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*before starting this thread
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# ? Apr 1, 2016 03:01 |
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# ? May 25, 2024 15:33 |
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LibertyCat posted:I don't recall anyone finding aboriginal written texts dating prior to European settlement, have you got a link? Are these posts real? "aboriginals didn't have a civilization because they didn't have books and cannons" What are you even arguing here? That because the invasion of white people was one-sided they deserved to be occupied?
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# ? Apr 1, 2016 03:01 |
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I mean when you think about it you lefties if we are to accept historical materialism for a moment, without the British invasion of Australia, Australia might have had to undergo several very intensely awful epochs if the Aboriginals had eventually developed agriculture. By fast-tracking them to capitalism they're that much closer to living in your socialist paradise.
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# ? Apr 1, 2016 03:15 |
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How did the German Colonies go? Never learned much about them. They probably collapsed like Liberia.
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# ? Apr 1, 2016 03:28 |
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Anidav posted:How did the German Colonies go? Never learned much about them. They probably collapsed like Liberia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust
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# ? Apr 1, 2016 03:33 |
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Anidav posted:How did the German Colonies go? Never learned much about them. They probably collapsed like Liberia. We picked one up cheap in 1919 thanks to the treaty of Versailles.
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# ? Apr 1, 2016 03:34 |
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I thought they had east africa?
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# ? Apr 1, 2016 03:35 |
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Anidav posted:I thought they had east africa?
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# ? Apr 1, 2016 03:39 |
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Anidav posted:I thought they had east africa? Yeah and west. Nairobi,
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# ? Apr 1, 2016 03:44 |
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The main reason for the world wars was that the Germans and the Italians were butthurt about their weak colonial game.
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# ? Apr 1, 2016 03:45 |
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open24hours posted:The main reason for the world wars was that the Germans and the Italians were butthurt about their weak colonial game. Where were Sweden then
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# ? Apr 1, 2016 04:11 |
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I see the Liability Cat thread is running just as expected. Only 29 more days left!
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# ? Apr 1, 2016 04:12 |
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fickle poofterist posted:Where were Sweden then They were too busy building Saabs and Volvos and having hot tub parties
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# ? Apr 1, 2016 04:14 |
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Does anyone know any articles that outline what Asylum Seekers can currently apply for or are given visa wise depending on how they arrived in Australia? (or didn't)
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# ? Apr 1, 2016 04:15 |
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Wasn't there an article recently about how out of 1500 people who actually applied through the "correct" channels only about 30 have been accepted? The answer is the borders are closed unless you're coming from white countries.
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# ? Apr 1, 2016 04:19 |
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starkebn posted:The answer is the borders are closed unless you're coming from white countries.
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# ? Apr 1, 2016 04:26 |
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MonoAus posted:Are these posts real? This is exactly what he is arguing. He said as much in last month's thread: LibertyCat posted:
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# ? Apr 1, 2016 04:30 |
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bowmore posted:Nah they are closed unless you get here on a legit visa and then apply for refugee status, your hosed otherwise as far as I can tell yeah so basically ' starkebn posted:The answer is the borders are closed unless you're coming from white countries.
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# ? Apr 1, 2016 04:50 |
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quote:'It is withdrawn': Premiers reject Malcolm Turnbull's push to allow states to levy income tax http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...401-gnw4pc.html
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# ? Apr 1, 2016 05:55 |
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Well that was agile, killed off after two days.
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# ? Apr 1, 2016 05:55 |
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Anidav posted:How did the German Colonies go? Never learned much about them. They probably collapsed like Liberia. About as well as any European colony in Africa (see: rampant genocide).
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# ? Apr 1, 2016 05:58 |
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Gotta fail fast.
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# ? Apr 1, 2016 05:59 |
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lol I guess it will be used as an excuse to deny the states funding though "We tried, we offered a perfectly workable solution that would have given the states access to the money they need but they didn't want it but I guess they don't actually want the money badly enough "
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# ? Apr 1, 2016 06:02 |
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gay picnic defence posted:lol That would be a dangerous move, though. Federal govt doesn't want the states in revolt against them because it makes life super difficult.
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# ? Apr 1, 2016 06:04 |
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Cartoon posted:It's gone noon in the eastern states Skelly. The A bomb isn't happening any more. It was 11:48 when I posted that, southern scum.
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# ? Apr 1, 2016 06:10 |
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Endman posted:That would be a dangerous move, though. Federal govt doesn't want the states in revolt against them because it makes life super difficult. Well they certainly hosed up handling Victoria then.
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# ? Apr 1, 2016 06:35 |
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From the ostagram thread:
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# ? Apr 1, 2016 06:42 |
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Endman posted:That would be a dangerous move, though. Federal govt doesn't want the states in revolt against them because it makes life super difficult. The whole thing was a dangerous move from the start. I mean as if you wouldn't discuss it with the states in private beforehand instead of announcing it to the world and looking like a complete tit when you back away from it 48 hours later.
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# ? Apr 1, 2016 06:56 |
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Malcolm Turnbull isn't turning out as well as people had hoped
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# ? Apr 1, 2016 07:06 |
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Could they be deliberately trying to look bad in the hopes of giving Labour an election edge so they're left holding the economic slowdown/crash hot potato? Too much credit? I keep thinking this is plausible but I am constantly surprised by the dumb choices of others.
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# ? Apr 1, 2016 07:11 |
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Negligent posted:Malcolm Turnbull isn't turning out as well as people had hoped A lot of people thought that he was going to turn the Liberal party leftwards. I imagine he's doing considerably better than many of the Liberal voter base hoped.
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# ? Apr 1, 2016 07:13 |
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Veering back towards Australian invasion discussion... it was definitely a horrible murderous dispossession of the land's native inhabitants which continues to disadvantage them to this day, but, having said that, I can't say that I'd rather be an Aboriginal in the 1700s than an Aboriginal today. And I don't like all the stuff where people go on about how the Aboriginals "lived in perfect harmony with nature" etc. It's close to noble savage stuff. Didn't they wipe out all the megafauna? Humans are humans, we shouldn't be idealising any sort of society.
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# ? Apr 1, 2016 07:47 |
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The Aztecs also ripped people's hearts out en masse in order to appease their gods, but the Spanish invasion of Central America was still super bad.
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# ? Apr 1, 2016 07:52 |
freebooter posted:And I don't like all the stuff where people go on about how the Aboriginals "lived in perfect harmony with nature" etc. It's close to noble savage stuff. Didn't they wipe out all the megafauna? Humans are humans, we shouldn't be idealising any sort of society. I think there is a difference between acknowledging that their civilization lived for 40,000 or 50,000 odd years without completely loving up their environment, and idolizing the noble savage.
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# ? Apr 1, 2016 07:56 |
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I didn't think biting into the onion was weird.
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# ? Apr 1, 2016 08:01 |
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Yes. The problem I think comes when Australians freak out at holding two different notions in their heads. They can't accept that the country they love might have done awful things in the past (or the present) and they can't accept that dispossession and colonisation is bad (and should be acknowledged and recompensed) even if the descendants of those who were dispossessed are better off than they would have been otherwise. Which is the same as that old "British brought the railway to India" malarkey. Like, yes, they did, indisputably, craft India into a better nation than it would be otherwise, but that doesn't excuse the exploitation and horror.
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# ? Apr 1, 2016 08:02 |
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Frogmanv2 posted:I think there is a difference between acknowledging that their civilization lived for 40,000 or 50,000 odd years without completely loving up their environment, and idolizing the noble savage. Protecting the environment is very important but it's not the sole factor by which a civilisation should be judged.
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# ? Apr 1, 2016 08:03 |
freebooter posted:Protecting the environment is very important but it's not the sole factor by which a civilisation should be judged. Ok, what other factors should a civilisation be judged by?
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# ? Apr 1, 2016 08:06 |
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Endman posted:The Aztecs also ripped people's hearts out en masse in order to appease their gods, but the Spanish invasion of Central America was still super bad.
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# ? Apr 1, 2016 08:09 |
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Frogmanv2 posted:Ok, what other factors should a civilisation be judged by? Happiness of its citizens? Treatment of the downtrodden? Ability to stave off existential threats?
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# ? Apr 1, 2016 08:14 |