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Or as someone in the Marriage Equality thread put it:quote:When you're privileged, equality feels like oppression
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LibertyCat posted:Since I could say the sky is blue and get dogpiled over it Y'get dogpiled because you say terrible things that an idiot thinks
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# ? Apr 3, 2016 07:03 |
Guys, if you want to discuss something with someone, and potentially have them reconsider their viewpoints, calling them shitfuckers isn't going to do it.
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# ? Apr 3, 2016 07:07 |
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tithin posted:Guys, if you want to discuss something with someone, and potentially have them reconsider their viewpoints, calling them shitfuckers isn't going to do it. I'm sure he's a perfectly reasonable person ready to change his opinions if only he hears an argument with the right tone.
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# ? Apr 3, 2016 07:18 |
tithin posted:Guys, if you want to discuss something with someone, and potentially have them reconsider their viewpoints, calling them shitfuckers isn't going to do it. yeah? what're you going to do about it, shitfucker
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# ? Apr 3, 2016 07:22 |
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They're missing the 'h' is save there
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# ? Apr 3, 2016 07:23 |
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Die reef, die
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# ? Apr 3, 2016 07:26 |
Starshark posted:I'm sure he's a perfectly reasonable person ready to change his opinions if only he hears an argument with the right tone. Either he's here to discuss in good faith, in which case calling him a shitfucker is only going to harden his opinion to you, or he's here to argue in bad faith, in which case you're playing into his "auspol is easy to troll" narrative. In either situation, you're loving up by calling him a shitfucker. Milky Moor posted:yeah? I'm going to say bad things about Worm
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# ? Apr 3, 2016 07:31 |
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Lol if you think forums poster Liberty "Black people and women are both inferior AND oppressors" Cat is actually flustering anyone with his/her/their terrible opinions.
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# ? Apr 3, 2016 07:47 |
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tithin posted:Either he's here to discuss in good faith, in which case calling him a shitfucker is only going to harden his opinion to you, or he's here to argue in bad faith, in which case you're playing into his "auspol is easy to troll" narrative. gently caress 'im, no one's tryna fix his ideas, he came here and sucked and we told him he sucked
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# ? Apr 3, 2016 08:06 |
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But what if.... he literally fucks poo poo???? Checkmate tit hen
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# ? Apr 3, 2016 08:25 |
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Recoome posted:Lol if you think forums poster Liberty "Black people and women are both inferior AND oppressors" Cat is actually flustering anyone with his/her/their terrible opinions. Nice strawman you've built there. I'm no hardcore MRA type. Classical feminism was badly needed, it's ridiculous to oppress half the human population. If both sides have equal opportunity than I call it a win. I am against enforcing equal outcomes. It demeans women who got there on their own merits, because some people think "oh we only gave that position to Shelly because she's a woman, she can't be that good". Putting people places where they otherwise wouldn't qualify (due to their lack of merit) only reinforces negative stereotypes. When you are getting risky life-saving surgery, you want the best person for the job holding the scalpel, not someone who got there for PC reasons. If a woman surgeon would be the best person for the job we should stop any bona-fide discrimination that would keep her away. Ditto being carried out of a burning house, on aircraft with some kind of catastrophic failure, behind a desk keeping your employer from going bankrupt. How supporting a meritocracy qualifies as me saying Women are inferior and oppressors is beyond me. I'm guessing The Black thing is due to my comment about ~5% of the US population being responsible for around half of all US murders. It shows there is something very sick in the American system as these numbers are incredible. If 5% of all cars resulted in half of all deaths we'd have massive inquiries into seeing what the hell is wrong and how do we fix it. We wouldn't, say, introduce safety regulations that don't help much but penalize ALL cars because it's politically easy. LibertyCat fucked around with this message at 08:30 on Apr 3, 2016 |
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The Peccadillo posted:gently caress 'im, no one's tryna fix his ideas, he came here and sucked and we told him he sucked I'm so happy for you that you've found somewhere you feel validated, but keep the circlejerk to your side of the computer screen. http://act.350.org/signup/snap-action-qld-its-time-put-coral-ahead-coal/ This is the info for the snap action tomorrow morning to protest the decision to burn off the reef. 9:15-10am outside parliament in Brisbane. Molotovs to be in the coral reef/finding nemo design style
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# ? Apr 3, 2016 08:28 |
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asio posted:I'm so happy for you that you've found somewhere you feel validated, but keep the circlejerk to your side of the computer screen. Are you happy?! That sounds SARCASTIC
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# ? Apr 3, 2016 08:36 |
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LibertyCat posted:Putting people places where they otherwise wouldn't qualify (due to their lack of merit) only reinforces negative stereotypes. Old boys networks seek to perpetuate themselves. You can't just sit back and hope they'll do the right thing, they need to be actively broken up. The point of quotas isn't to put in unqualified women over qualified men, it's to make sure that qualified women don't get excluded just because they're women.
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LibertyCat posted:Nice strawman you've built there. If outcomes aren't equal how can you possibly believe that opportunity is? Do you even know what nepotism is? People only dogpile you because you make really misinformed and kind of offensive posts. You did better regarding Aboriginal civilization prior to being massacred by whites because at least you accepted that you didn't know enough about it and asked for reference material in order to inform yourself, but seriously libertycat, your levels of ignorance and the opinions you've drawn from that ignorant standpoint are the same for equality, taxation, welfare, justice and economies as they are for aboriginal history. That's why people dogpile you, it's nothing personal, if I came in here and said equally misinformed poo poo I guarantee I'd get the poo poo dogpiled out of me as well, and in the past, I have. EDIT: Curse you doctor spaceman, you made my first point far better than I did and before I did.
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Doctor Spaceman posted:The point of quotas isn't to put in unqualified women over qualified men, it's to make sure that qualified women don't get excluded just because they're women. This exactly. Women and people of colour are passed over for positions for which they're qualified all the time. And this isn't just anecdotal; it's backed up by peer reviewed research. quote:In a randomized double-blind study (n = 127), science faculty from research-intensive universities rated the application materials of a student—who was randomly assigned either a male or female name—for a laboratory manager position. Faculty participants rated the male applicant as significantly more competent and hireable than the (identical) female applicant. These participants also selected a higher starting salary and offered more career mentoring to the male applicant. The gender of the faculty participants did not affect responses, such that female and male faculty were equally likely to exhibit bias against the female student. This study was specifically for a STEM field, but I imagine that it occurs across most fields, excepting the typically female-dominated ones, e.g. nursing (where I imagine that men are automatically seen as less competent, and where quotas would benefit men as well). There's similar issues wrt race as well quote:Australian National University researchers Alison Booth, Andrew Leigh and Elena Vargonova sent out 4000 fake job applications to employers advertising on the internet for entry-level hospitality, data entry, customer service and sales jobs, changing only the racial origin of the supposed applicants' names. And it's not really even something most employers do on purpose; it could possibly be solved with a "blind" application process, but that's something that a lot of small-medium businesses don't even know about. And even then you're always going to have an interview so it's impossible to eliminate bias even with an application process that is as fair as possible. and THIS is where quotas come in.
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LibertyCat posted:I'm guessing The Black thing is due to my comment about ~5% of the US population being responsible for around half of all US murders. It shows there is something very sick in the American system as these numbers are incredible. If 5% of all cars resulted in half of all deaths we'd have massive inquiries into seeing what the hell is wrong and how do we fix it. We wouldn't, say, introduce safety regulations that don't help much but penalize ALL cars because it's politically easy. I agree, brother, we must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children.
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tithin posted:Either he's here to discuss in good faith, in which case calling him a shitfucker is only going to harden his opinion to you, or he's here to argue in bad faith, in which case you're playing into his "auspol is easy to troll" narrative. Option three is he's someone who thinks the Aborigines were an inferior civilization - check that, he doesn't think they were a civilization at all - and his opinion doesn't belong here any more than someone from Stormfront. You might give the time of day to unabashed racists but don't expect me to.
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hooman posted:If outcomes aren't equal how can you possibly believe that opportunity is? Interesting point of discussion. As humans are a sexually dimorphic species there is no reason to believe that perfect equality of opportunity would result in a near perfect 50/50 split. As an uncontroversial example the average man would find a labor intensive job easier than the average woman simply due to the difference in muscle mass. quote:People only dogpile you because you make really misinformed and kind of offensive posts. You did better regarding Aboriginal civilization prior to being massacred by whites because at least you accepted that you didn't know enough about it and asked for reference material in order to inform yourself, but seriously libertycat, your levels of ignorance and the opinions you've drawn from that ignorant standpoint are the same for equality, taxation, welfare, justice and economies as they are for aboriginal history. That's why people dogpile you, it's nothing personal, if I came in here and said equally misinformed poo poo I guarantee I'd get the poo poo dogpiled out of me as well, and in the past, I have. Frankly, a large percentage of the population would call Greens voters hopefully naive idealists. It's OK. We don't need to agree on everything.
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Starshark posted:Option three is he's someone who thinks the Aborigines were an inferior civilization - check that, he doesn't think they were a civilization at all - and his opinion doesn't belong here any more than someone from Stormfront. You might give the time of day to unabashed racists but don't expect me to. Wikipedia posted:A civilization (US) or civilisation (UK) is any complex society characterized by urban development, social stratification, symbolic communication forms (typically, writing systems), and a perceived separation from and domination over the natural environment by a cultural elite. The word "Civilization" does not mean "culture" or "people located in a particular group". Bowmore: If the animals were applying for a job as a tree surgeon that would be a fair test.
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LibertyCat posted:The word "Civilization" does not mean "culture" or "people located in a particular group". Merriam-Webster posted:a : a relatively high level of cultural and technological development; specifically : the stage of cultural development at which writing and the keeping of written records is attained
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# ? Apr 3, 2016 09:15 |
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https://twitter.com/SenatorZWang/status/716515977538588672
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# ? Apr 3, 2016 09:16 |
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LibertyCat posted:Bowmore: If the animals were applying for a job as a tree surgeon that would be a fair test.
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# ? Apr 3, 2016 09:17 |
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Perhaps you should update wikipedia, although it has a vast number of citations that disagree.
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# ? Apr 3, 2016 09:17 |
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LibertyCat posted:Perhaps you should update wikipedia, although it has a vast number of citations that disagree. Oxford Dictionary posted:1.2 The society, culture, and way of life of a particular area: Cambridge Dictionary posted:human society with its well developed social organizations, or the culture and way of life of a society or country at a particular period in time Collins Dictionary posted:the total culture and way of life of a particular people, nation, region, or period
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# ? Apr 3, 2016 09:18 |
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Wiki has a ton of citations from Anthropology textbooks, but please feel free to update the page with your references.
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# ? Apr 3, 2016 09:22 |
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LibertyCat posted:Wiki has a ton of citations from Anthropology textbooks, but please feel free to update the page with your references. Jesus CHRIST
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# ? Apr 3, 2016 09:25 |
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I'm not responding, just commenting for the circle jerk. LC used surgeons as an example of where merit selection was especially important. If only he knew. http://www.smh.com.au/national/bullying-endemic-among-surgeons-but-victims-too-scared-to-speak-up-report-finds-20150909-gjiuxl.html quote:Female surgeons feel obliged to give sexual favours, report finds Date September 10, 2015 Craig Butt Reporter for The Age
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# ? Apr 3, 2016 09:25 |
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LibertyCat posted:Wiki has a ton of citations from Anthropology textbooks, but please feel free to update the page with your references. Wikitionary posted:An organized culture encompassing many communities, often on the scale of a nation or a people; a stage or system of social, political or technical development.
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# ? Apr 3, 2016 09:26 |
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BBJoey posted:An organized culture encompassing many communities, often on the scale of a nation or a people; a stage or system of social, political or technical development. Pretty sure Aboriginal tribes don't qualify. Social/political/technical development seems to have stagnated for a few thousand years. and Cartoon, the answer is to fix that poo poo by disciplining the offenders.
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LibertyCat posted:Pretty sure Aboriginal tribes don't qualify. Social/political/technical development seems to have stagnated for a few thousand years. Simple English Wikipedia posted:The type of culture and society developed by a particular nation or region or in a particular epoch: Maya civilization; the civilization of ancient Rome.
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# ? Apr 3, 2016 09:28 |
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They weren't the same as us so they don't count
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# ? Apr 3, 2016 09:30 |
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OK quoting from Simple aka "Wikipeda for Retards" is getting desperate. The Maya The Romans Totally comparable to tribes that hadn't discovered the Wheel.
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# ? Apr 3, 2016 09:33 |
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Can you not?
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# ? Apr 3, 2016 09:36 |
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LibertyCat posted:OK quoting from Simple aka "Wikipeda for Retards" is getting desperate. The Maya didn't have wheels either.
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# ? Apr 3, 2016 09:38 |
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LibertyCat posted:OK quoting from Simple aka "Wikipeda for Retards" is getting desperate. See where engaging meaningfully with people like this has gotten us, tithin? Do you still think we should adjust our tone for the sake of filth like this?
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