent insurgency, adapting to unconventional warfare, etc. Which would be kind of cool I guess. Yeah, that's what I assume is going to happen, esp. Going off the next directors comments WRT the prequels and interesting villains.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Your posts are all about, like, "there's this new generation of millenials and they don't take no guff! They're not down with that hitler guy, no way! They're cool and ready to do what it takes!" And it's extremely nonspecific and comes across as weird marketeering. Who the man? Yoda man. Chewbacca leaves the Starkiller base vulnerable to the pilots, which is a part of the Resistance plan. Rey isn't a resistance member until the end of the film, the resistance is the only group we see with respect for all races, the people who treat droids as equals, and the only group to have any sort of real moral center.
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Neurolimal posted:Chewbacca leaves the Starkiller base vulnerable to the pilots, which is a part of the Resistance plan. Rey isn't a resistance member until the end of the film, the resistance is the only group we see with respect for all races, the people who treat droids as equals, and the only group to have any sort of real moral center. She isn't a resistance member at any point, not even at the end.
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Mar 27, 2016 01:20
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Bongo Bill posted:She isn't a resistance member at any point, not even at the end. Particularly at the end in my view. The last scene of the movie is the result of Rey making the decision to fly off in search of Luke against remaining with her friends/the resistance. She's decided to embrace her destiny and learn the ways of the Jedi. (The Sith and the Jedi are similar in almost every way, including their quest for greater power. - Sheev) Rey is already way beyond the Resistance before she ever gets a chance to actually join them. Deciding to follow the path of the Jedi isn't a decision made lightly. In TESB Luke is leaving the rebellion and his friends behind when he makes the decision to pursue the call of destiny in the Dagobah system. Luke's difficulty dealing with the consequences of that decision are central to his arc throughout the movie.
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Mar 27, 2016 01:51
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That girl is our last hope.
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MrMojok posted:That girl is our last hope. Nah, that's Kylo. Rey is unquestionably evil.
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Mar 27, 2016 01:58
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She will, at least, need to find the strength of spirit to reject the quick and easy path offered by the light.
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Mar 27, 2016 02:29
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Neurolimal posted:Chewbacca leaves the Starkiller base vulnerable to the pilots, which is a part of the Resistance plan. Rey isn't a resistance member until the end of the film, the resistance is the only group we see with respect for all races, the people who treat droids as equals, and the only group to have any sort of real moral center. Tony Stark, in Iron Man, is 'more egalitarian' than the guy who brags about how much he loves civilian war death. But that's incredibly misleading. The truth is in the possibilities that are foreclosed by these false oppositions - the things that are, in Star Wars' ideological universe, impossible.
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Mar 27, 2016 03:02
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MrMojok posted:How you gonna fight a Star War with no fleet? I really wish they emphasized this more than some dots that show up during a 4 second scene and a really ambiguous line from C-3P0 (or Leia, I legitimately forget who said it) that makes you think Starkiller Base is now targeting the fleet after their devastating first strike on the balcony planet.
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I foresee this leading to various Palpatine/Snoke conference calls. The future is now. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7d59O6cfaM0
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Mar 27, 2016 10:54
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:reptars Why do you do these things? Does it hurt you to call things what they are actually named?
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jivjov posted:Why do you do these things?  Alien, you have spoken the Words, and you have spoken them rightly. We will tell you our reasons why we use different names for things in this movie. It all began with a book on semiotics and the lack of inherent links between sign and signified. Through this, it became known that we could alter signs without impinging on the signified things they point to.
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Mar 27, 2016 14:33
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Finally seen the movie, was pretty cool. But still, the editing was weird at points. Finn's antics were a bit much at times, too. While a few famous faces were expected, Grunberg and Leung showing up took me out of the movie for a bit, because they felt like the obligatory Abrams inclusions (well, Grunberg more than Leung). I read that Abrams went mostly for the old McQuarrie designs, went OK for Jakkuu, but not so much for that green planet, where some aliens crossed way into kitsch. Of course, there's yet another death star type appliance, which makes you wonder was even possible to be built to completion without an ongoing war trying to prevent it (you'd think they'd get wise the third time around).
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Mar 27, 2016 14:51
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jivjov posted:Why do you do these things? Laser Moon 3 has a name! It's Laser Moon 3
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jivjov posted:Why do you do these things? Yeah, it's wrong and dumb when you do things like that. Like calling the Dark Lord Snooki anything but.
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Mar 27, 2016 16:06
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The next poster who dares mock Star Wars nomenclature will have to answer to my laser sword.
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Mar 27, 2016 16:21
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Combat Pretzel posted:Finally seen the movie, was pretty cool. But still, the editing was weird at points. Finn's antics were a bit much at times, too. While a few famous faces were expected, Grunberg and Leung showing up took me out of the movie for a bit, because they felt like the obligatory Abrams inclusions (well, Grunberg more than Leung). I read that Abrams went mostly for the old McQuarrie designs, went OK for Jakkuu, but not so much for that green planet, where some aliens crossed way into kitsch. Of course, there's yet another death star type appliance, which makes you wonder was even possible to be built to completion without an ongoing war trying to prevent it (you'd think they'd get wise the third time around). It was complete. They just forgot (again) to not make a video-game weakspot right on the front.
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Combat Pretzel posted:Of course, there's yet another death star type appliance, which makes you wonder was even possible to be built to completion without an ongoing war trying to prevent it (you'd think they'd get wise the third time around). I think they mail-ordered this one.
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Mar 27, 2016 16:43
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jivjov posted:Why do you do these things? Well you get all upset when people on the internet call each other retards, so which is it?
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EX-GAIJIN AT LAST posted:Well you get all upset when people on the internet call each other retards, so which is it? This place is horrifying.
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EX-GAIJIN AT LAST posted:Well you get all upset when people on the internet call each other retards, so which is it? Yes, I do get upset when people use slurs. Don't you?
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jivjov posted:Yes, I do get upset when people use slurs. Don't you? Death Star isn't a slur
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Mar 27, 2016 18:32
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How about we cut this weird slapfight out now and collectively laugh at EU stuff we can all agree is hilarious: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVzc20Bm8Xo
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I may have missed this in the thread but does Kylo Ren keep his helmet in the ashes of his dead gramps?
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Gonz posted:I foresee this leading to various porno and stripper experiences. FTFY. Also: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k80UQWWUIYs&t=156s
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Bigsteve posted:I may have missed this in the thread but does Kylo Ren keep his helmet in the ashes of his dead gramps? Thats what I gathered when I saw that shot.
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You guys are all reading too far into the quote "I will finish what you started..." by Kylo. I'm pretty sure he's talking about finishing a game of Diplomacy. Homeboy was just tryin' to keep the game going for grandpa. poo poo takes forever.
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dialhforhero posted:You guys are all reading too far into the quote "I will finish what you started..." by Kylo. I'm pretty sure he's talking about finishing a game of Diplomacy. Homeboy was just tryin' to keep the game going for grandpa. poo poo takes forever. He's going to finally finish that less-hellish suit that Palpatine intentiomally scrapped for budgetary concerns That was a real EU thing. Also real: His suit had buttons that for, in-canon, no real reason, beeped constantly to gently caress up his sleep.
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Neurolimal posted:He's going to finally finish that less-hellish suit that Palpatine intentiomally scrapped for budgetary concerns These are maybe some of my favorite EU things now that I hear about them. You'd think the constant agonizing pain would be enough to keep him all dark side-y, but nope. Palpatine turns his armor into mobile hell week.
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One thing I find interesting about the narrative of TFA is that unlike the OT Leia is only ever Princess or General - her former identity as a Senator is completely ignored, despite the existence of a new Republic. Liberal Democracy isn't ever really considered a serious option and only exists to be destroyed by these evil dudes cosplaying as the Empire. I remember there being a lot of speculation when the trailers for TFA coming out that the snowy forest on Lazer Moon 3 was actually a scene of post-apocalyptic Endor. From a certain point of view I think this is actually correct. If TFA is about unreservedly going full Naboo naturally the imperial cosplayers are spiritual successors to the Gungans/Ewoks/Sand People and their frightening capacity for violence.
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Picard Day posted:I remember there being a lot of speculation when the trailers for TFA coming out that the snowy forest on Lazer Moon 3 was actually a scene of post-apocalyptic Endor. From a certain point of view I think this is actually correct. If TFA is about unreservedly going full Naboo naturally the imperial cosplayers are spiritual successors to the Gungans/Ewoks/Sand People and their frightening capacity for violence. I prefer the interpretation from lining up the old Galaxy Maps with the new canon one; "Starkiller Base Origin" falls exactly on Ilum. Makes sense that the planet lightsaber crystals come from is used to make a huge laser weapon.
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Picard Day posted:If TFA is about unreservedly going full Naboo naturally the imperial cosplayers are spiritual successors to the Gungans/Ewoks/Sand People and their frightening capacity for violence. That's a good take. The most basic explanation for why the movie completely eliminates the droid slavery angle is that the stormtroopers are the droid slaves.
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Them X-Wings are so goddamn sexy. I can't wait till we see some footage from Rogue One. Shouldn't be too long now....right?
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Meesh. I will reiterate that I really don't like the monochromatic grayness of the air battles in this film, which isn't helped by the fact that there's no real ebb or flow to those sequences. In that last gif it practically looks like the X-wings are firing at each other.
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I can't believe the Senate scene isn't one of the deleted bits. The one huge gaping hole that would lend the essential context to starkiller firing and its not on there.
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jivjov posted:I prefer the interpretation from lining up the old Galaxy Maps with the new canon one; "Starkiller Base Origin" falls exactly on Ilum. Makes sense that the planet lightsaber crystals come from is used to make a huge laser weapon. What if... the crystal in Anakin's lightsaber is actually an Infinity Stone!?! Prepare yourselves for Star Wars Versus The Avengers (2021)! (Sorry if someone already made this joke) BrianWilly posted:Meesh. I will reiterate that I really don't like the monochromatic grayness of the air battles in this film, which isn't helped by the fact that there's no real ebb or flow to those sequences. In that last gif it practically looks like the X-wings are firing at each other. That whole sequence would have benefited so much from having an actual nemesis in the air battle. Not having a Darth Vader out there hunting them plays a huge role in making that part of the battle lacking in tension. I find it odd that they kept Poe in instead of killing him early on but didn't give him a villain to play off of for the final confrontation.
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