Mel Mudkiper posted:

That is the Donner theme

Snowglobe of Doom posted:

Hey I did a big post in CD...

A GLISTENING HODOR posted:

And the Avengers didn't have any music at all now that you mention it. Or did it?

Mel Mudkiper posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VGJGXMUhmc

Really the only recent big budget Hollywood film I remember the theme to without trying is Pacific Rim because that theme was loving sick.

Lasher posted:

Dun dunanana nuuuu 9-11

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4u-HLm8maE&t=1397s

FizFashizzle posted:

Honestly I'll take MoS over Returns any day of the week.

Say what you want about accurate comic book movie portrayals, a movie has to be slightly more interesting than watching flies gently caress before we get into comparative analysis.

Mel Mudkiper posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VGJGXMUhmc

Really the only recent big budget Hollywood film I remember the theme to without trying is Pacific Rim because that theme was loving sick.

Mel Mudkiper posted:

gently caress I forgot how good everything about this was

I loved this poo poo as a kid

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DadH3KjHZws

This has more style and personality than anything in BvS

Snowglobe of Doom posted:

Yeah that was pretty much my exact reaction.

I think it'll at least explain character's motivations better which was one of the big problems with the movie




Hey I did a big post in CD about why violence is usually acceptable in Marvel films but whips up all sorts of "NOT MY BATMAN!" complaints in DC films

Gatekeeper posted:

I have heard Alan Moore's name before after season 1 of true detective, some homies said the showmaker stole that cool ending with the wormhole opening up before the fat retarded tried to kill mcconaughey, and that lil speech he gives about how the stars are bright and he misses his dead kiddo and he's not an edgy nihilist anymore. what Alan Moore thing is that from?

LGD posted:

It's almost like the wide range of portrayals he's had means the dichotomy you've presented is false

The point isn't that you have to adhere to the "real" superman or that you can't put your own spin on him, leaving him a static cardboard cutout who can't be used to make good commercial pop art, it's that if you're using him as a character you 100% cannot avoid dealing with his mainstream conception

you can choose to play into it and offer an appealing version of what people expect with the usual minor tweaks based on the actor portraying him or the story you're telling, or you can meaningfully deviate from it- but if you do the latter you'd better be drat sure the version of the character you're offering has real appeal and that the movie you're making implicitly explains why he's different (and you should also strongly consider why you're using the character to tell that story- it's often a story that would be better told with different characters entirely or a self-referential commentary on the genre/character, which don't seem like stories that should be used to launch the flagship title of a shared cinematic universe)

if you present an alternate version of such a storied character that a wide swathe of people respond badly to (because they find it unappealing and doesn't ring true to their preconception of who the character is) then that's absolutely on you for both failing to meet your audience's expectations and failing to subvert them a sufficiently entertaining/engaging/diverting manner, not on them for failing to abandon any preconceptions of what this character might be like

8-Bit Scholar posted:

I don't think any of that is necessary except for the fact that the character has to be appealing. Red Son is a success because Superman is portrayed as essentially monstrous, but he has convinced himself that he is still doing the right thing.

Alan Smithee posted:

8-Bit Scholar posted:

Well, in his long history in comic books Superman has basically played every conceivable role you could have him play, hero, villain, something in between. He's had somber and sad portrayals, cheery and cheesy ones, etc etc.

Superman Returns was the Christopher Reeve love fest that people seem to want Man of Steel to be and it was a boring and plodding brick of a film. They went to the opposite extreme and people suddenly claim they always wanted it to be the way it just was that they didn't like.

8-Bit Scholar posted:

I don't think any of that is necessary except for the fact that the character has to be appealing. Red Son is a success because Superman is portrayed as essentially monstrous, but he has convinced himself that he is still doing the right thing. That dichotomy and his character is at the heart of the story, and so you sympathize with him because it's a very human situation for him to be in. This allows the whole rest of the world to fall in place, because that essential element exists.

Here, they give plenty of time to develop the characters' but not to actively make them likable. At least Superman saves people's lives in this one. Batman just murders guys.

Tenzarin posted:

I never thought I would see the day, someone would look to the Thor movie to find quality in film.

Lumpy the Cook posted:

They'll never top this

LGD posted:

Superman Red Son was actually one of the comics I was thinking about, but didn't mention explicitly because it's too easy to go down the "imaginary story"/cannon vs. non-cannon rabbit hole. But you'll note Red Son absolutely ticks the boxes I mentioned- that Superman is quite different from "normal" Superman but the story makes it very clear why he's behaving differently (and he shares enough traits with the "normal" Superman to feel like a version of the same character), and the story itself derives a lot of its appeal precisely because it's dichotomizing and commenting on the "normal" Superman/DC universe. It's a deliberate subversion of the typical expectations for the character, but it's a subversion that people accept because it is entirely conversant with what those expectations are, addresses them and in fact relies on them to function as a story.

Mel Mudkiper posted:

Man, I really want a Fleischer style Superman movie now

I want Superman to punch a goddamn laser back into a laser cannon and then tie the barrel in a knot. That was loving sick.

EDIT: Also, whatever happened to Superhero Themes? Right now I bet you can sing the Donner Superman or Burton Batman theme in your head. Quick, sing the Man of Steel theme. Sing the Avengers theme. See what I mean? We need good memorable themes again.

achillesforever6 posted:

Even thought the DCAU is cool as a whole, I kind of wish it was done in the style of early Batman TAS instead of by Justice League there were like 4 templates for each gender.

8-Bit Scholar posted:

Superman Returns was the Christopher Reeve love fest that people seem to want Man of Steel to be and it was a boring and plodding brick of a film. They went to the opposite extreme and people suddenly claim they always wanted it to be the way it just was that they didn't like.

LGD posted:

Thor is a movie about gods who are space vikings that live in a magical cloud city at the end of a literal rainbow bridge interacting with modern humans (in a shared comic-book universe).

The fact that the movies are even somewhat serviceable rather than totally risible on every level is a miracle and a testament to the hard work, talent and professionalism of everyone involved.

Blazing Ownager posted:

Oh gently caress off on that, Superman Returns makes Superman IV look like the best Goddamn superhero movie.

Returns was boring as all gently caress, but not because "it was a love fest." It was boring as all gently caress because, well, it was tedious. Does Superman have to use his wits when dealing with a problem on a giant ball of kryptotine, that makes him weak? Nope, he just hulks up and does it because JESUSJESUSJESUSJESUSJESUSJESUSJESUSJESUSJESUSJESUSJESUSJESUSJESUSJESUSJESUSJESUS.

Even Zack Snyder who must have used the word "God" at least 500 times wasn't as JESUSJESUS as that movie.

Goddamn it was awful.

Groovelord Neato posted:

asia keeps awful movies afloat.

Say Nothing posted:

Cheer up, we still have Ghostbusters to look forward to.

oldpainless posted:

I thought Superman Returns was great.

I see now I was wrong.

Mel Mudkiper posted:

Most of the people who say they don't like that movie also like Man of Steel

Think on that

FizFashizzle posted:

nah they hate them both, unlike Dredd which is clearly the best comic book adaptation ever made

FizFashizzle posted:

nah they hate them both, unlike Dredd which is clearly the best comic book adaptation ever made

A GLISTENING HODOR posted:

"The incredibly lovely Transformers movies were just as bad" isn't a solid foundation on which to build an argument that Man of Steel wasn't a toilet made of turds.

Also, both Avengers movies had the heroes doing heroic poo poo to save lives.

Being Of PURE GOOD Superman straight up murdered thousands of people while alcoholic Tony Stark and Being of PURE RAGE Hulk mitigated loss of human life and protected the people.

Man of Steel is trash garbage and anyone that likes it is an edgy juggalo teen.