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LibertyCat posted:They can demand sovereignty, insist that they never signed a treaty, and that the Australia Government has no claim - but if you can't pass your own laws , collect your own taxes and boot out everyone who isn't a "citizen" you're obviously not a Sovereign Nation. Recognizing the "Continuing Sovereignty of First Nations" (as NIRS announces each day) is ignoring reality. Actual sovereignty is a pipe dream. "If they were real, they would have had the british legal/real estate system", is one of the worst and most abusive ideas in world history
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# ? Mar 31, 2016 17:13 |
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we should all own guns to protect from home invaders, because if you can't defend it is not really yours. If you don't have a gun, that guy breaking in and killing you for your TV is just taking what is rightfully his.
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# ? Mar 31, 2016 17:17 |
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Negligent posted:we should all own guns to protect from home invaders, because if you can't defend it is not really yours. gently caress yeah i'll fuckin kill a man for my teev, fuckin' NUTCASE Takin' a MAN'S FUCKIN HOT SEAT, WITH EDDIE TO HELL
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Negligent posted:we should all own guns to protect from home invaders, because if you can't defend it is not really yours. Oh god the IPA got to you too.
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# ? Mar 31, 2016 17:35 |
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LibertyCat posted:They can demand sovereignty, insist that they never signed a treaty, and that the Australia Government has no claim - but if you can't pass your own laws , collect your own taxes and boot out everyone who isn't a "citizen" you're obviously not a Sovereign Nation. Recognizing the "Continuing Sovereignty of First Nations" (as NIRS announces each day) is ignoring reality. Actual sovereignty is a pipe dream.
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# ? Mar 31, 2016 19:19 |
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"Force, my friends, is violence, the supreme authority from which all other authority is derived"
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# ? Mar 31, 2016 19:40 |
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LibertyCat posted:They can demand sovereignty, insist that they never signed a treaty, and that the Australia Government has no claim - but if you can't pass your own laws , collect your own taxes and boot out everyone who isn't a "citizen" you're obviously not a Sovereign Nation. Recognizing the "Continuing Sovereignty of First Nations" (as NIRS announces each day) is ignoring reality. Actual sovereignty is a pipe dream. Can we just hang this at the start of each new thread like some kind of corpse on a gibbet
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# ? Mar 31, 2016 22:14 |
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Here are some helpful articles https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_jure https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_facto
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LibertyCat posted:They can demand sovereignty, insist that they never signed a treaty, and that the Australia Government has no claim - but if you can't pass your own laws , collect your own taxes and boot out everyone who isn't a "citizen" you're obviously not a Sovereign Nation. Recognizing the "Continuing Sovereignty of First Nations" (as NIRS announces each day) is ignoring reality. Actual sovereignty is a pipe dream. You are a racist piece of poo poo
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LibertyCat posted:They can demand sovereignty, insist that they never signed a treaty, and that the Australia Government has no claim - but if you can't pass your own laws , collect your own taxes and boot out everyone who isn't a "citizen" you're obviously not a Sovereign Nation. Recognizing the "Continuing Sovereignty of First Nations" (as NIRS announces each day) is ignoring reality. Actual sovereignty is a pipe dream. Your three tests of a sovereign nation (that you pulled out of the air) already happen though? LibertyCat posted:Let's be blunt; when the Europeans arrived, they were not greeted by a collection of civilized nations. Australia was inhabited by illiterate stone-age tribes that could never have defended their homeland from any settlement by other groups. I wish it hadn't involved bloodshed but I don't see any feasible way the original inhabitants could have kept ownership of the continent into the 1900s. Illiterate - wrong Stone-age - white man category Defended from settlement - happened, lots of white people were killed, but the boats kept coming with more white people. Kept ownership - if white people hadn't invaded You're talking about a group of peoples that has the least evidence of large-scale destructive wars, had solved the population crisis, invented sustainable living on a continent scale, and in Thursday Island formed a southern Constantinople of international trade. What did white man bring? Individualism as religion. Oh yeah and white man has slowly been losing since federation, genocide was so much easier when Australia was a colony.
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Negligent posted:Going armed to a place to know is inhabited by others is textbook definition of invasion As I said earlier I don't have a problem calling it an Invasion, although it'd have to be the easiest invasion on record.
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LibertyCat posted:As I said earlier I don't have a problem calling it an Invasion, although it'd have to be the easiest invasion on record. Uh it wasn't easy? And this is from the white man side too
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# ? Apr 1, 2016 00:14 |
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asio posted:Illiterate - wrong I don't recall anyone finding aboriginal written texts dating prior to European settlement, have you got a link? quote:Stone-age - white man category quote:Defended from settlement - happened, lots of white people were killed, but the boats kept coming with more white people. quote:You're talking about a group of peoples that has the least evidence of large-scale destructive wars, had solved the population crisis, invented sustainable living on a continent scale, and in Thursday Island formed a southern Constantinople of international trade. And what did it get them? As soon as another culture (with access to modern technology) decided it was mildly interested in taking over, they were done for. The Invasion was so easy most people don't consider it one because it was so massively one-sided. quote:What did white man bring? Individualism as religion. As well as a few thousand years of technological developments. No-one has (on a large scale) decided giving up books, metal tools houses etc is a step forward. quote:Oh yeah and white man has slowly been losing since federation, genocide was so much easier when Australia was a colony I don't follow you, i don't want anyone to experience genocide.
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# ? Apr 1, 2016 00:20 |
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asio posted:Uh it wasn't easy? And this is from the white man side too Which invasions had a higher km^2 territory gained : aggressor death ratio?
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# ? Apr 1, 2016 00:22 |
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ITT PissCat looks at a triangle and says it has the wrong syntax also don't touch the poop
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# ? Apr 1, 2016 00:27 |
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April fools?
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# ? Apr 1, 2016 00:29 |
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You know you goofed when you're being mocked by Negligent.
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# ? Apr 1, 2016 00:47 |
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LibertyCat posted:I don't recall anyone finding aboriginal written texts dating prior to European settlement, have you got a link? what is traditional rock art et al. quote:That doesn't make it invalid. These people were savages, and we gave them ~culture~ quote:It wasn't purely a numbers game and you know it. Europeans had massively advanced militaries (in comparison) and had greater numbers due to agriculture, cities, and the other hallmarks of civilization. ????
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# ? Apr 1, 2016 01:14 |
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Pretty sure the quality of life enjoyed by your average indigenous person in the mid 1700s would have been much higher than your average british peasant living in London. That's even before the massive drop in quality of life experienced by those peasants about to be sucked into the industrialised capitalist machine.
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# ? Apr 1, 2016 01:32 |
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deffo sure the average indigenous person in... ever was smarter than pisscat is in twenty six teen
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# ? Apr 1, 2016 01:38 |
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Shocked to learn that a libertarian is really racist
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Solemn Sloth posted:Shocked to learn that a libertarian is really racist Its like the worlds shittiest joke reveal.
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# ? Apr 1, 2016 01:49 |
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sidviscous posted:"Force, my friends, is violence, the supreme authority from which all other authority is derived" I would like to know more!
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# ? Apr 1, 2016 01:52 |
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Anyone got American libertarian screeds about how the 'homesteading' of America was the only just theft of property?
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# ? Apr 1, 2016 01:55 |
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:Anyone got American libertarian screeds about how the 'homesteading' of America was the only just theft of property? https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3636681
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LibertyCat posted:Which invasions had a higher km^2 territory gained : aggressor death ratio? The Anschluss?
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LibertyCat posted:Which invasions had a higher km^2 territory gained : aggressor death ratio? Lol the colonies almost fell apart multiple times and was only ever saved by more boats propping up the population until the zerg factor overcame incompetence. Also please look up the definition of genocide.
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# ? Apr 1, 2016 02:13 |
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:The Anschluss? Nah they were invited
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# ? Apr 1, 2016 02:13 |
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Little did the British know that by doing this they created Australia. Go back in time and show Captain Cook this thread, problem solved. I remember a bunch of lovely shows on the History Channel saying that the British were a mere few days away from being beaten by the Dutch. Speaking dutch would be pretty rad.
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# ? Apr 1, 2016 02:18 |
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April Fools! It's actually the 21st century, not the 19th hahaha had you going guise! I was just playing the role of an ignorant social Darwinist, see. Now where did I put my cultural relativism hat and post-modern cloak? Back in the adult world (just the juicy bits): quote:Senator Arthur Sinodinos' demand that references to him be removed from an explosive NSW Electoral Commission statement about a political donations scandal has been firmly rejected by the commission. Did I say adult? April Fools.
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# ? Apr 1, 2016 02:20 |
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Anidav posted:Little did the British know that by doing this they created Australia. Go back in time and show Captain Cook this thread, problem solved. Wanna read an alt history on this. Imagine being able to ride your pushie around without being told to get off the loving road by a bloke listening to AJ talkback.
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# ? Apr 1, 2016 02:29 |
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Anidav posted:Little did the British know that by doing this they created Australia. Go back in time and show Captain Cook this thread, problem solved. The French, but close enough.
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# ? Apr 1, 2016 02:34 |
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South Africa called to remind everyone that the Dutch weren't any better.
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# ? Apr 1, 2016 02:38 |
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Hey I haven't had foxtel in a decade. Pretty sure every colonial power had a toe in Australia and was an wax sealed envelope away from invading it. I'm not sure how you'd rank them in regards to genocidal brutality though. Maybe some of the other Great Powers would've tried softer assimilation but that's just fictional theorycrafting because they were all racist to an extent back in the day.
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# ? Apr 1, 2016 02:39 |
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"Back in the day"
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# ? Apr 1, 2016 02:41 |
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Well, much worse than now. They don't keep African Children in Zoos anymore I hope...
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# ? Apr 1, 2016 02:43 |
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I can't believe how good this thread is!
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# ? Apr 1, 2016 02:48 |
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Skellybones posted:I can't believe how good this thread is! Colonial chat: Of all the colonial powers you definitely didn't want to be colonised by (in order of badness). Belgium (anybody remember the Congo?) Spain (Hello Central and South America!) then it's a nil all tie between England, Holland, Germany, France, Portugal, Other.
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# ? Apr 1, 2016 02:57 |
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Ottoman Australia.
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# ? Apr 1, 2016 02:58 |
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LibertyCat you should have a read into Colonisation's effects on Indiginous Australians and then look into the process of Decolonisation
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