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When you're privileged, equality feels like oppression

LibertyCat posted:

Since I could say the sky is blue and get dogpiled over it

tithin posted:

Guys, if you want to discuss something with someone, and potentially have them reconsider their viewpoints, calling them shitfuckers isn't going to do it.

tithin posted:

Guys, if you want to discuss something with someone, and potentially have them reconsider their viewpoints, calling them shitfuckers isn't going to do it.

Anidav posted:

Starshark posted:

I'm sure he's a perfectly reasonable person ready to change his opinions if only he hears an argument with the right tone.

Milky Moor posted:

yeah?

what're you going to do about it, shitfucker

tithin posted:

Either he's here to discuss in good faith, in which case calling him a shitfucker is only going to harden his opinion to you, or he's here to argue in bad faith, in which case you're playing into his "auspol is easy to troll" narrative.

In either situation, you're loving up by calling him a shitfucker

Recoome posted:

Lol if you think forums poster Liberty "Black people and women are both inferior AND oppressors" Cat is actually flustering anyone with his/her/their terrible opinions.

The Peccadillo posted:

gently caress 'im, no one's tryna fix his ideas, he came here and sucked and we told him he sucked

asio posted:

I'm so happy for you that you've found somewhere you feel validated, but keep the circlejerk to your side of the computer screen.

LibertyCat posted:

Putting people places where they otherwise wouldn't qualify (due to their lack of merit) only reinforces negative stereotypes.

LibertyCat posted:

Nice strawman you've built there.

I'm no hardcore MRA type. Classical feminism was badly needed, it's ridiculous to oppress half the human population. If both sides have equal opportunity than I call it a win.

I am against enforcing equal outcomes. It demeans women who got there on their own merits, because some people think "oh we only gave that position to Shelly because she's a woman, she can't be that good". Putting people places where they otherwise wouldn't qualify (due to their lack of merit) only reinforces negative stereotypes.

When you are getting risky life-saving surgery, you want the best person for the job holding the scalpel, not someone who got there for PC reasons. If a woman surgeon would be the best person for the job we should stop any bona-fide discrimination that would keep her away. Ditto being carried out of a burning house, on aircraft with some kind of catastrophic failure, behind a desk keeping your employer from going bankrupt.

How supporting a meritocracy qualifies as me saying Women are inferior and oppressors is beyond me.

I'm guessing The Black thing is due to my comment about ~5% of the US population being responsible for around half of all US murders. It shows there is something very sick in the American system as these numbers are incredible. If 5% of all cars resulted in half of all deaths we'd have massive inquiries into seeing what the hell is wrong and how do we fix it. We wouldn't, say, introduce safety regulations that don't help much but penalize ALL cars because it's politically easy.

Doctor Spaceman posted:

The point of quotas isn't to put in unqualified women over qualified men, it's to make sure that qualified women don't get excluded just because they're women.

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In a randomized double-blind study (n = 127), science faculty from research-intensive universities rated the application materials of a student—who was randomly assigned either a male or female name—for a laboratory manager position. Faculty participants rated the male applicant as significantly more competent and hireable than the (identical) female applicant. These participants also selected a higher starting salary and offered more career mentoring to the male applicant. The gender of the faculty participants did not affect responses, such that female and male faculty were equally likely to exhibit bias against the female student.

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Australian National University researchers Alison Booth, Andrew Leigh and Elena Vargonova sent out 4000 fake job applications to employers advertising on the internet for entry-level hospitality, data entry, customer service and sales jobs, changing only the racial origin of the supposed applicants' names.

Applicants with Chinese names fared the worst, having only a one-in-five chance of getting asked in for interviews, compared to applicants with Anglo-Saxon names whose chances exceeded one-in-three.

Typically a Chinese-named applicant would need to put in 68 per cent more applications than an Anglo-named applicant to get the same number of calls back. A Middle Eastern-named applicant needed 64 per cent more, an indigenous-named applicant 35 per cent more and an Italian-named applicant 12 per cent more.

LibertyCat posted:

I'm guessing The Black thing is due to my comment about ~5% of the US population being responsible for around half of all US murders. It shows there is something very sick in the American system as these numbers are incredible. If 5% of all cars resulted in half of all deaths we'd have massive inquiries into seeing what the hell is wrong and how do we fix it. We wouldn't, say, introduce safety regulations that don't help much but penalize ALL cars because it's politically easy.

tithin posted:

Either he's here to discuss in good faith, in which case calling him a shitfucker is only going to harden his opinion to you, or he's here to argue in bad faith, in which case you're playing into his "auspol is easy to troll" narrative.

In either situation, you're loving up by calling him a shitfucker.

hooman posted:

If outcomes aren't equal how can you possibly believe that opportunity is?

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People only dogpile you because you make really misinformed and kind of offensive posts. You did better regarding Aboriginal civilization prior to being massacred by whites because at least you accepted that you didn't know enough about it and asked for reference material in order to inform yourself, but seriously libertycat, your levels of ignorance and the opinions you've drawn from that ignorant standpoint are the same for equality, taxation, welfare, justice and economies as they are for aboriginal history. That's why people dogpile you, it's nothing personal, if I came in here and said equally misinformed poo poo I guarantee I'd get the poo poo dogpiled out of me as well, and in the past, I have.

LibertyCat posted:

Starshark posted:

Option three is he's someone who thinks the Aborigines were an inferior civilization - check that, he doesn't think they were a civilization at all - and his opinion doesn't belong here any more than someone from Stormfront. You might give the time of day to unabashed racists but don't expect me to.

Wikipedia posted:

A civilization (US) or civilisation (UK) is any complex society characterized by urban development, social stratification, symbolic communication forms (typically, writing systems), and a perceived separation from and domination over the natural environment by a cultural elite.
Civilizations are intimately associated with and often further defined by other socio-politico-economic characteristics, including centralization, the domestication of both humans and other organisms, specialization of labor, culturally ingrained ideologies of progress and supremacism, monumental architecture, taxation, societal dependence upon farming as an agricultural practice, and expansionism.

LibertyCat posted:

The word "Civilization" does not mean "culture" or "people located in a particular group".

Merriam-Webster posted:

a : a relatively high level of cultural and technological development; specifically : the stage of cultural development at which writing and the keeping of written records is attained
b : the culture characteristic of a particular time or place

LibertyCat posted:

Bowmore: If the animals were applying for a job as a tree surgeon that would be a fair test.

LibertyCat posted:

Perhaps you should update wikipedia, although it has a vast number of citations that disagree.

Oxford Dictionary posted:

1.2 The society, culture, and way of life of a particular area:

Cambridge Dictionary posted:

​human ​society with ​its well ​developed ​social ​organizations, or the ​culture and way of ​life of a ​society or ​country at a ​particular ​period in ​time

Collins Dictionary posted:

the total culture and way of life of a particular people, nation, region, or period

LibertyCat posted:

Wiki has a ton of citations from Anthropology textbooks, but please feel free to update the page with your references.

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Female surgeons feel obliged to give sexual favours, report finds Date September 10, 2015 Craig Butt Reporter for The Age

Apology over 'toxic culture' among surgeons
After a survey finds nearly half of all surgeons have experienced discrimination, bullying or sexual harassment, RACS President apologises for the 'devastating impact' on surgeons and trainees.
Analysis: Have we deified our surgeons?
Bullying, discrimination and sexual harassment are rife in the surgical profession, a damning report has found.

Half the surgeons and trainees who responded said they had been victimised.

Six months after senior surgeon Gabrielle McMullin said junior women doctors should "comply with requests" for sex to protect their medical careers, an independent survey of more than 3500 surgeons commissioned by the Royal Australasian College of Surgeons has revealed a "toxic culture" in surgery departments across Australia. Although about three out of five registered trainees surveyed said they'd been bullied, making complaints was widely believed to be "career suicide".
Sexism was entrenched and endemic and sexual harassment pervasive, with women reporting they felt powerless to protest. Vascular surgeon Gabrielle McMullin, who said in March that sexism was so rife among surgeons that young women should accept unwanted sexual advances or risk ruining their careers. Women reported much higher rates of victimisation than men. One in three of the 560 women surveyed reported they'd been sexually harassed. Sexual propositions and innuendo were the most common forms of sexual harassment.

LibertyCat posted:

Wiki has a ton of citations from Anthropology textbooks, but please feel free to update the page with your references.

Wikitionary posted:

An organized culture encompassing many communities, often on the scale of a nation or a people; a stage or system of social, political or technical development.

BBJoey posted:

An organized culture encompassing many communities, often on the scale of a nation or a people; a stage or system of social, political or technical development.

LibertyCat posted:

Pretty sure Aboriginal tribes don't qualify. Social/political/technical development seems to have stagnated for a few thousand years.

and Cartoon, the answer is to fix that poo poo by disciplining the offenders.

Simple English Wikipedia posted:

The type of culture and society developed by a particular nation or region or in a particular epoch: Maya civilization; the civilization of ancient Rome.

Cartoon posted:

LC

LibertyCat posted:

OK quoting from Simple aka "Wikipeda for Retards" is getting desperate.

The Maya


The Romans


Totally comparable to tribes that hadn't discovered the Wheel.

LibertyCat posted:

OK quoting from Simple aka "Wikipeda for Retards" is getting desperate.

The Maya


The Romans


Totally comparable to tribes that hadn't discovered the Wheel.