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Baron Snow posted:Umbra Samaritan rules went up today. It is S2. So glad I ain't gotta buy any new models for my Onyx apart from Rodoks and new stuff.
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Pheasants get Haris! My 3 Pheasant won't go to waste, yaay! 
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Mar 30, 2016 17:49
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Does anyone else have a lot of trouble with the forums? I swear, every time I try to log on I need to reset my password. I also can't get Army to sync with my ITS account (again password issues).
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Mar 30, 2016 17:53
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Forums are OK, might be a temporary hug-of-death from the HSN3 hype. Army ITS sync, OTOH, is usually hosed. On another topic, I can have a full core fireteam, a haris, AND a duo now? Well hello there   Japanese Sectorial Army────────────────────────────────────────────────── Group 1   11  0  5 DOMARU Lieutenant Chain Rifle, E/M Grenades / Pistol, E/M CCW. (25) DOMARU Chain Rifle, E/M Grenades / Pistol, E/M CCW. (25) HARAMAKI Missile Launcher / Pistol, DA CCW. (1.5 | 33) HARAMAKI Blitzen, Combi Rifle / Pistol, DA CCW. (30) HARAMAKI Blitzen, Contender / Pistol, AP CCW. (22) HARAMAKI Blitzen, Contender / Pistol, AP CCW. (22) HARAMAKI Blitzen, Contender / Pistol, AP CCW. (22) KARAKURI Mk12, Chain Rifle, D.E.P. / Pistol, Knife. (40) KARAKURI Combi Rifle, Chain Rifle, D.E.P. / Pistol, Knife. (35) KARAKURI Heavy Shotgun, Chain Rifle, D.E.P. / Pistol, Knife. (35) GUĬ FĒNG Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (11 / 12XP) MOV:4-4 CC:14 BS:11 PH:10 WIP:16 ARM:1 BTS:0 W:1 Hacking Device, Engineer, Holoprojector L11.5 SWC | 300 Points Open with Army 5
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Mar 30, 2016 18:30
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I am just a kid at christmas right now, waited all day to watch Beasts of Wars' appalling videos, really excited by all the new hacking stuff (cool rock/paper/scissors of having a killer hacker in the wings to counter-hack anyone trying to assault-hack your remotes etc, provided they're repeaters, and it really repays canny play, keeping your camo hacker un-revealed or in hidden deployment) just devastating EVO abilities, although we haven't seen all new profiles yet, I fail to see why an army, especially one which takes hackers and/or remotes, wouldn't use one. Waiting till after dinner to watch the fireteam video. Love this game. I say appalling videos, because while I lap up the info, these guys' attempts at banter are just absolutely painful. Zero charisma or charm there, and at least one of them is also pig-ignorant of how the game works. I appreciate that's a bit of a Watson effect to help novice or just-interested players watching to get into it, but as an experienced player I find the guy so irritating. The CB rep could tell me all the information in this video in 10 minutes, easily. Pierzak posted:Forums are OK, might be a temporary hug-of-death from the HSN3 hype. Army ITS sync, OTOH, is usually hosed. Haha, fireteams are awesome now. God drat, this update is going to introduce new and fun ways to play the game.
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Mar 30, 2016 19:05
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Baron Snow posted:Umbra Samaritan rules went up today. It is S2. Ugh. If I ever buy it, I'm chopping a huge chunk off the base.
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Mar 30, 2016 20:05
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Changes look cool and good, but holy poo poo I was just starting to get my head around what hacking devices can do what, and suddenly here's three more.
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Mar 30, 2016 20:06
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Hortism posted:Changes look cool and good, but holy poo poo I was just starting to get my head around what hacking devices can do what, and suddenly here's three more. I find that Hacking devices are kind of like grenades or other speculative shot weapons - you realise on the drive home just how you could have used it to devastating effect, but like a fool you tunnel visioned into the normal BS attacks. Happened to me recently when I was being suppressed by an elite PanO HI on an objective. I foolishly used a Bandit to try and dodge into Close Combat (which would have been nearly even odds anyway) when the drat thing was an assault hacker anyway - if I'd hacked, it would have at the very least forced him to break suppression and Reset. I think these changes are helping to bring hacking to where it needs to be - a really effective side game in certain situations, but not the end-all and be-all. More of a field-leveller against hard targets.
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Mar 30, 2016 20:18
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I know I'm not very experienced in the game but being able to put two TAGS in a fire team seems insanely good. Also, with all the changes to Fireteams is there a reason to keep them to sectorials only, no if ands or buts?
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Mar 30, 2016 20:21
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Pierzak posted:Forums are OK, might be a temporary hug-of-death from the HSN3 hype. Army ITS sync, OTOH, is usually hosed. Nice 11 order combat group you got there  (also ISS does it better)IJW wrote up an article on the updated Riot Grrrls: http://www.beastsofwar.com/featured/riot-grrls-bakunin-bonanza/ Should make the Bakunin and Grrrrrrl fans really happy e: Macdeo Lurjtux posted:I know I'm not very experienced in the game but being able to put two TAGS in a fire team seems insanely good. Bear Throne fucked around with this message at 20:34 on Mar 30, 2016 |
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Mar 30, 2016 20:31
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:I know I'm not very experienced in the game but being able to put two TAGS in a fire team seems insanely good. So it sounds like Duo fireteams only will be available to non-sectorial forces, if you take an EVO repeater for the supportware. A lot of new players have the initial reaction that fireteams make sectorial armies a stronger choice than vanilla armies. This is categorically not the case, flexibility and the ability to surprise your opponent are more valuable than raw stats in Infinity. I also think that building an army around fireteam advantages is slightly better than it looks, because those advantages will degrade rapidly when you start taking wounds, and you are giving up a lot of flexibility in the tools you can use in the active turn, and in your board position, because fireteam coherency makes you much more vulnerable to templates. If you take a sectorial you give up the ability to cherry pick the best tools across your entire faction, often this is better than a fireteam. If you take a fireteam, you are committing to deploying a chunk of points in a smallish area, possibly vulnerable to blasts, and possibly not in the ideal positions you would choose for them as individuals. You are then committed to playing them a certain way, and the points of the team are often all bound to the same strengths and weaknesses of that troop type - for example, an elite HI shooting team being marginalised by smoke or ODD, because they lack a MSV. You are just more predictable, and although you have the significant bonuses to Burst, SSL2, and BS/WIP, those will degrade and it won't overcome all other disadvantages in a FtF roll. I'd always take a fireteam (of at least the line infantry sort, which being a lower investment are a bit more unambiguously advantageous) when playing a sectorial army - but I wouldn't necessarily always rate a sectorial over a vanilla force.
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Mar 30, 2016 20:38
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I haven't seen the video on hacking, but uh... the Samaritan has Haris on a hacker loadout. I was assuming the big disadvantage of the Haris TAG-team was lack of specialist, but no. You get a specialist too. A super-jumping NWI specialist.
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Mar 30, 2016 20:57
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That said, the more solid choice is probably a conventional list. I think the real key will be what Nexus operatives are like, but until then I'm looking at something like this: Combined Army────────────────────────────────────────────────── GROUP 1   8  UMBRA LEGATE Lieutenant Spitfire, Flash Pulse / Pistol, DA CCW. (1.5 | 41) UNIDRON Plasma Sniper Rifle / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (1.5 | 24) UNIDRON K1 Combi Rifle + 1 TinBot A (Deflector L1) / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0.5 | 17) UNIDRON (Forward Observer) Plasma Carbine / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 15) UNIDRON (Forward Observer) Plasma Carbine / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 15) MAAKREP TRACKER HMG / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 33) MED-TECH OBSIDON MEDCHANOID Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 23) SLAVE DRONE Electric Pulse. (0 | 3) SLAVE DRONE Electric Pulse. (0 | 3) M-DRONE Combi Rifle, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 17)GROUP 2 7  FRAACTA (EI Assault Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 35) FRAACTA Boarding Shotgun, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 28) E-DRONE Combi Rifle / Electric Pulse. (0.5 | 20) IKADRON (Baggage, Repeater) 2 Light Flamethrowers, Flash Pulse / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 9) IKADRON (Baggage, Repeater) 2 Light Flamethrowers, Flash Pulse / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 9) ÍMETRON Electric Pulse. (0 | 4) ÍMETRON Electric Pulse. (0 | 4)6 SWC | 300 Points Open in Infinity Army
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Mar 30, 2016 21:15
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Corbeau posted:That said, the more solid choice is probably a conventional list. I think the real key will be what Nexus operatives are like, but until then I'm looking at something like this: I'm trying like hell to hold off any Infinity-Army building until the builder is fully updated with new profiles and points costs, I'll just wind myself up otherwise. I like the list but I'd at least start 1 fraacta in the first group.
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Mar 30, 2016 21:17
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Bear Throne posted:Nice 11 order combat group you got there  Also, "everyone gets a haris" discussion on main forum led to ridiculous ideas. Like a Yan Huo haris. Costs a fuckton of SWC, so let's keep one HRMC for high burst, one 2ML for a devastating AROs, and have a cheap one for filling. And since chain rifles seem to have a straight negative cost and Yan Huo armors have multiple weapon mounts, the insane genius of Yuchinese engineering created the Chain Huo: 
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Mar 30, 2016 21:37
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I dunno. Maybe it could use another pair of chain rifles?
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Mar 30, 2016 21:38
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I am sad that MRRF got pushed back, but US Ariadna is looking pretty nice.
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Mar 30, 2016 21:44
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grassy gnoll posted:I dunno. Maybe it could use another pair of chain rifles? Did you count the hidden ones mounted in his wrist plates Karakuri-style?
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Mar 30, 2016 21:44
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Corbeau posted:I haven't seen the video on hacking, but uh... the Samaritan has Haris on a hacker loadout. I was assuming the big disadvantage of the Haris TAG-team was lack of specialist, but no. You get a specialist too. A super-jumping NWI specialist.
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Mar 30, 2016 22:14
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Pierzak posted:Did you count the hidden ones mounted in his wrist plates Karakuri-style? I've been such a fool.
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Mar 30, 2016 22:18
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Pierzak posted:I guess I should kick the spec or the domarus out then, it's a plaything anyway. Also, where's your all-HI ISS list? Hey the list was about triple fire teams, all HI wasn't part of the deal. Anyway I was referring to the fact that ISS can do it with Su Jian, but now Bakunin is where it's at. quote:Group 1 Corbeau posted:That said, the more solid choice is probably a conventional list. I think the real key will be what Nexus operatives are like, but until then I'm looking at something like this: Counterpoint: Fortune favors the bold!  quote:Umbra Legate Lt. (K1 Combi) 40/.5
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Mar 31, 2016 00:47
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Close to what I built initially, but I'd switch the spitfire Unidron for another FO and stick the Spitfire on the Legate Lt.
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Mar 31, 2016 01:02
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Bear Throne posted:Hey the list was about triple fire teams, all HI wasn't part of the deal. Anyway I was referring to the fact that ISS can do it with Su Jian, but now Bakunin is where it's at. And the Bakunin stuff is disgusting.
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Mar 31, 2016 01:09
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Nice! Just saw a big stack of Human Sphere books at Adepticon. Gettin' hyped.
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Mar 31, 2016 01:21
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Oh man, those Riot Grrl buffs and new profiles. And I wasn't expecting an all-new HI. It's going to be hard for me to pick the big guy in my forces with all these choices.
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Mar 31, 2016 01:24
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I feel a little better that I'm going to start Bakunin to go with the rest of my Nomads, and I'm hype about new Riot Grrls, but... Haris Wildcats. 
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Mar 31, 2016 01:38
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Just bought two Noctifers and Rodoks and now I own everything that is out for Onyx. 
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Mar 31, 2016 01:41
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gently caress there's no way I'm going to keep up with all the new poo poo for all my armies. Time to cast down one or two of em till later. Sadly looks like it might be ol Pan O, who have gotten the least interesting releases lately.
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Mar 31, 2016 12:55
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Hortism posted:Sadly looks like it might be ol Pan O, who have gotten the least interesting releases lately. This deffo seems to be the case.
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Mar 31, 2016 15:42
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Genghis Cohen posted:I'd always take a fireteam (of at least the line infantry sort, which being a lower investment are a bit more unambiguously advantageous) when playing a sectorial army - but I wouldn't necessarily always rate a sectorial over a vanilla force. If the Samaritan goes down, does the Haris fireteam link break? Also, new Infinity RPG stuff is coming, they put out the rules for character gen and its either "Pick what you want, point buy style" or "Roll randomly, its traveler as gently caress"
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Mar 31, 2016 15:54
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They actually just put out a character generator prototype, too. Although it may be melting under the load right now: http://infinity.modiphiusapps.hostinguk.org/CharacterCreator
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Mar 31, 2016 16:14
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Just picked up my Samaritan, this model is big.
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Mar 31, 2016 16:15
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Flipswitch posted:Just picked up my Samaritan, this model is big. Is it possible to have it without the smoke effect?
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Mar 31, 2016 17:13
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Flipswitch posted:Just picked up my Samaritan, this model is big. Yeah its a big ole' Silhouette, meant to draw sniper fire to it. Laphroaig fucked around with this message at 17:27 on Mar 31, 2016 |
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Mar 31, 2016 17:25
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New ISS starter shown at Adepticon - photos are up on Infinity forums - looks like 3 Celestial Guard, Zhanying ML, Pheasant with rifle, Crane with spitfire - models are dope as gently caress. I've always liked the idea of ISS, but obviously a lot of models are due for resculpts, as with many factions, and I'm not sure if they'd hold my interest tactically. Cool though.
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Mar 31, 2016 17:54
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Not a viking posted:Is it possible to have it without the smoke effect?
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Mar 31, 2016 18:36
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Laphroaig posted:Yeah its a big ole' Silhouette, meant to draw sniper fire to it. Its still S2, which is kind of ridiculous. I can imagine having to swap it with the actual silouette so many times during a game that I'll just use the legate model instead of buying this.
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I've been a Haqq player for a long time, and I'm getting kinda bummed out by my faction's treatment by Human Sphere. Please help me feel better about this. We used to be the only faction with a BS attack affecting BTS (Viral), and then the Tohaa become "the Viral faction." Same for Regeneration being largely trumped by Symbiote Armor. Doctors are cool, but with Medkits being ranged now, spending the extra orders to get into base-to-base for that to matter is a lot harder to justify. Especially since the doctor upgrade costs twice as much as a medic, almost enough to add a Ghazi. Impersonation is cool, but now every rear end in a top hat with an HD+ has access to it. Haris was a flavorful way to distinguish Qapu Khalqi as being well organized, but that's been given to every faction now (including things like Wulvers, who can make terrifying use of it). This is pretty actively upsetting to me, since being able to add that second link was unique among non-Aleph/Tohaa factions. Still no special remotes, meaning the Supportware programs are of generally less use. I guess I'm having a hard time with what the faction identity is supposed to be. I love the fluff and the sculpts, but I feel like (other than lots of doctors, which is mostly a way to spend lots of points) anything I can do, another faction can do it better. What am I missing?
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Signal posted:I've been a Haqq player for a long time, and I'm getting kinda bummed out by my faction's treatment by Human Sphere. Please help me feel better about this. I rescind my statement about PanO being left out.
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Signal posted:I've been a Haqq player for a long time, and I'm getting kinda bummed out by my faction's treatment by Human Sphere. Please help me feel better about this. Well, Haqqislam is still the faction for doctors, believe me using a medipack for a chance to miss on BS, then a PH-3 roll, typically 7 or 8, is not a great way to save orders! Using a Haqqislam doctor plus on 17s, possibly re-rolling if your target has a Cube, is a lot better. I can see why you say those things about Haris/Impersonation/Viral, but I fundamentally disagree with your reasoning. Infinity is balanced, at the bottom of things, by having all units pay an appropriate points cost. I have always maintained to new players that it's not a game like 40k, where Orks are Orks, Eldar are Eldar, and those imply fixed differences in key stats. All factions in Infinity are essentially the same. Differences come from the availability level and possible combinations of specific skills. This then generates a hell of a lot more differences in players' lists because each faction, even sectorials, have broad options; because these options are well balanced, a variety is seen. (not like a 40k army where there are 30 units in a codex and no-one ever uses 25 of them in tournaments, because the other 5 are far better) So I think that factions' rules in Infinity always have and always will overlapped almost-completely. In fact, although I don't consider it a major problem, I'm opposed in principle to Tohaa getting special-snowflake alien kit rules, supposedly to make them 'feel different'. I prefer the approach taken with CA, which largely uses the same weapons with only 1 or 2 self-contained special skills and upgrades to reflect their technology's alien origin. I actively enjoy the fact that all factions draw on the same rules, and the main difference is the look of the models. In a real game, I never feel as if I'm playing the same army as my opponent (I only partially play this way when playing against my own faction!) due to the number of options available.
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