MeLKoR posted:

Azram Legion posted:

Speaking as someone who had EVE scamming as a hobby for a while, all scams rely on offering something unrealistically good, to someone gullible enough to think "While normally this would be too good to be true, I truly deserve this great thing, and therefore it is probably real." The under-delivering is just an intrinsic part of any scam - I mean why else would it be a scam?

neonbregna posted:

I don't speak Reddit. Can someone translate?

D_Smart posted:

It's worse than that.

eXXon posted:

It's not a complete scam, though. Sure, they're blowing lots of money on stupid poo poo that has nothing to do with the game, but they're still half-assedly trying to make a game, just failing spectacularly.

I mean if they were really talented scam artists, they'd have a better PR team and try to sweep more of the embarrassing poo poo under the rug instead of airing it out in the open. But imagine if they were also competent enough to have 10-20% of the game done by now instead of 2%. Would we be seeing whales plunking down $50k for space stations and planets?

Beer4TheBeerGod posted:

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eXXon posted:

It's not a complete scam, though. Sure, they're blowing lots of money on stupid poo poo that has nothing to do with the game, but they're still half-assedly trying to make a game, just failing spectacularly.

I mean if they were really talented scam artists, they'd have a better PR team and try to sweep more of the embarrassing poo poo under the rug instead of airing it out in the open. But imagine if they were also competent enough to have 10-20% of the game done by now instead of 2%. Would we be seeing whales plunking down $50k for space stations and planets?

D_Smart posted:

It's worse than that.

Scruffpuff posted:

Star Citizen (comedy/drama) - Chris tells his backers that it annoys him when people ask where a long-promised and publicized product has gone, while trying to hide the fact that it is actually cancelled. Meanwhile, Sandi attempts to feed 3 dozen donuts to a morbidly obese coworker.

D_Smart posted:

My point was that, even as seen in this Star Traders fiasco, Shitizens shilling doesn't do that much. Especially when you consider that there are over 500K (that 1M number is bullshit - there's proof) Star Citizen fans (including Shitizens). It's the same reason that their videos don't get that much watch traffic, Arena Commander is now largely abandonded etc. The whales are in an protracted uprising etc. It will all come to a head very soon; and anyone who has remotely relied on Star Citizen for anything, is going to be affected by it. And I said before, I'm going to burn it all down. And everyone who ever gained anything from Star Citizen, is going to be collateral damage. When the collapse comes, and my blog about it hits, everyone is going in it. And in my book (which is still WIP).

That's how that works.

ps: Dan, you rear end in a top hat, if this is you (I know it's not Keith); man you're so hosed.

iron buns posted:

What's with the USER folder anyways? Every time there's a patch they tell people to delete it. Can't the game or the patcher do it automatically?

Happy Sisyphus posted:

what happens to this thread after star citizen?

Crazy_BlackParrot posted:

It seems to me it isn't that bad..yet.
I suspect in the coming weeks RTV and 10 FTC will get canceled, or drastically reduced.
I doubt 2.4 will hit this month on the PTU, because lets face it, they can hardly manage and there is little to nothing in the drat patches.
Getting the starfarer hangar ready isn't that big of an accomplishment.

It's like many have said before, the only thing that could increase revenue now, would be to implement a huge gameplay feature ( like mining ) and then to a sale on the mining ship.
But one thing I have been wondering, if the situation was this bad, wouldn't we be hearing stories about employees needing to wait on their paycheck?


Also something else that occured to me, the cult keeps claiming 'if poo poo was that bad, how come we haven't heard from it"
Then recently this thread was put up the wildstar reddit page.
https://www.reddit.com/r/WildStar/comments/429bt8/alleged_carbine_exemployees_talk_about_their/ ( personally I think Wildstar and SC have a lot of similarities regarding EGO and waiste of money, nepotism, development. etc. )
This shows that it can take a loving long time before the poo poo leaks out.

Daztek posted:

Derek Smart's Ultimate Line of Defense: Star Citizens Attack

Happy Sisyphus posted:

what happens to this thread after star citizen?

Wrecked Angle posted:

Are you going to set up a Kickstarter for this book?

Perhaps use this as the cover?

Daztek posted:

Derek Smart's Ultimate Line of Defense: Star Citizens Attack

eXXon posted:

I mean if they were really talented scam artists, they'd have a better PR team and try to sweep more of the embarrassing poo poo under the rug instead of airing it out in the open.

D_Smart posted:

uhm, no I haven't. Where'd you hear/read that?

All I've said is that what's coming is a lot worse than anyone could have possibly envisioned. And I just made this tweet this morning

https://twitter.com/dsmart/status/714447208570044416

orcinus posted:

Yup. 145x145x175mm. Form1+ i had before it was 125x125x165, but realistically, you couldn't print using nowhere near the full volume. Maybe not even half, unless it was a very thin-walled object. The peeling forces were simply too high, so an object with a footprint that big would just rip in half during the print.

This one uses a completely different peeling motion (lateral shift + lift) and is supposedly capable of using the whole volume just fine (i believe there's even a demo somewhere on Formlabs blogs).

Beer4TheBeerGod posted:

Since we're all dropping our theories, here's mine: CIG is going to pull a 38 Studios and collapse without any warning beyond what we've already seen, and those working on the project are fully aware of it and are just riding the wave until it crashes.

For starters, compare CIG's current efforts to the list of "opportunities" (flaws) that IBM established as a result of their interviews with 38 Studios staff a full two years before the company folded. Next, consider that any day that CIG earns less than around $100K is considered a loss for them, and that's a conservative estimate that assumes a single facility in Manchester (as opposed to four facilities on two continents) and also poorly estimates the number of contracted personnel. Third, look at the status of their product. Squadron 42 will not be released this year, and without anything significant to show for their efforts there is little reason to think that backers will display any kind of enthusiasm for further pledges. Fourth, the established methods of selling starships have failed and with that CIG's revenue stream is drying up. CIG has systematically eliminated every motivation backers have had to purchase ships. It's blatantly clear that "limited" sales are a farce, the prices are high enough that the risk of getting stuck with a lemon is not worth the mediocre reduction in price from buying early, LTI has been devalued to the point where anyone can get it, and CIG has completely eliminated their credibility. We've finally reached the "put up or shut up" phase of backer patience, and CIG has no cards left to show.

So what's next? More of the same. Most of the folks working at CIG aren't stupid and can see the writing on the wall. The higher level folks who would suffer the most when things fail (folks like Alex Mayberry and Travis Day) left months ago, or are in the process of leaving like the rumors of Sean Tracy. Since industry is already well aware that the project is proper hosed and Roberts has mismanaged things into an impossible situation the lower level folks have a perfect excuse to keep drawing a paycheck and gently caress around while putting out substandard work. Are the rings on Port Olisar jittering because CIG's flavor of CryEngine is a jury-rigged mess or because the guy coding it got lazy and doesn't give a poo poo? It doesn't matter. Was Ben misinformed about the Xi'An Scout having two seats because he's incompetent or because the folks working under him are actively sabotaging someone they hate? It doesn't matter. In the end the artists will get assets to add to their portfolio, the programmers will get more years on their LinkedIn account and a hilarious set of war stories to laugh about at their next job, and the only people who will be really hosed are the backers.

So that's my theory. Everybody within CIG knows they're hosed, people are leaving as soon as the collapse runs the risk of damaging them, and those who are left are so unmotivated that nothing is getting done.