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mallratcal posted:That son of a bitch brought the war to us! Yes, that's a line from a crazy character who doesn't properly understand that Superman didn't bring the war to earth. The actual enemies of Earth brought the war to Earth. Superman defended the Earth. His sane supporters understand this. boom boom boom posted:There is nothing more trustworthy than a man pointing a gun at you who hasn't actually shot you yet. When it's Superman, you know he's not going to shoot. He's Superman. If there was a rational threat, it wouldn't be Superman. The first movie proved this, the second one reminded this. Steve2911 posted:What in the gently caress? You could kill anyone in the world whenever you want, but (presumably) you haven't yet. That doesn't mean I should trust that you never will. Especially if you have laser eyes. You can't trust me at the level that's implicit with Superman. Trusting Superman is baked into the character. A character flaw is Not Trusting Superman. Bruce has that flaw, and corrects it in the end, as does the rest of the world following Superman's death. Lex has that, and does not. MisterBibs fucked around with this message at 20:48 on Mar 28, 2016 |
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MisterBibs posted:A person with laser eyes at their beck and call is the kind of person who could've burned the planet to a lump of iron a thousand times over, but hasn't. If that's not reason enough to trust him, I don't know what is. Okay, I was on the fence but this has got to be a wind up there's no way in hell you're this dense, and can still use a computer.
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Mar 28, 2016 20:46
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MisterBibs posted:Yes, that's a line from a crazy character who doesn't properly understand that Superman didn't bring the war to earth. The actual enemies of Earth brought the war to Earth. Superman defended the Earth. His sane supporters understand this. I AM THE NIGHT! RACHEL!
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Mar 28, 2016 20:50
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MisterBibs posted:When it's Superman, you know he's not going to shoot. He's Superman. If there was a rational threat, it wouldn't be Superman. The first movie proved this, the second one reminded this. While I wasn't counting or keeping score, Superman definitely, willingly kills at least one human in this movie that he didn't have to kill. MisterBibs posted:You can't trust me at the level that's implicit with Superman. Trusting Superman is baked into the character. A character flaw is Not Trusting Superman. Bruce has that flaw, and corrects it in the end, as does the rest of the world following Superman's death. Lex has that, and does not. Again, your point is that it's true because the movie says it's true.
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Mar 28, 2016 20:51
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Steve2911 posted:Again, your point is that it's true because the movie says it's true. It's always been true, though. The fact that the movie gets it right is just a added bonus.
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Mar 28, 2016 20:55
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Superman must be trusted because he's Superman? What a Mary Sue.
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MisterBibs posted:It's always been true, though. The fact that the movie gets it right is just a added bonus. I guess the movie's doing the same thing the recent Bond movies have been doing then, but doing an even worse job of it. 'Does the 00 program have a place in modern society? Yep, shut up and keep buying the box sets'.
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Mar 28, 2016 21:04
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I'm not afraid of Superman or Batman. Why? Because they're not real. Nerds.
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Mar 28, 2016 21:24
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Batman is real I saw him
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Lady Naga posted:Batman is real I saw him 
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Mar 28, 2016 22:19
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batman is real fat more like
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NecroMonster posted:batman is real fat more like We've got fatter ones 
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Mar 28, 2016 22:32
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He's hungry for justice.
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MisterBibs posted:Yes, that's a line from a crazy character who doesn't properly understand that Mr Bibs didn't bring the war to earth. The actual enemies of Earth brought the war to Earth. Mr Bibs defended the Earth. His sane supporters understand this.
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Mar 28, 2016 22:54
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MisterBibs posted:When it's Superman, you know he's not going to shoot. He's Superman. If there was a rational threat, it wouldn't be Superman. The first movie proved this, the second one reminded this. This constant ridiculous tautology that you're posting is getting really old.
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Mar 28, 2016 22:56
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If the characters in a Superman movie don't know they're in a Superman movie then that's their fault. It's super obvious. There's a camera, lights, an entire production crew, marks, scripts, a hack sitting in a Director's chair.
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Mar 28, 2016 22:59
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thexerox123 posted:This constant ridiculous tautology that you're posting is getting really old. It's the text of the two films, nothing more.
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Mar 28, 2016 23:37
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MisterBibs posted:It's the text of the two films, nothing more. Then you should be able to express it in a way that isn't utterly meaningless.
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Mar 28, 2016 23:45
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MisterBibs posted:It's the text of the two films, nothing more. This Superman is not a Good Guy. He's a well meaning but mysterious alien from a violent planet who's very presence forces Earthlings into an arena of chaos and destruction they can't possibly fathom.
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Mar 28, 2016 23:49
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FrensaGeran posted:This Superman is not a Good Guy. He's a well meaning but mysterious alien from a violent planet who's very presence forces Earthlings into an arena of chaos and destruction they can't possibly fathom. I really wish these movies were executed by a competent screenwriter and director, because it's not a bad concept on paper.
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Mar 28, 2016 23:55
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Steve2911 posted:I really wish these movies were executed by a competent screenwriter and director, because it's not a bad concept on paper. Then you're in luck, you can watch the Day the Earth Stood Still. Its the exact same film even down to the hamfisted Christian themes, only competently depicted. There's even a monster with eye lasers.
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Mar 28, 2016 23:58
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It is unfortunate that the movie sucked because it had some interesting ideas But dangit it was 2.5 hours of boring poo poo Eat poo poo Zach Snyder you hack
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thexerox123 posted:Then you should be able to express it in a way that isn't utterly meaningless. Would if I could, but I'm constrained by the subject matter. It's Superman, after all, the second in two Superman movies that make it clear that Superman is... well, Superman. FrensaGeran posted:But these films have been intentionally and blatantly subverting that narrative since frame one of MoS. This Superman is not a Good Guy. He's a well meaning but mysterious alien from a violent planet who's very presence forces Earthlings into an arena of chaos and destruction they can't possibly fathom. The only people who think that he's not a Good Guy who's presence has forced earth into a chaos of arena and destruction are, in both films, proven entirely wrong. I'm not sure how you can watch the two movies and claim there's any subversion of the central tenet of Superman going on. The cute cheering blonde is right, the Skrillex-looking dude screaming is wrong.
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thexerox123 posted:Then you should be able to express it in a way that isn't utterly meaningless. This would require intelligence.
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MisterBibs posted:The only people who think that he's not a Good Guy who's presence has forced earth into a chaos of arena and destruction are, in both films, proven entirely wrong. I'm not sure how you can watch the two movies and claim there's any subversion of the central tenet of Superman going on. The cute cheering blonde is right, the Skrillex-looking dude screaming is wrong. The only reason Zod goes to Earth is to follow Superman. If not for Superman's presence, Zod never would've come to earth, and Metropolis wouldn't've been destroyed
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Mar 29, 2016 00:08
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boom boom boom posted:The only reason Zod goes to Earth is to follow Superman. If not for Superman's presence, Zod never would've come to earth, and Metropolis wouldn't've been destroyed Uh, if it was Superman's fault that Metropolis was destroyed then he wouldn't be Superman, yet he is clearly wearing the costume and is referred to as Superman, so therefore it isn't his fault.
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boom boom boom posted:The only reason Zod goes to Earth is to follow Superman. If not for Superman's presence, Zod never would've come to earth, and Metropolis wouldn't've been destroyed Zod was the instigating factor in a war being held on Earth. It was Zod's decision to go to Earth to avenge his capture by Jor-El. One does not blame the fire-fighter for breaking your door down to save your child.
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MisterBibs posted:Zod was the instigating factor in a war being held on Earth. It was Zod's decision to go to Earth to avenge his capture by Jor-El. You do if the fire was started by a cigarette dropped by the fire fighter. And if the door was three million screaming innocents.
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Steve2911 posted:You do if the fire was started by a cigarette dropped by the fire fighter. And if the door was three million screaming innocents. No, you blame the enemy alien who came here to terraform the world into something that seven billion people can't live on. There's no logical argument in which Superman is the one not to trust.
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oh my god don't loving engage with MisterBibs don't do it don't do it stop it stop it
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MisterBibs posted:There's no logical argument in which Superman is the one not to trust. Can't trust him to be a good dad. 
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MisterBibs posted:No, you blame the enemy alien who came here to terraform the world into something that seven billion people can't live on. There's no logical argument in which Superman is the one not to trust. No matter what thread I see you post in, you're always, always on the stupider end of a pedantic argument with no real point.
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MisterBibs posted:An impossible position. It's Superman; there is no salient reason to fear him. You just straight up don't bother paying attention to any of the actual argument in my post, and just grab a single center which you use to repeat your previous statement. You know that's not actually helping your point, right?
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Terrible Opinions posted:You just straight up don't bother paying attention to any of the actual argument in my post, and just grab a single center which you use to repeat your previous statement. You know that's not actually helping your point, right? This is MisterBibs, you know replying to him isn't helping your point either.
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Terrible Opinions posted:You just straight up don't bother paying attention to any of the actual argument in my post, and just grab a single center which you use to repeat your previous statement. You know that's not actually helping your point, right? misterbibs is too stupid to actually read. he won't even read this post. he never adapts his position to points brought up, and often puts words in people's mouths so he can argue against positions he made up, and has not even noticed that he has never convinced anyone of anything.
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Mar 29, 2016 00:42
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Again, I repeat: laser eyes.
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NecroMonster posted:oh my god don't loving engage with MisterBibs don't do it don't do it stop it stop it The Pre Rec chat has learned this. It's actually a little sad to see him try to start up a conversation and get completely ignored.
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Arguing with MisterBibs is the most fun I can have for free. And it allows me to be right in a debate, which is a rare joy.
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"debate"
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Terrible Opinions posted:You just straight up don't bother paying attention to any of the actual argument in my post, and just grab a single center which you use to repeat your previous statement. You know that's not actually helping your point, right? I'm "not bothering to pay attention" to things that fly directly in the face of what two movies have made plainly clear. I don't know why you (or others) came into a Superman film expecting anything short of trusting Superman being an absolute. If you want to have an actual discussion on the actual movies and their textual statements, I'm down for that. None of this "well, I think the dude who is consistently coded as the hero is secretly not a hero" stuff. MisterBibs fucked around with this message at 00:54 on Mar 29, 2016 |
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