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Since you bring up the Void Lords, what is the current status of Sargeras? Is he trapped in the Twisting Nether or anything? What's to stop him just flying over to Azeroth and cleaving it in two with his big sword? For anyone not up to date on Warcraft lore, Azeroth the planet was a super powerful unformed Titan. The Void Lords are some interdimensional horror who sent the old gods there to corrupt it so they could use the power to break through into reality. The Titans thought that Azeroth was the great hope for the universe, but Sargeras disagreed and thought it was too dangerous, so he killed all the Titans and then went round destroying all the planets so the Void Lords have no chance of corrupting them. By now Azeroth the Titan is stillborn, but a piece of his spirit lives on in the living creatures that inhabit it, so that's why your 90 gnome warrior is so special. BTW Sargeras looks like a giant Dark Templar with a Runeblade. He is distilled Metzen. 
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I think the thing stopping Sargeras from cutting Azeroth in half is that he is a really, really long way away. He wants to be summoned because it's faster than just moving on his own power. Basically he's just lazy, maybe lost because lots of space looks like other parts of space.
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Mar 31, 2016 12:38
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I thought his avatar was laying in the Tomb of Sargaras, and that he can potentially return from it under the right conditions?
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Mar 31, 2016 12:43
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If Titans take a long time to move through space, why was everyone so worried about that Algalon thing? I thought they had like a mass relay to travel around the galaxy or something.
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Mar 31, 2016 13:52
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CJ posted:If Titans take a long time to move through space, why was everyone so worried about that Algalon thing? I thought they had like a mass relay to travel around the galaxy or something. E: Loken died, so the Algalon was sent to Azeroth to assess the situation. If he decided the planet needed to be wiped out, Uldum would have been activated to complete the process. Doctor Spaceman fucked around with this message at 14:00 on Mar 31, 2016 |
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Mar 31, 2016 13:57
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This all sounds terribly convoluted.
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Mar 31, 2016 14:02
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Applewhite posted:This all sounds terrible
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Mar 31, 2016 14:07
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CJ posted:BTW Sargeras looks like a giant Dark Templar with a Runeblade. He is distilled Metzen. Question about the runeblade: conventional logic would suggest that the purpose of runes is to invoke the intercession of a higher power to bless the blade. What's the point of having runes when you're a literal god?
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Mar 31, 2016 14:13
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Applewhite posted:Question about the runeblade: conventional logic would suggest that the purpose of runes is to invoke the intercession of a higher power to bless the blade. What's the point of having runes when you're a literal god? They're like flame decals, or truck nuts.
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Mar 31, 2016 14:36
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Craft love not war Yeah, I personally hope the movie stays away from the puppet-master villain angle. It's fine for vidyah games, where each new release reveals the TRUE bad guy who corrupted the previous one, like an endless matryoska doll, but that would be pretty lame for movies. Well, it's kinda funny, maybe it would work
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Mar 31, 2016 20:22
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Even though they've run it into the ground I think Arthas' story would make a decent movie. It might be kinda fun to see his descent into madness in movie form.
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Hodgepodge posted:I'm not sure if this is And the Old Gods themselves have recently been revealed to just be disposable minions of the Void Lords.
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, but everything in Warcraft is the Old Gods' fault these days anyhow.
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Cythereal posted:And the Old Gods themselves have recently been revealed to just be disposable minions of the Void Lords. I'm going to spend the rest of today thinking about the lovely names of the gods who will inevitably be revealed as controlling the Void Lords.
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Apr 1, 2016 08:12
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When was this Void Gods thing come out? Aren't we between expansions at the moment? I don't mind the change, though, because I've kinda like the idea of undercutting the Lovecraftian entities in WoW.
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MisterBibs posted:When was this Void Gods thing come out? Aren't we between expansions at the moment? They released a book of
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Grendels Dad posted:I'm going to spend the rest of today thinking about the lovely names of the gods who will inevitably be revealed as controlling the Void Lords. The Vacuum Princes The Omega Masters The Quantum Jerkfield The Douchebags from Beyond The Uberdarkness I also like how Sargeras is basically the avatar of Metzen's desire to wipe the slate clean and write his own story from scratch.
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Doctor Spaceman posted:They released a book of Yep, complete with a grand updated cosmology that wouldn't be out of place in Dungeons and Dragons. You've got the normal world at the center of the cosmos, surrounded by the five elemental planes (the usual four plus spirit), then the Emerald Dream and Shadowlands as more or less heaven and hell, then the six cosmic forces and their exemplars, each opposed by another: Life and the Wild Gods, opposed by Death and the Undead. Light and the Naaru, opposed by The Void and the Void Lords. Order and the Titans, opposed by Chaos and the Legion. Incidentally arcane magic is also retconned as not being addictive or corruptive anymore, it's the fundamental magic of Order and the Titans. Speaking of which, Elune is strongly implied to be a Titan.
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Apr 1, 2016 11:55
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Hodgepodge posted:Metzen Hodgepodge posted:write his own story from scratch.  I'm not sure that's how Christopher Vincent Metzen works anymore.
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Cythereal posted:Yep, complete with a grand updated cosmology that wouldn't be out of place in Dungeons and Dragons. You've got the normal world at the center of the cosmos, surrounded by the five elemental planes (the usual four plus spirit), then the Emerald Dream and Shadowlands as more or less heaven and hell, then the six cosmic forces and their exemplars, each opposed by another: Life and the Wild Gods, opposed by Death and the Undead. Light and the Naaru, opposed by The Void and the Void Lords. Order and the Titans, opposed by Chaos and the Legion. Just post the pic. 
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Well they needed more material for expansions.
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Apr 1, 2016 16:47
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CJ posted:Just post the pic. Seems like the positions of order and disorder should be swapped.
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Apr 1, 2016 18:56
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Hodgepodge posted:The Vacuum Princes
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CJ posted:Just post the pic. Imagine making a real-life bronze version of this and taking it back in time to medieval times or whatever. Do you think anybody would use it as a basis for their worldview or would even the people back then recognize it as bullshit?
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Applewhite posted:Imagine making a real-life bronze version of this and taking it back in time to medieval times or whatever. Do you think anybody would use it as a basis for their worldview or would even the people back then recognize it as bullshit? From what I gather that sort of cosmo/theological chart seems to be more of an early modern thing but I think people would probably understand the general gist of it but I doubt anyone would be very convinced. Some examples from history:       
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man they really ruined all their franchises didn't they.
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Oh boy, the great wheel from the worst versions of DnD finally made it into WoW.   
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CJ posted:Since you bring up the Void Lords, what is the current status of Sargeras? Is he trapped in the Twisting Nether or anything? What's to stop him just flying over to Azeroth and cleaving it in two with his big sword? Last time I checked Sargeras was still Physically stuck in the Twisting Nether/Pocket dimension from when he tried to get to Azeroth through a Huge portal that slammed shut on him. Though apparently he can still travel around and mess with people with his mind/spirit/whatever.
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Lurdiak posted:Oh boy, the great wheel from the worst versions of DnD finally made it into WoW. Funny, those don't look they were from a 3.5 book.
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Bob Quixote posted:Funny, those don't look they were from a 3.5 book. Ha, fair enough.
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All these universes starting to look alike.
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Oh man, that just reminded me of the 3D Superman comics Grant Morrison wrote. "To be continued"
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wyoming posted:Oh man, that just reminded me of the 3D Superman comics Grant Morrison wrote. One of my favourite Superman bits ever, it's great.
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I bought that book because of this thread, drat you people. I've always been a sucker for Warcraft's lore, so I'm biased as hell, but honestly the (re)codifying of the various pantheons isn't as drastic/shocking as you'd think. Sure, it's obviously a case of "poo poo, we've got all these various things going on", but it works well enough. Now the Well of Eternity is the result of a Titan going "gently caress this battling through proxies poo poo" and just trying to get rid of an Old God by the root.
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nah dude anything post 2 is dumb as poo poo and it's hilarious how it gets dumber with each iteration. wc3 was still a good game tho.
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Warcraft lore sounds like the comic Spawn when I stopped reading. In this issue.. GOD!! In this issue... GODS BOSS!!!!! In this issue GODS BOSSES BOSS!!!! Next week in Spawn.. Who is the mysterious person Gods bosses boss is taking orders from?
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504 posted:Warcraft lore sounds like the comic Spawn when I stopped reading. It's all so very Gurren Lagan.
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Groovelord Neato posted:nah dude anything post 2 is dumb as poo poo and it's hilarious how it gets dumber with each iteration. wc3 was still a good game tho. Dude, it's always been really dumb.
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yeah but back then it was just goofy orcs come through portal from craggy mushroomland and humans fight em. there wasn't some ridiculous cosmology with space gods being controlled by other space gods.
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Groovelord Neato posted:yeah but back then it was just goofy orcs come through portal from craggy mushroomland and humans fight em. there wasn't some ridiculous cosmology with space gods being controlled by other space gods. So your metric for dumbness is complexity?
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uh yes? it's a lot worse when something is both dumb and convoluted.
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