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we all know the only question that matters to Ive is "is amoled thinner than led?" the answer is yes, so the iPhone will have one eventually.
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You all should install the Booking.com app, it is real great.
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Shifty Pony posted:we all know the only question that matters to Ive is "is amoled thinner than led?" Jony isn't designing them anymore
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Mar 28, 2016 18:45
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if the rumor is true i hope they get another samsung division to make another component significantly better than the one samsung electronics gets
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Mar 28, 2016 19:39
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hobbesmaster posted:if the rumor is true i hope they get another samsung division to make another component significantly better than the one samsung electronics gets chaebols are cool, this weekend I watched a movie made by the same company that makes my favorite chicken marinade
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Mar 28, 2016 20:06
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Mar 28, 2016 22:55
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apple subcontracted to another firm to comply with the fbi's order, saving face
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Mar 28, 2016 23:11
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zen death robot posted:seems extremely likely tim reminded us that there was no way apple would break the phone for the fbi at the last conference which was followed up by an hour later saying the fbi had this mysterious new method 
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Mar 28, 2016 23:28
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it's a good solution apple gets to save its pissbaby reputation and can continue to whine, while the fbi gets what it wants and moves on from a boring tech debate
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There was at least one method of bypassing passcode locks in some (default) configurations using Siri and the Clock App that worked in 9.2.1 on like one in ten tries but as far as I know it no longer works in 9.3. It seriously popped up within a week of Apple's first open letter, and I find it hard to believe the FBI wasn't aware of it. My opinion is that the FBI already had the information they needed and just wanted a giant gaping hole they can insert themselves into any time they want someone's information, without having to keep their finger on the zero-day pulse. I can't think of a better way for the FBI to strong arm Apple than using the "help us or the terrorists win" excuse.
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nah, they probably make requests all the time but this was too high profile and caught too much visibility so apple had to do some pr tap dancing
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Mar 29, 2016 00:01
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Stymie posted:apple subcontracted to another firm to comply with the fbi's order, saving face either that or the FBI got an exploit that they will now horde because they don't have a reliable and safe mechanism that only apple could provide. meanwhile everyone is less secure than before thanks to apple
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lmao (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Shaggar posted:either that or the FBI got an exploit that they will now horde because they don't have a reliable and safe mechanism that only apple could provide. nah it just means the fbi exploited something on a phone using 3 year old technology and an outdated os that wouldn't work on newer phones to begin with and the local pd/fbi were dumb enough to lock themselves out of the icloud backups which are not encrypted and a common method for apple to provide data from court orders now apple can fully encrypt icloud backups and there's no way to get data from more modern devices going forward thanks to the fbi being stupid
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mishaq posted:nah it just means the fbi exploited something on a phone using 3 year old technology and an outdated os that wouldn't work on newer phones to begin with yes it seems like the fbi might have won the battle but lost the war here. I also think Apple probably had something to do with this whether directly or indirectly. Stymie is right
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Stux posted:lol so what the fbi wore an ugly hat and negged the phone until it felt insecure and unlocked?
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it's really simple to understand what happened if you just give it some thought the ideas that the fbi was making some machiavellian play to compromise one particular model of phone and thereby setting an immutable, unchallengegable, masterstroke precedent while apple simultaneously heroically sprung to the defense of the concept of information security all out of a sense of civic duty are both incredible assumptions and gives them both an insane amount of unearned credit the fbi doesn't have to engage in clandestine legal maneuvering to get what it wants, it's a sledgehammer run by people with sledgehammer mentalities, you either give them what they want or you get smashed apple isn't some champion of the people, it's a business run by a particularly cutthroat businessman (in that he's currently cutting apple's throat), but not even tim is suicidal enough to abandon the whole north american market to uphold an ill-defined principle
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an ill-defined principle they have never in any previous case upheld, so long as it didn't require additional unpaid work on their part
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basically always be suspicious of any analysis that assumes law enforcement competence and business morals (and vice versa, really)
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Mar 29, 2016 01:00
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Stymie posted:basically always be suspicious of any analysis that assumes law enforcement competence and business morals (and vice versa, really) I mean no poo poo, but how do you think the bottom line would be hit if every drug dealer in America found out Apple gave the FBI a back door into their iPhone?
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aren't there like a half dozen known ways you could get into it, i don't see why you'd have to assume that apple had anything to do with it. it could have been a software exploit some russian teens found and wanted to sell the fbi, nand mirroring, decapping the secure enclave , whatever
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Mar 29, 2016 02:06
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what's the opposite of occam's razor?
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infernal machines posted:what's the opposite of occam's razor? 
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zen death robot posted:tony's sledgehammer? i really hope this is a peter gabriel reference
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infernal machines posted:what's the opposite of occam's razor? republican legislation
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infernal machines posted:what's the opposite of occam's razor? complete obfuscation and things that make no sense? radium
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infernal machines posted:what's the opposite of occam's razor? Rube's Goldberg machine?
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kwinkles posted:aren't there like a half dozen known ways you could get into it, i don't see why you'd have to assume that apple had anything to do with it. it could have been a software exploit some russian teens found and wanted to sell the fbi, nand mirroring, decapping the secure enclave , whatever yeah its a model without a secure enclave. all they have to do is dump the flash/reflash it
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i tried using itunes store wishilist to keep track of albums i was interested in but hadnt been released yet but apple deletes items from the wishlist when they \go from preorder to released
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hobbesmaster posted:yeah its a model without a secure enclave. all they have to do is dump the flash/reflash it then yeah anyone with a nice testbench and capable of buying another iphone with the same nand chips can do nand mirroring and basically make it do save/restore as if you have not guessed the passcode and then try infinite passcodes. assuming they can re-load it and try a new passcode every ten seconds and the passcode is 4 digit numeric thats only 10,000 passcodes, you can guess all 10,000 in 10*10,000 seconds, which is like 1.1 days. easy peasy.
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revolutionary new idea: they used multiple iphones
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mishaq posted:nah it just means the fbi exploited something on a phone using 3 year old technology and an outdated os that wouldn't work on newer phones to begin with The israeli company claims they can open up newer phones with secure enclave no issues.
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infernal machines posted:what's the opposite of occam's razor? e: this assumes most people don't know occam's razor already builds this principle in Kenny Logins fucked around with this message at 14:48 on Mar 29, 2016 |
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Mar 29, 2016 14:42
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Jenny Agutter posted:i tried using itunes store wishilist to keep track of albums i was interested in but hadnt been released yet but apple deletes items from the wishlist when they \go from preorder to released you're holding it wrong
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Stux posted:lol passcode was '0000'
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buttcrackmenace posted:passcode was '0000' 
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Hemick posted:I mean no poo poo, but how do you think the bottom line would be hit if every drug dealer in America found out Apple gave the FBI a back door into their iPhone? I think the real fear there wasn't the us government getting access to your iPhones data, but other governments and non-government agents in order to make sure the public thinks it's data is super safe, they're doing the same thing the census bureau does: make it very difficult (even for law enforcement) to get access to non-anonymous data
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mishaq posted:nah it just means the fbi exploited something on a phone using 3 year old technology and an outdated os that wouldn't work on newer phones to begin with I read a apple whitepaper saying that icloud backups are encrypted but apple holds a recovery key so they can comply with a court order if needed
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