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mcmagic posted:It's very good. The problem is that I don't think the deck that it's going to go in is good. Yeah, it's a shame BR tribal vampires is the only deck you're allowed to put it in. On the subject of Languish, I'll third that it is pretty tits right now. I've been brewing a BR control with
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stinkles1112 posted:So what are everybody's thoughts on Heir of Falkenrath? It seems... insane, frankly. Instant speed discard trigger, relevant typing, given the relative power level of now-cards vs 2011-cards, this feels like it could be this format's Delver. One extra mana in exchange for more synergies and guaranteed transformation is a more than fair trade off. He's going into my cube and a lot of others which doesn't always translate to constructed play but is a good sign.
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Jeffe posted:Sorry is this isn't the right thread for this but since I'm asking about things in the game involving popular decks and cards I hope it's applicable. I'm only a collector, I've played a little on the ipad games but that's about it, and I admit I am pretty ignorant on a lot of things, including the different things like legacy or standard and whatnot. I am not some scalper, more a hoarder who is getting overwhelmed with trying to sort things, but that's neither here nor there. Liliana will slowly crawl up until reprint, and everyone is assuming that will be next summer with modern masters 3, and even then MM reprints have been fairly ineffective for reducing prices by a significant amount. As said before, Jace will likely be crawling down slowly as more decks move away from being blue + 3 colors, and then even more after a standard rotation unless he hits a high saturation in modern. If you're dead set on this trade I'd say do it asap; it's possible that after the upcoming banning a control deck ends up being good in modern AND the lili printing next year drops her price, but that's unreliable and over a year away
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stinkles1112 posted:So what are everybody's thoughts on Heir of Falkenrath? It seems... insane, frankly. Instant speed discard trigger, relevant typing, given the relative power level of now-cards vs 2011-cards, this feels like it could be this format's Delver. One extra mana in exchange for more synergies and guaranteed transformation is a more than fair trade off. I like Heir a lot. In testing as long as you aren't up against something like vampires or something cranking out thopters it can sneak a lot of damage through. It's going to end up seeing play outside of the vampire tribal deck in the back of being 3 power flying on turn 3 and enabling instant-speed discard. The problem, as mentioned, is that it gets chumped easily by quite a few things. On top of that, 2 toughness is NOT where you want your creatures right now. Dead Weight, Impulse, Avacyn's Fury, etc. Basically everything that people are boarding in to take care of Jace can be a 2-for-1 against Heir. With that being said it makes a great inclusion in main decks and a great swap post-boarding.
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Mar 29, 2016 21:24
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Angry Grimace posted:There's a deck with 4 Cryptolith Rite and 4 Evolutionary Leap that just dumps a bunch of tokens and little guys (Blisterpods, Catacomb Sifter, Hangarback) onto the battlefield and then taps all of them to cast Ulamog, or sacs them for Ormendahl
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I would hold off on getting LOTV's until we see what we're getting in Eldritch Moon.
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Mar 29, 2016 21:46
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Alris posted:I would hold off on getting LOTV's until we see what we're getting in Eldritch Moon. There is at least a 25% chance it's in that set....
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Mar 29, 2016 21:48
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mcmagic posted:There is at least a 25% chance it's in that set.... Exactly.
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Mar 29, 2016 21:49
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Alris posted:I would hold off on getting LOTV's until we see what we're getting in Eldritch Moon. I mean it has 100x higher chance of getting an EMA printing than eldritch moon.
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Mar 29, 2016 21:53
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mcmagic posted:There is at least a 25% chance it's in that set.... how do you even get this number lmao
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Mar 29, 2016 21:54
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there is a 0% chance LOTV is ever printed in a standard legal set again
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Mar 29, 2016 21:54
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They almost put it in M15, they probably want to reprint it at some point.
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Mar 29, 2016 21:58
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Balon posted:I like Heir a lot. In testing as long as you aren't up against something like vampires or something cranking out thopters it can sneak a lot of damage through. It's going to end up seeing play outside of the vampire tribal deck in the back of being 3 power flying on turn 3 and enabling instant-speed discard. Part of what makes Falkenrath good, aside from being a 3 power flyer attacking on turn 3, is that it's a free discard outlet (they seem to have been very shy about printing those) so in a deck that plays it you can probably be pitching a madness card rather than taking straight card disadvantage. T3 flip Falkenrath, pitching Youths is gonna be a hell of a line.
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Mar 29, 2016 22:09
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Irony Be My Shield posted:They almost put it in M15, they probably want to reprint it at some point. Creative did. Development shut it down immediately.
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Mar 29, 2016 22:13
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They also probably won't reprint planeswalkers anymore due to story reasons.
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They didn't reject the idea out of hand, they just (completely correctly) noted that mono-black devotion was already too good in RTR-Theros.netcat posted:They also probably won't reprint planeswalkers anymore due to story reasons.
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Mar 29, 2016 22:15
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born on a buy you posted:Creative did. Development shut it down immediately. Which is fair enough, because it would have been standard legal when Black Devotion was already a bit dominant.
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Mar 29, 2016 22:17
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So if anyone wants to get sets of some of the hardest to find basic lands, CFB has somehow gotten a hold of 11 full sets of the S-Chinese Portal Alternate Art lands http://store.channelfireball.com/catalog/wholesale_lots__sets-sets/portal_1_schinese_alternate_art_land_set_20_lands/146143 I'm assuming the dude who was known to have like half of all of them that existed decided to sell off most of his stock, since I have no idea how they'd get them otherwise.
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Mar 29, 2016 22:20
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"mm yes $800 for basic lands" - a sane person
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Mar 29, 2016 22:39
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Irony Be My Shield posted:They didn't reject the idea out of hand, they just (completely correctly) noted that mono-black devotion was already too good in RTR-Theros. I was actually very surprised by the new Nissa. I thought that since we had only got one set with Worldwaker and that was a pretty solid card it would be a good fit for reprinting during BFZ block. But I'm sure something like that will happen in future sets.
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mcmagic posted:Very much agree with you on Languish. Thats where you want to be. It's just splashing blue for Jace and Reflector Mage. It seems fine. Pretty much every deck seems like its running Evolving Wilds so its not like the format is all that fast. Yawgmoth posted:Got a link to that list (or just the list)? That's basically the deck I want to make come rotation so I'd love a base to start from. Deck: G/B Cryptolith Rites Combo   //Creatures 4 Loam Dryad 4 Blisterpod 1 Deathcap Cultivator 4 Elvish Visionary 4 Hangarback Walker 4 Scion Summoner 4 Catacomb Sifter 2 Ulvenwald Hydra 1 Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger //Spells 4 Cryptolith Rite 2 Evolutionary Leap 2 Nissa, Voice of Zendikar 2 Zendikar Resurgent //Land 9 Forest 1 Foundry of the Consuls 4 Hissing Quagmire 4 Llanowar Wastes 4 Westvale Abbey //Sideboard 2 Aerial Volley 3 Clip Wings 2 Collected Company 4 Deathmist Raptor 2 Nissa, Voice of Zendikar 2 Reclaiming Vines  Display deck statisticsThe idea is that you can get 2 mana off of a scion with Cryptolith Rites by making a scion tap for mana, then saccing it. You can start ramping and scrying a LOT with Evolutionary Leap out. Angry Grimace fucked around with this message at 23:08 on Mar 29, 2016 |
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Lancelot posted:"mm yes $800 for basic lands" "mmm yes more than pennies on cardboard" -literally all of us
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Lancelot posted:"mm yes $800 for basic lands" As someone who has a tabernacle, the $800 basic land dude would at least get more play out of it. 
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Chill la Chill posted:As someone who has a tabernacle, the $800 basic land dude would at least get more play out of it. obviously you should get that tabernacle altered (or altared  )
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netcat posted:They also probably won't reprint planeswalkers anymore due to story reasons. I'm curious to hear why you think it's story that's keeping Wizards from re-printing planeswalkers. I would have guessed that money is a much more likely reason, as new planeswalkers drive a lot of interest in new sets even if they don't turn out to be that good. Conversely, a know quantity planeswalker would generate much less interest, unless it was something really rad like LotV. For the record, I think EDM would be a logical place to reprint LotV for both story and mechanics purposes, but I'm definitely not holding my breath. Then again, someone at Wizards must have surely noticed how much hype a few high-profiles reprints can lend to an otherwise forgettable set (see: BFZ/OGW).
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The only reason story should keep them from reprinting a given planeswalker is if something about that planeswalker has changed from the form depicted on the card. E.g., story would be a fine reason not to reprint Vryn's Prodigy in a storyline set, unless it's another set that occurs in the appropriate time and place. Similarly, I wouldn't expect them to reprint the early Garruks in storyline sets anytime soon. But as long as we can still describe some part of Jace's portfolio as "sculpting minds," then the flavor door is wide open for the eponymous card to be reprinted (not to say there aren't substantial other reasons why that will never happen in a normal set).
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Is this format really going to be slow? Like obviously Black has access to Languish and the other 3cmc -x/-x's but there's a lot of aggro tools and fair amount of reach, especially MonoRed and BR. Like wraths are a thing and all but you can play around them and rebuild your board or rely on burn to push through so Im not sure I get this idea that decks like Vampires are going to scoop to a Languish, at least the first one.
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The Cryptolith Deck is dumb as gently caress. It's pretty annoying and full of insane person decisions. It's like: Turn 1: Land, Loam Dryad Turn 2: Land, Elvish Visionary Turn 3, Land, Cryptolith Rites, Elvish Visionary, Deathcap Collector Turn 4, Scion Summorer, Westvale Abbey, Tap, sac, Ormendahl. Nissa is just unreasonable in this deck too. Granted, you'd probably just scoop up your cards to a Virulent Plague or a Flaying Tendrils, but its still ridiculous. Angry Grimace fucked around with this message at 23:57 on Mar 29, 2016 |
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Rimusutera posted:Is this format really going to be slow? Like obviously Black has access to Languish and the other 3cmc -x/-x's but there's a lot of aggro tools and fair amount of reach, especially MonoRed and BR. the vampire deck's problem is it can be off to the races but really lacks decent payoff. So you're limiting yourself to a single tribe for basically no reason.
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Angry Grimace posted:The Cryptolith Deck is dumb as gently caress. It's pretty annoying and full of insane person decisions. How do you get six mana on turn 3? The second Visionary has summoning sickness.
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Zoness posted:obviously you should get that tabernacle altered (or altared Even if rk post and Klug teamed up to alter it, it would end up disappointing someone. 
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Some Numbers posted:How do you get six mana on turn 3? The second Visionary has summoning sickness. Use loam dryad to tap it?
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Voyager I posted:Part of what makes Falkenrath good, aside from being a 3 power flyer attacking on turn 3, is that it's a free discard outlet (they seem to have been very shy about printing those) so in a deck that plays it you can probably be pitching a madness card rather than taking straight card disadvantage. It's a onetime discard outlet, meaning it is going to often be a "use it or lose it" enabler - you're going to face the reality where you often either get to discard prematurely or lose your enabler all together. If you're playing heir on turn 2 with the hopes of using it to enable madness you're often going to be disappointed.
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A big flaming stink posted:Use loam dryad to tap it? But then you can't tap the loam dryad to produce mana from the Cryptoliths, so you're still losing a mana somewhere.
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I wanna play green black delirium real bad.
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I probably just counted wrong. There's a lot of weird plays in the deck, its pretty hard to play right. It's more like Turn 1: Forest, Loam Dryad Turn 2: Llanowar Wastes, Loam Dryad, Cryptolith Rites Turn 3: Westvale Abbey, Catacomb Sifter, Scion Summoner Turn 4: Swing with Demon, Play Zendikar Resurgent, play Ulamog, cast Nissa and minus, any of those things seem good It's usually a turn or two slower than that though. Angry Grimace fucked around with this message at 00:10 on Mar 30, 2016 |
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A big flaming stink posted:Use loam dryad to tap it? Loam Dryad gives you 1 mana regardless due to Cryptolith Rites.
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vandalism posted:I wanna play green black delirium real bad. Yeah Same. Here's my starting point: 4 Jace, Vryn's Prodigy 4 Sylvan Advocate 1 Nissa, Vastwood Seer 1 Den Protector 4 Mindwrack Demon 1 The Gitrog Monster 3 Dead Weight 4 Traverse the Ulvenwald 2 Just the Wind 2 Oath of Jace 2 Autumnal Gloom 3 Painful Truths 4 To the Slaughter 4 evolving wilds 4 hissing quagmire 4 sunken hollow 2 lumbering falls 3 llanowar wastes 3 yavimaya coast 2 swamp 2 island 1 forest
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Balon posted:It's a onetime discard outlet, meaning it is going to often be a "use it or lose it" enabler - you're going to face the reality where you often either get to discard prematurely or lose your enabler all together. If you're playing heir on turn 2 with the hopes of using it to enable madness you're often going to be disappointed. There seems to be a decent collection of cards that are playable and have reasonable madness costs; not good enough to build around pitching, especially since so many of the discard outlets also cost mana, but enough that having something to use with Falkenrath on T3 doesn't seem like an unreasonable barrier or something that you will have to build the deck around.
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vandalism posted:I wanna play green black delirium real bad. Here's what I've been testing. I've been waffling back and forth on Gitrog being the curve topper and including colorless in the form of Reality Smasher/Thought-Knot. Deck: GB Delirium Tester //Lands 4 Evolving Wilds 6 Forest 2 Hissing Quagmire 4 Llanowar Wastes 8 Swamp //Spells 4 Gather the Pack  2 Grasp of Darkness 2 Ob Nixilis Reignited  4 Sinister Concoction 4 To the Slaughter  2 Traverse the Ulvenwald //Creatures 3 Deathcap Cultivator 4 Hangarback Walker  4 Heir of Falkenrath 4 Mindwrack Demon 3 The Gitrog Monster //Sideboard 4 Dead Weight 3 Self-Inflicted Wound 1 Grasp of Darkness 3 Languish 2 Ultimate Price 2 Duress Display deck statisticsOne thing to note is that Deckstats currently lists To the Slaughter as a sorcery rather than an instant.
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