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Just wanted to say sorry to everyone that I haven't got the new ATG game going, the weekends been mad so far.
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Shameful.
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Mar 27, 2016 00:45
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You've certainly done a lot of apologizing this weekend. When I get back from visiting family over Easter I may try and start a few DC PBEM games as well.
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Mar 27, 2016 01:13
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DCB is only 41? There goes all my interest in the game. First I thought it was all wehraboo grogs/neo-nazis playing the game but in 41 really Germany is the only choice.
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Mar 27, 2016 01:44
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The soviets had several very interesting counterattacks in '41 like smolensk that very nearly worked. I think turning it into one long retreat is both ahistorical and makes for poor gameplay.
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Mar 27, 2016 01:46
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dtkozl posted:The soviets had several very interesting counterattacks in '41 like smolensk that very nearly worked. I think turning it into one long retreat is both ahistorical and makes for poor gameplay. Smolensk absolutely worked. But again for every Soviet counteroffensive there were 100 failed Soviet counteroffensives. Stalin liked ordering those
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Mar 27, 2016 01:49
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In my last few PBEMs on both sides, Russia holds its own if not stomps.
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Mar 27, 2016 01:49
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The problem that most wargames have is their depiction of Barbarossa as one long retreat+encirclement battle, because the simulation of the actual Soviet counterstrokes is both difficult, and can be rationalized away as long as you promise to yourself that you'll let the Soviet get their licks in three-four years later. Unfortunately this then filters down into the general historical consciousness of people when they think Barbarossa really was just one long retreat+encirclement battle. DC:Barbarossa lasts until 1942, but also it's arguably one of the more accurate depictions of Barbarossa in wargaming because it actually captures the Soviets being able to fight back.
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Mar 27, 2016 01:53
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Phi230 posted:DCB is only 41? There goes all my interest in the game. First I thought it was all wehraboo grogs/neo-nazis playing the game but in 41 really Germany is the only choice. Yeah, I'm pretty sick of being the Germans and it seems bad for multiplayer too. "Ooops, I failed my ~Perfect Hitler~ assault on Moscow. Don't really want to sit through your counterattack. New game? Really kills my interest in the game. But I just bought it anyway, because I'm in the mood for a decent wargame and I want to reward Matrix for having sales...  I'll go for it at $35.
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Mar 27, 2016 01:57
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Phi230 posted:Smolensk absolutely worked. But again for every Soviet counteroffensive there were 100 failed Soviet counteroffensives. Stalin liked ordering those Yeah I think war games just need to get better about what constitutes failure and maybe opening things up for the player a bit. For example in Glantz's second Stalingrad book he makes the case that this failed soviet counterattack on the German units holding the northern flank drew off the air support that was needed for a successful drive on the western banks of the Volga. Something like that in WITE is either impossible or invisible when that exact type of feedback and knowledge would give the game depth and excitement.
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Mar 27, 2016 01:57
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dtkozl posted:Yeah I think war games just need to get better about what constitutes failure and maybe opening things up for the player a bit. For example in Glantz's second Stalingrad book he makes the case that this failed soviet counterattack on the German units holding the northern flank drew off the air support that was needed for a successful drive on the western banks of the Volga. Something like that in WITE is either impossible or invisible when that exact type of feedback and knowledge would give the game depth and excitement. The way DC depicts AP and readiness goes a decent way for this though. Russia does have incentive to launch AP and readiness draining attacks even at the expense of men in a lot of situations.
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Mar 27, 2016 01:59
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dtkozl posted:Yeah I think war games just need to get better about what constitutes failure and maybe opening things up for the player a bit. For example in Glantz's second Stalingrad book he makes the case that this failed soviet counterattack on the German units holding the northern flank drew off the air support that was needed for a successful drive on the western banks of the Volga. Something like that in WITE is either impossible or invisible when that exact type of feedback and knowledge would give the game depth and excitement. That happens when playing WitE though  You push with your armor or use your aircraft to blast through a defensive line. You focus troops to certain areas for offensive and defensive purposes. Its only invisible if you don't pay attention to your own game. Or fog of war, I guess.
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Mar 27, 2016 02:19
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Jobbo_Fett posted:That happens when playing WitE though I have never had to make the choice of using my tac air assets in the defensive of a small front vs offense in the same area. The game does both automatically based on slider positions the effects of which are pretty much invisible.
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Mar 27, 2016 02:23
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Fintilgin posted:Yeah, I'm pretty sick of being the Germans and it seems bad for multiplayer too. "Ooops, I failed my ~Perfect Hitler~ assault on Moscow. Don't really want to sit through your counterattack. New game? In June you retreat, in July you dig, August you launch spoiling attacks out of forests, September you encircle and destroy Panzer divisions. DC:B is not a game about the Red Army falling back to Moscow and turning into abominable snowmen.
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Mar 27, 2016 03:12
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As my two crushing defeats as the Germans in PBEM have taught me, the Soviets are far from powerless in DC:B. Chump Farts has almost annihilated Army Group Center in our last PBEM
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Mar 27, 2016 03:12
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Screwing around with DC:B now. Still frustrating that I can't do the whole war, but... such is life. Minimalist counters option looks amazing for keeping track of what unit belongs to what group. Not very pretty, but very useful. Seems like a huge amount of decisions and stuff to make every turn for the admin stuff. Probably should read the manual and watch the tutorial videos.
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Mar 27, 2016 03:15
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Fintilgin posted:Screwing around with DC:B now. Still frustrating that I can't do the whole war, but... such is life. Train Nazi?  Lmao get lost nerd.*five turns later* OH GOD WHERE ARE MY SUPPLIES TRAIN NAZI WHY!?!?!?
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Mar 27, 2016 03:19
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Enrich the Train Nazi, scorn all other men.
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Mar 27, 2016 03:20
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Fintilgin posted:Seems like a huge amount of decisions and stuff to make every turn for the admin stuff. Probably should read the manual and watch the tutorial videos. Adolph Hitler, 1939
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Mar 27, 2016 03:20
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Dandywalken posted:Adolph Hitler, 1939 Heh. This game is really fuckin' easy so far.  Adolph Hiter, 1940
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Mar 27, 2016 03:29
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uPen posted:In June you retreat, in July you dig, August you launch spoiling attacks out of forests, September you encircle and destroy Panzer divisions. DC:B is not a game about the Red Army falling back to Moscow and turning into abominable snowmen. Alikchi posted:As my two crushing defeats as the Germans in PBEM have taught me, the Soviets are far from powerless in DC:B. Chump Farts has almost annihilated Army Group Center in our last PBEM This is my experience. First game with uPen, he wrecked my overextended panzers which aren't magic and airdroppable forever in this vs War in the East. Second one seems to have fallen through, but I've expended so much pushing forward conservatively that I really can't win. As for the Alikchi game, I will say that his Schwerpunkt ending up in mud surrounded by fresh, hidden, clear land infantry was bad luck. Still, the Soviets have won/basically won all three of those last games for me.
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Mar 27, 2016 03:33
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I added myself to the spreadsheet, I'd love to try my hand at PBEM for Advanced Tactics.
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Mar 27, 2016 04:20
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I took the liberty of adding DCB, Revolution under Siege: Gold and Solium Infernum to the spreadsheet  Edit: I am a fool and I bought Sovereignty Crown of Kings with my Easter voucher. May Early Access not disappoint me. Riso fucked around with this message at 13:58 on Mar 27, 2016 |
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Mar 27, 2016 10:45
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Picked up Polaris Sector because I'm incapable of not buying any and every space themed game Slitherine/Matrix puts out. It's no Distant Worlds but its a fairly breezy and enjoyable 4x with a somewhat terrible UI and a fun RTS'ey tactical combat system. You can make the galaxy huge with a bunch of races in it but I find the game shines in a smaller galaxy with only a few other races other than you.
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Mar 27, 2016 19:15
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I like how 'big' the ships are. Takes a planet 5-6 years to build a corvette, hell yes.
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Mar 27, 2016 19:18
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Baloogan posted:I like how 'big' the ships are. Takes a planet 5-6 years to build a corvette, hell yes. I always had a soft spot for the first MOO where you'd assemble multiple stacks of like 37,520 ships each.
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Mar 27, 2016 19:21
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Yeah the time scale is kind of fun, a full game goes over a few millenia easily.
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Mar 27, 2016 19:23
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Battlefront is so garbage sometimes. I'm trying to reinstall my copy of Strategic Command WWI Breakthrough, the thing gives me unskippable serial number errors with no way to input my serial, and googling reveals that Battlefront's DRM can be triggered by something as simple as using a USB drive, what the hellllll
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Mar 28, 2016 05:14
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Alikchi posted:Battlefront is so garbage sometimes. I'm trying to reinstall my copy of Strategic Command WWI Breakthrough, the thing gives me unskippable serial number errors with no way to input my serial, and googling reveals that Battlefront's DRM can be triggered by something as simple as using a USB drive, what the hellllll what are these usbdrives you speak of you can't use those under Windows 3.1, can you?
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Mar 28, 2016 18:37
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I wish there was a laid back successor to Empire Deluxe. Maybe a bit more complex, but not at Advanced Tactics level. Just build my tanks and infantries and crash `em together. I'd like a random map wargame, but I don't really enjoy the micro of deciding how many antitank guns to ship out to each unit.
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Mar 28, 2016 19:22
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Fintilgin posted:I wish there was a laid back successor to Empire Deluxe. Maybe a bit more complex, but not at Advanced Tactics level. Just build my tanks and infantries and crash `em together. I'd like a random map wargame, but I don't really enjoy the micro of deciding how many antitank guns to ship out to each unit. Learning to use the new ToE system takes a bit at first, and honestly I have trouble with it vs. the AI. Specifically having units actually ready for their turn 2 offensives. But once you get your ToE set up and units assigned to a model, its less about assigning specific tanks to specific divisions and more keeping track of how many tanks you still need to build (answer: all the tanks).
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Mar 28, 2016 19:53
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I'm thinking about getting Empire Deluxe Enhanced Edition for my casual brainless strategy needs. Any horror stories before I pull the trigger tonight? I used to play the old version back in the 90s.
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Mar 28, 2016 20:02
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Fintilgin posted:I'm thinking about getting Empire Deluxe Enhanced Edition for my casual brainless strategy needs. Any horror stories before I pull the trigger tonight? Just play the old one on the Internet Archive
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Mar 28, 2016 20:04
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Not a bad choice. Didn't know that existed. Kinda cool.
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Mar 28, 2016 20:12
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There appears to be no undo button in the ATG editor. Ugh. For those waiting on the new 6P game I'll have it done tomorrow, if you have changed your mind let me know because there's other people keen.
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Mar 28, 2016 22:04
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Fintilgin posted:I wish there was a laid back successor to Empire Deluxe. Maybe a bit more complex, but not at Advanced Tactics level. Just build my tanks and infantries and crash `em together. I'd like a random map wargame, but I don't really enjoy the micro of deciding how many antitank guns to ship out to each unit. What about Empires of Steel? http://www.empiresofsteel.com/ It used to be on sale through Battlefront, but apparently not any more. I haven't played it myself, but it always struck me as an Empire type game.
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Mar 29, 2016 00:30
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WinSPMBT is the worst wargame I've ever played. Anyone wanna PBEM?
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Mar 29, 2016 00:46
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Phi230 posted:WinSPMBT is the worst wargame I've ever played. The igoyougo system does not do it any favors.
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Mar 29, 2016 00:56
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That and interrupts with ATGMs. Especially interrupts with ATGMs. Holy gently caress.
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And spending half an hour watching artillery shells land.
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