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Terrible Opinions posted:I think it's fairly indicative of the sort of people you'd get by meeting random people on the internet looking for a game, if the only qualifier is "wants to play monsterhearts". I don't really believe that. While it's true randomly bobbing for players on the Internet will likely get you a bad apple, a lot of it has to do with 4chan's anon culture, too. While there's been creepy stuff on SA, for example, it's been less tolerated in the long run. A lot of it has to do with the culture of the board / channel / telnet derivation you're on.
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I think SA is one of the best trad games boards around in terms of moderation and banning creepy stuff. Even here though I'm fairly certain GBS would turn Monsterhearts into horrifying sex the rpg.
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The difference is that GBS and 4chan are more likely to be as gross as possible because they think it's funny and not because they're turned on by it. Granted, that leads down the convoluted path of what the line is between making ironic shock porn and genuine shock porn when in the end someone on the internet is getting off to both.
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Alien Rope Burn posted:Well, that strikes me as more /tg/ than Monster Hearts itself. Yeah, I don't disagree. I'm just saying that bad groups can make it bad.
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Apr 2, 2016 20:48
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Well bad groups make every game bad, and every sort of bad. I've ran into power gaming in Maid, which basically has mechanics as a formality.
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Leperflesh posted:any more than we need an RPG that spends a chapter on dancing mechanics you could not possibly be more wrong.
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TheTatteredKing posted:Well bad groups make every game bad, and every sort of bad. I've ran into power gaming in Maid, which basically has mechanics as a formality. "power gaming"
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remusclaw posted:I agree with you to a great degree, but I disagree about actors and their ability to let fake romance slide on the whole. There are industries built off the backs of actors not being able to avoid turning fiction into reality. I don't know about the last part, but I assure you that spending ten weeks doing some intense emotional/sexual stuff as part of a play has ruined/started a ton of relationships among my friends when I was into the theatre. I assume a lot of it was "people in their 20's being people in their 20's" but I know a few actual adults who got caught up in poo poo. You would need to be both a supremely skilled actor and very aware of your emotions to be able to absolutely switch that poo poo off as soon as the lights come up.
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I was referring mostly to tabloids and the lucrative divorce attorney trade.
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bongwizzard posted:Honesty the second sounds more interesting, in a "oh Takashi Miike, why do I keep watching your movies?" kinda way.
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UnCO3 posted:There's Abnormal by Avery McDaldno. Haven't played it, though. Thanks! , that looks weird, but in a good way. The idea of a solo play RPG is kinda weird in the neutral way though.
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Yeah, I'm not sure how the solo version would work in practice, but the 2/3-player versions look more sound.
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senrath posted:You should only go with the DMG if you were, for some reason, already going to be writing using the Forgotten Realms stuff and absolutely cannot make do without it. Pretty much, which is why this is the only DM's Guild release section worth paying attention to: http://forum.candlekeep.com/forum.asp?FORUM_ID=36
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Relevant to the current discussion our very own Libertad! recently did an interview with Erik Tenkar of Tenkar's Tavern, a prominent OSR blogger, and the topic of discussion was how "erotic fantasy" seems to consistently miss the tasteful mark, and how Tenkar is going to try own hand at doing it.
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I don't know which I want to be true more: that it's an April Fool's thing, or that Tenkar really is that clueless.
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I mean, if there's a game where I could kill a sexy bugbear and sell his beak to a sexy wizard exchange for some kind of magic dildo, that I could get into. Is there an Oglaf RPG?
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Evil Mastermind posted:I don't know which I want to be true more: that it's an April Fool's thing, or that Tenkar really is that clueless. Look at this guy who thinks there's nothing sexy about svelte submissive bondage elf vampire men. Wow.
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gradenko_2000 posted:Relevant to the current discussion our very own Libertad! recently did an interview with Erik Tenkar of Tenkar's Tavern, a prominent OSR blogger, and the topic of discussion was how "erotic fantasy" seems to consistently miss the tasteful mark, and how Tenkar is going to try own hand at doing it. Was Libertad's tone supposed to be "Erotic?"
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No, it was an April Fool's joke. As for the labeling of March 31st, it was probably a time zone thing when I accidentally posted it too early, but then reverted it to a draft later. Then again, I can see how a one-day difference probably made a difference in perception of it being a joke. Libertad! fucked around with this message at 20:56 on Apr 3, 2016 |
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This is depressing and bound to set off some people: http://latining.tumblr.com/post/141567276944/tabletop-gaming-has-a-white-male-terrorism-problem
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I've read the whole thing, and I still have no idea what it has to do with Wyrd
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Is that an anthology of anecdotes or was this all supposed to be happening to the same person?
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It's pretty clear that it's all happened to one person over several years, if you read the post.NTRabbit posted:I've read the whole thing, and I still have no idea what it has to do with Wyrd  quote:Since July of 2015 fans of the game Malifaux have been attempting to overwhelm me with death and rape threats for no other reason than I am a woman who has opinions on the game. Wyrd Miniatures is silent on this matter and hangs up whenever anyone attempts to discuss the harassment. Given that a large number of threats identify the senders by name as Wyrd staff members, I do not find this surprising.
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I'm the threat with the full name and place of work of the sender signed at the bottom
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Like, harassment is clearly bad, but it also clearly isn't what people mean when they say "terrorism". It's not helpful to one's cause to equate people getting their limbs blown off to having mean things said/emailed to you.
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I believe, given the date and description of events, that this is the relevant thread from the Wyrd forum. This is what Wyrd's final reaction was, so I'm not sure how to take this.
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Terrorism is an action or pattern of actions designed to cause people to feel terror, and change their behavior because of this terror. This has been a public service of Pedant's Internet Dictionary LLC.
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bongwizzard posted:Like, harassment is clearly bad, but it also clearly isn't what people mean when they say "terrorism". It's not helpful to one's cause to equate people getting their limbs blown off to having mean things said/emailed to you. Terrorism just means using fear and intimidation to get your way. It has a vague definition and only recently became associated with the kind of imagery you're evoking and it also not limited to the kind of imagery you're evoking. In short, this is a valid use of the term.
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bongwizzard posted:Like, harassment is clearly bad, but it also clearly isn't what people mean when they say "terrorism". It's not helpful to one's cause to equate people getting their limbs blown off to having mean things said/emailed to you. Terrorism is not exclusively limited to suicide bombers. e;fb
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Covok posted:In short, this is a valid use of the term. But in no way validates any of her claims by itself. What she and others have posted in that Wyrd thread do not really jibe at all with the Tumblr post.
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Covok posted:Terrorism just means using fear and intimidation to get your way. It has a vague definition and only recently became associated with the kind of imagery you're evoking and it also not limited to the kind of imagery you're evoking. It's not valid if you care about getting anyone who doesn't already agree with you to give a gently caress. It is hyperbolic in the extreme and isn't going to help get any point you are making to be taken seriously.
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bongwizzard posted:It's not valid if you care about getting anyone who doesn't already agree with you to give a gently caress. It is hyperbolic in the extreme and isn't going to help get any point you are making to be taken seriously. 
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bongwizzard posted:Like, harassment is clearly bad, but it also clearly isn't what people mean when they say "terrorism". It's not helpful to one's cause to equate people getting their limbs blown off to having mean things said/emailed to you. maybe if what she was writing was just "people said mean [read: threatened assault/rape] things to me" youd kind of have a pedantic point since it seems like a stretch to say acts against an individual which aren't publicized at all are terrorism since ostensibly the point of terrorism is to shape a narrative and to exclude/frighten a group, but (1) the acts clearly aren't just happening to the author and are in public spaces where other people can see them not just private emails, and (2) several of the instances described aren't just gross things being said but are literal instances of physical sexual assault
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Yeah, not sure why you'd want to argue about her use of the word terrorism. Sexual violence is still as much violence as guns and bombs (except far more widespread and common), yo, and it's being used to frighten and intimidate certain portions of a community. And it's frankly quite disgusting.
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Countblanc posted:maybe if what she was writing was just "people said mean [read: threatened assault/rape] things to me" youd kind of have a pedantic point since it seems like a stretch to say acts against an individual which aren't publicized at all are terrorism since ostensibly the point of terrorism is to shape a narrative and to exclude/frighten a group, but (1) the acts clearly aren't just happening to the author and are in public spaces where other people can see them not just private emails, and (2) several of the instances described aren't just gross things being said but are literal instances of physical sexual assault See, I quit reading after the author said that emails were terrorism.
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It's a grey use of the word terrorism, since terrorism conventionally means trying to push a political or ideological end. Whether or not this qualifies is an exercise for the reader. It's clearly meant to provoke, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. YMMV. But that's not really important. The events and actions being discussed in the article are.
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bongwizzard posted:It's not valid if you care about getting anyone who doesn't already agree with you to give a gently caress. It is hyperbolic in the extreme and isn't going to help get any point you are making to be taken seriously. It's not hyperbolic at all. It's actually a completely valid term from both a diction and connotation standpoint especially when one considers the levels of harassment that have occurred in the industry and by gamers. Sexual harassment, sexual assault, swatting (calling swat teams to people's homes with the aim of hurting them and killing their pets), and many other acts that got one of the groups she called out branded terrorists by many media outlets and university professors.
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bongwizzard posted:It's not valid if you care about getting anyone who doesn't already agree with you to give a gently caress. It is hyperbolic in the extreme and isn't going to help get any point you are making to be taken seriously. so what you're saying is that you're dismissing the accusations she levels re:misogyny in tg circles because you think she's being too hysterical about it all?
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bongwizzard posted:See, I quit reading after the author said that emails were terrorism. 
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Alien Rope Burn posted:The events and actions being discussed in the article are. Seems like a considerable number of events and actions for just one person
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