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Haha, Marvel has a villain called The Jester? That's amusingly blatant.
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^^^I know. How original^^^^ DD's rogues gallery is quite lame. poo poo, his comic was lame for a really long time until Miller took off with it and later Bendis and Brubaker started building off what Frank did with it. Steve2911 posted:I just checked the plot summary of this on Wikipedia. Holy poo poo I hope they end up taking Karen's character in that hosed up direction. Go read Born Again. You can find it in TPB and it's really good. If I'm not mistaken, it was Miller's return to the character after a year or two off. Frank Miller gets poo poo on a lot (often for good reason) but his DD run is absolutely superb. BiggerBoat fucked around with this message at 18:20 on Apr 2, 2016 |
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Apr 2, 2016 18:18
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BiggerBoat posted:^^^I know. How original^^^^ Yeah, basically it wouldn't be possible for this Daredevil show to be as good as it is in the ways that it is if it wasn't for Miller's runs making the character actually cool and good.
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BrianWilly posted:Unless the Nu52 changed more than I thought, this is misleading. Members of the GLC being allowed to kill is a very big deal and almost always depicted as a bad thing. Guy Gardner is the only main GL who would willingly kill, and even then he's mostly talk. John Stewart is an ex-marine who regularly creates guns out of green energy to shoot people with. Simon Baz carries a regular gun in case he needs to shoot people and his ring is out of energy. Pretty much all of the GL stuff is basically a mix of space cops and space soldiers.
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savinhill posted:Yeah, basically it wouldn't be possible for this Daredevil show to be as good as it is in the ways that it is if it wasn't for Miller's runs making the character actually cool and good. I've been re-reading The Immortal Iron-Fist stuff lately (and just finished Aja's run on it) and I was just wondering if, beyond Davos, does Iron Fist even have a Rogue's Gallery? I mean, I guess you could count Hydra and/or the Hand, but Hydra are an Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. foe and the Hand are (a) not really his, (b) almost certainly what the Defender's need to team up for and (c) really only a threat en-masse, like Hydra - at least in the comics. Are they any good Rogue's he could borrow from other character's for the show? Maybe Taskmaster, since I doubt Cap is using him? Deadpool might though I guess.
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Blazing Ownager posted:I just realized that Daredevil is the ONLY character in the MCU with the anti-killing obsession where as non-cinematic DC won't shut up about it. Cap actually doesn't kill the minigun guy, he just hits him and leaves him.
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ImpAtom posted:John Stewart is an ex-marine who regularly creates guns out of green energy to shoot people with. Simon Baz carries a regular gun in case he needs to shoot people and his ring is out of energy. Pretty much all of the GL stuff is basically a mix of space cops and space soldiers. So, in normal circumstances, no matter what green lasers they fire or how hard they hit, the rings make sure that it's done in such a way that the result doesn't end up killing anyone. I don't know what Simon does with that stupid gun of his, but I don't think he's actually killed anyone with it. Which, yes, just makes the gun even dumber.
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Daredevil the show has this nasty habit of introducing side characters and then immediately killing them or making them double cross the main characters. They go through so many it becomes a cliche and then totally boring, worst example being : Clancy Brown's character, who could have been just a nice scene showing the depth of Frank Castle's character but instead I guess is the Blacksmith drug lord who may or may not have intentionally murdered Castle's family. Well, wait, why did he testify in the first place to help Castle if he actually wanted him dead? Why does any of this make sense? Any time a tertiary character pops up its just a race against time before the show brutally murders them. Get just a teensy bit more creative please.
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Aphrodite posted:Cap actually doesn't kill the minigun guy, he just hits him and leaves him. No he just let's Sam kill one guy and reflects the bullets into another.
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BrianWilly posted:The guns and bullets made of green energy -- and I'm not making GBS threads anyone with this, this is certified canon -- aren't lethal unless the GL in question wills them to be lethal. When I said that GLs being allowed to kill is a very big deal, I meant that there was a literal programming lock on their rings making them unable to deliver killing blows until the threat of the Sinestro Corps caused the Guardians to lift that restriction. Geoff Johns is a bad Green Lantern writer.
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To be fair the non-lethal loophole existed back during the 90s as well, and maybe even earlier. There were no Guardians around to enforce anything when Kyle was the only Lantern, but his ring's non-lethal setting was self-imposed. The first time I found out about this whole oddity was when Kyle was narrating it.
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Everything Green Lantern is Johns' fault just like how everything Marvel is Bendis' fault.
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ImpAtom posted:Geoff Johns is a bad Green Lantern writer. Wasn't he responsible for the other Corps, the Sinestro Corp war and so on? Simon Baz sounds terrible (not read it), but I like those comics so I'd say he's good on the whole due to them if nothing else.
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People really like their sensitive artist Green Lantern he replaced. It's not a debate you want to start.
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Steve2911 posted:Also I love that Karen spent months being slowly trained to be an investigative journalist because she has good instincts etc, and at the end it turns out she can't write for poo poo. I can just imagine Ellison's face after reading that fanfic quality draft. Every journalist is a opinion columnist according to Hollywood. Like that lady in House of Cards who spends a whole season chasing Frank Underwood's crimes and then her big opus is a loving opinion column comparing him to a hurricane like anyone would give a poo poo.
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They did a non-terrible job of TV Lawyer-ing this year. Well, until Murdock delivered a closing statement during his own examination of the defendant. Oy.
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Finally finished this season. Watching it bit by bit really highlights how the structure of this season undermines the Hand story. Several major climaxes play out as pre-credits sequences, whereas the big moments in the Punisher storyline tend to happen near the end of episodes and are so much more compelling because of the 45 minutes or so of uninterrupted build up.
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Apr 3, 2016 12:21
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So Daredevilman will simpy have to keep throwing Fisk in jail oveer and over and over again, even though it doesn't even matter much to Fisk
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Zzulu posted:So Daredevilman will simpy have to keep throwing Fisk in jail oveer and over and over again, even though it doesn't even matter much to Fisk He is trying his best.
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I wouldn't be the least surprised to see some version of "Fisk doesn't go to jail but DD dismantles his empire and ruins his reputation" and/or "DD declares himself the 'Kingpin' of Hell's Kitchen".
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tsob posted:I've been re-reading The Immortal Iron-Fist stuff lately (and just finished Aja's run on it) and I was just wondering if, beyond Davos, does Iron Fist even have a Rogue's Gallery? I mean, I guess you could count Hydra and/or the Hand, but Hydra are an Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. foe and the Hand are (a) not really his, (b) almost certainly what the Defender's need to team up for and (c) really only a threat en-masse, like Hydra - at least in the comics. Are they any good Rogue's he could borrow from other character's for the show? Maybe Taskmaster, since I doubt Cap is using him? Deadpool might though I guess. He's spent most of his time hanging out with Luke Cage and doing for hire work, so neither of them have a lot of notable villains. Largely the repeated bullshit either US or Kunlan society dumps on them. Immortal Ironfist did add the interesting idea of the 33rd Birthday demon and the machinations of the previously secret 8th city of heaven. Also the short chronicles of the other Iron Fists had a couple opponent idea that might be able to be adapted.
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I'm really hoping to see the Wrecking Crew in Luke Cage, they'd be a good fit for the Netflix segment of the MCU.
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Zzulu posted:So Daredevilman will simpy have to keep throwing Fisk in jail oveer and over and over again, even though it doesn't even matter much to Fisk At least until they decide to introduce some of the other people and plot elements who have led to his downfall at various times. Usually people he has hired, partnered with, or sired. I seem to recall that both HYDRA and the Hand both wound up being entities who wound up on his poo poo list due to their willingness to openly act against him (and frequently succeed).
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EricFate posted:At least until they decide to introduce some of the other people and plot elements who have led to his downfall at various times. Usually people he has hired, partnered with, or sired. I seem to recall that both HYDRA and the Hand both wound up being entities who wound up on his poo poo list due to their willingness to openly act against him (and frequently succeed). Seeing Fisk get clowned by the Hand would make this Black Sky stuff really worth it.
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Mike N Eich posted:I'm wrapping up the season now and I definitely think the second half of the season is in decline compared to the first half. The first 4 episodes make a pretty solid Punisher arc, they could have been a mini-series themselves, and then the show kinda scuffles figuring out what to do next. Bernthal is great, he's captivating whenever he's onscreen, and its also a pleasure to see D'Onofrio back, as a Kingpin thats clearly beginning to enjoy himself a little bit more. The jail bits were great, and that fight in the cell block was definitely the most vicious thing they've done in the show so far. From last page, but my thoughts exactly. Everything up to Fisk getting Frank out of jail was great. Things ran out of steam after that, leading to a boring finale. I was trying to figure out who the Blacksmith would be and economy of characters led me to believe that the only choice would be Stick. It would have been a way to tie the two stories together, I'm disappointed we didn't get that in the end. Yeah it would have been lame, but at least everything coming together would have been better than what we got. Matt and Frank's first fight on the rooftop was great. Matt fights like a boxer, which is something we don't see a lot in superhero shows, which made the fight interesting to watch. Everything eventually devolves into the same old Kill Bill type poo poo toward the end. Matt becomes just another ninja. Tokelau All Star fucked around with this message at 10:35 on Apr 4, 2016 |
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The fight scenes are fun to look at, but a bunch of them are just generic "watch them be cool" stuff. The early stuff with Frank are great, and I enjoyed seeing how in sync Elektra and Matt are when fighting. But towards the end there's a lot of strangeness. After a season of Castle kicking the poo poo out of Matt, he's easily dispatched on the boat. I get that maybe Frank is holding back or whatever, but its awkwardly staged.
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IMO the biggest laugh of the season came when a catholic that uses his religion to set limits preached that myth should not control Elektra. Thoughts?
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Mike N Eich posted:Daredevil the show has this nasty habit of introducing side characters and then immediately killing them or making them double cross the main characters. They go through so many it becomes a cliche and then totally boring, worst example being : Clancy Brown's character, who could have been just a nice scene showing the depth of Frank Castle's character but instead I guess is the Blacksmith drug lord who may or may not have intentionally murdered Castle's family. Well, wait, why did he testify in the first place to help Castle if he actually wanted him dead? Why does any of this make sense? You know what? As much of a waste it would've been to only use Clancy Brown for just that one scene, I'd grant that. I'm a guy who the second I hear that distinctive voice, I'm all loving in for whatever role he has, so to only have him in that one five minute scene would not nearly be enough...but I get what you're saying there. In a way, it would have been good to show him just as Frank's former CO and friend, and had the Blacksmith be more of a Punisher Season One villain. Also, then we could have Clancy Brown as a recurring character.
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Four scenes stand up as particularly great and like things that will be lauded for years to come: Anything having to do with the Punisher. Fisk beating the unholy hell out of Matt and the subsequent threatening. Karen's expression as she turns on the car and that particular song starts blaring. Daredevil doing the sign of the cross on himself before admitting to Frank he wants to kill the Blacksmith. I mean maybe the series kinda starts fraying near the end but you cannot deny the acting isn't incredible. Calaveron fucked around with this message at 19:59 on Apr 4, 2016 |
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Why are you guys still using spoiler tags?
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I'd really like a gif of Kingpin beating the poo poo of Frank in prison, I wouldn't be surprised if he watched footage of gorillas fighting to get inspiration.
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Calaveron posted:Daredevil doing the sign of the cross on himself before admitting to Frank he wants to kill the Blacksmith. Matt didn't say he wants to kill the Blacksmith. He just said that's what may have to be done (i.e. he'd let Frank kill, just that one time).
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enraged_camel posted:Matt didn't say he wants to kill the Blacksmith. He just said that's what may have to be done (i.e. he'd let Frank kill, just that one time). It was still a delightful touch and Cox pulled it off like nobody's business
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Narcissus1916 posted:They did a non-terrible job of TV Lawyer-ing this year. Well, until Murdock delivered a closing statement during his own examination of the defendant. Oy. That was the most hilarious thing. I'm not anywhere close to being a lawyer but when Murdock finished with 'no further questions, Your Honor', I actually said out loud, "But you didn't ask any questions!" And I really wanted the judge to say the same thing and then have the entire statement stricken from the record.
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The part where Foggy says that turning in a wanted (sentenced?) fugitive would break attorney-client privilege has to be wrong, right?
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The more I think about it, the more this Hand poo poo is a loving trainwreck.
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Soothing Vapors posted:given that his client is a man named "The Punisher" whose stated goal in life is to murder lots more dudes, the failure to turn him in would get Foggy disbarred (and arrested) He's talking about Grotto, not Frank.
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