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Edmond Dantes posted:It is a wig, actually; Kane has short-ish hair: Huh, that's a surprisingly sensible answer, considering we're talking comics. Having a mask with a wig is actually kind of a cool idea. Not very practical, but hey, not any more so than a hero costume with built in heels. Which from what I can see, this one doesn't actually have, awesome. But the wig is no sillier than all those heroines who do sport the high heeled crimefighter look. I can dig it.
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GirlCalledBob posted:Huh, that's a surprisingly sensible answer, considering we're talking comics. Having a mask with a wig is actually kind of a cool idea. Not very practical, but hey, not any more so than a hero costume with built in heels. Which from what I can see, this one doesn't actually have, awesome. But the wig is no sillier than all those heroines who do sport the high heeled crimefighter look. I can dig it. Consider that Batgirl back in '66 did the exact same thing, and for much the same reasons.
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Apr 3, 2016 04:38
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berryjon posted:Consider that Batgirl back in '66 did the exact same thing, and for much the same reasons. Yeah. Way back when, Batgirl's costume was literally a Halloween costume with a wig.
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Apr 3, 2016 04:41
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fool_of_sound posted:and the piles of collectibles get a lot smaller. Ah, that brings up a good point. What would be the collectibles for Arkham Beyond? Terry doesn't really have a Riddler analogue. Unless Eddie designed some sort of failsafe decades ago that kicks off when he's an old man. Actually, that might work. Have him be completely senile with only occasional glimpses of that once-proud ego show up to offer a cryptic hint as to how to stop whatever happened. Maybe you can have some of his cutting edge (at the time) riddlebots show up and grab people to put in death traps that haven't been opened in forever. The old machinery and wiring is giving out, making the bots and the traps act unpredictably. Terry's not the detective Bruce is, so it would play to the usual methods he uses to just break things until someone's safe. Thinking more about it now, Stalker could be a most wanted along the lines of Deadshot or Zsasz. He's out in the city and hunting people and the Batman has to track him down.
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Apr 3, 2016 05:14
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Here's an idea: No collectibles, because they are stupid.
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Apr 3, 2016 05:21
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Doctor Reynolds posted:Here's an idea: No collectibles, because they are stupid.  Also a AAA game with even the tiniest amount of open world will never lack collectibles from now on. It's too easy to pad the game with them, some people really like them, and as long as you don't lock stuff behind way too many, there's no reason to complain about them.
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Apr 3, 2016 05:23
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But how will people get all those trophies and achievements!? D: Actually, that might be a good way to subvert it. No, Terry's not up to the task of figuring out where all this poo poo is. But he can put the little pieces together and go stop the bad guy without finding poo poo.
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Apr 3, 2016 05:24
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Vicissitude posted:Ah, that brings up a good point. What would be the collectibles for Arkham Beyond? Terry doesn't really have a Riddler analogue. Unless Eddie designed some sort of failsafe decades ago that kicks off when he's an old man. Actually, that might work. Have him be completely senile with only occasional glimpses of that once-proud ego show up to offer a cryptic hint as to how to stop whatever happened. Maybe you can have some of his cutting edge (at the time) riddlebots show up and grab people to put in death traps that haven't been opened in forever. The old machinery and wiring is giving out, making the bots and the traps act unpredictably. Terry's not the detective Bruce is, so it would play to the usual methods he uses to just break things until someone's safe. Instead of the Riddler trying to be the smartest, you can have Robert Vance attempting to take over parts of the city. No trophies to collect, more like the datapacks from Origins where you have to shut down nodes that Vance is using to spread his AI consciousness. It'd end with a fight against the batsuit, so there's actually a neat boss battle to be had from it.
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Apr 3, 2016 05:42
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IMJack posted:And less plot creep and villain scheme escalation. If every game is Batman's Worst Night, then the writers have to go further and further to make it even worse and more complicated than the last game was. Arkham Knight would have worked better episodic. Arkham City already did open world and the story they seem to want to tell in Arkham Knight is the end of the Bat-Family thanks to Batman's increasing instability and lack of trust thanks to Mad Clown Disease. Having all that happen in one night feels forced. Instead of seeing Batman's normal interactions with the Bat-Family and then see them fall apart over the months after Joker's death we just get Batman being an rear end in a top hat and becoming (slightly) more of one as the night drags on.
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Apr 3, 2016 05:50
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I'm not going to lie, I would love an Arkham Beyond game, but I'd also love an Arkham game that dealt with the Court of Owls.
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death .cab for qt posted:Instead of the Riddler trying to be the smartest, you can have Robert Vance attempting to take over parts of the city. No trophies to collect, more like the datapacks from Origins where you have to shut down nodes that Vance is using to spread his AI consciousness. It'd end with a fight against the batsuit, so there's actually a neat boss battle to be had from it. I forgot about Vance. A fight against the hacked batsuit would be interesting since it would take away most of the gadgets Terry uses. But it would give us a chance to use classic batman tools, probably the REC to disrupt the suit long enough to, say, shut down a terminal that Vance is using for his plan. Maybe Bruce can cobble together a suit for Terry to wear instead of just a mask.
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Apr 3, 2016 07:04
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Vicissitude posted:I forgot about Vance. A fight against the hacked batsuit would be interesting since it would take away most of the gadgets Terry uses. But it would give us a chance to use classic batman tools, probably the REC to disrupt the suit long enough to, say, shut down a terminal that Vance is using for his plan. Maybe Bruce can cobble together a suit for Terry to wear instead of just a mask. Or,if it's set in the Arkhamverse timeline,Terry could use a modified version of the AK suit.
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Apr 3, 2016 07:15
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Nah, half the fun of that story arc was Terry showing off that he's more than just the new gadgets, he's also a drat good Batman without the suit. I think he takes it on with just a utility belt, if I remember correctly? So besides being an awesome fight against an opponent similar to, but distinct from, the way you've been fighting all game, it'd also be a dead simple extra character for challenge maps. An easy to make Nightwing or Robin analogue. I think of everything they could do with a Batman Beyond style Arkham game, the thing I'd look forward to the most is more freeform exploration. Right now, everything still somewhat tied to the Batclaw being able to grip structures, which can be a bit buggy. Terry would have the rocket thrusters on the feet, which can be constrained to just a boost after divebomb-pullup or similar situations. Basically like the grapnel boost, implemented slightly differently, letting you still glide as the main thrust of your movement, but you could be able to speed it up or even just rocket jump up in the open-world like Bruce does from the Batmobile. I could ideas-man the poo poo outta this game all day 
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All these ideas on an Arkham Beyond game are super great and would be super rad to play. And then I get sad when I realize if it ever does happen it won't be quite as rad. 
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Vicissitude posted:I forgot about Vance. A fight against the hacked batsuit would be interesting since it would take away most of the gadgets Terry uses. But it would give us a chance to use classic batman tools, probably the REC to disrupt the suit long enough to, say, shut down a terminal that Vance is using for his plan. Maybe Bruce can cobble together a suit for Terry to wear instead of just a mask. Return to the Metroidvania feeling of Arkham Asylum. Terry loses control of his normal suit, so he tracks down the old caches Bruce hid all over Gotham to cobble together a set of working gear.
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If you're doing an Arkham Beyond game instead of the Riddler leaving challenges for Batman it's Bruce leaving challenges for Terry. Sort of prove you have what it takes deal. That even fits the whole optional thing, you don't have to prove you're just as good as Bruce, but it would be nice to do so. Also means you don't have to have any hostages at all.
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To chip in on the Arkham Beyond ideas, you could have a fight with Inque that is essentially a reverse predator section where you spend a set amount of time trying to avoid her as she hunts you down. Another idea: At one point the volume in the game just mutes, and in the options menu the option to raise it is *gone*, and this leads into a predator fight with Shriek where you have to be extra stealthy because you're the only one who's making noise.
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IMJack posted:Return to the Metroidvania feeling of Arkham Asylum. Terry loses control of his normal suit, so he tracks down the old caches Bruce hid all over Gotham to cobble together a set of working gear. I'm guessing that stuff would be even more out of date than Terry's suit. Remember, he says that it's about 10 years old but top of the line for its day. It'd be a nice and funny scene for Terry to go wading through the sewer to find 20 year old gear only to find that they're hilariously low tech. Or even gone. Bruce flat up gave up on being Batman. I doubt he recovered much of it. death .cab for qt posted:Nah, half the fun of that story arc was Terry showing off that he's more than just the new gadgets, he's also a drat good Batman without the suit. I think he takes it on with just a utility belt, if I remember correctly? He did, yeah. Utility belt and Nightwing's tiny little mask. Still, you could throw a nice nod to the movie, for instance. Maybe Vance hired some Jokerz to take a warehouse and loot the place. "Hey, Joker said he missed the cape. Shouldn't disappoint them." SardonicTyrant posted:To chip in on the Arkham Beyond ideas, you could have a fight with Inque that is essentially a reverse predator section where you spend a set amount of time trying to avoid her as she hunts you down. Both of these ideas are awesome. Shriek could be a lot like the final Bane enounter in Origins. That big bull rush replaced with a wide sonic blast, he could hear you tromping through vents and grates and ruin them with his suit. Inque wouldn't show up on detective vision so you'd have to try other methods, maybe like the Laughing Octopus fight in MGS4.
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SardonicTyrant posted:Another idea: At one point the volume in the game just mutes, and in the options menu the option to raise it is *gone*, and this leads into a predator fight with Shriek where you have to be extra stealthy because you're the only one who's making noise. That would be fantastic.
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Back to the main story! Going Off-Script/PolsyNew bio: Two-Face
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dscruffy1 posted:Back to the main story! Do we have to?
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Waffleman_ posted:Do we have to? Yes, so that we can appreciate the awesome DLC better.
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About that glowing red gun hologram outside the bank at the very end of the video: is that a way to replay the section? That would be a very neat addition. One of the things I always missed in the Arkham games was that while since City you can just fly around and get in a fistfight whenever you want, there was no way to replay indoor predator sections without redoing the entire game.
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Felinoid posted:About that glowing red gun hologram outside the bank at the very end of the video: is that a way to replay the section? It's an AR challenge! The alarm is constantly going so it's all loud takedowns, it's just seeing how fast you can take enemies down.
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Why did that Riddler cop fold so easily? Cobra tank, more like death star tank. It even has the same weakness for crying out loud. Hey, I was wondering were the other villains were. 'sup 2-face. The non-standard predator was nice. Sill, are they seriously trying to pass Barb's "death" as a plot point?
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Omobono posted:Sill, are they seriously trying to pass Barb's "death" as a plot point? Oh buddy, they're gonna be trying to convince you she actually died til the last few hours of the game. Incidentally, if you talk to that corrupt cop a couple of times, he's one of the few people in this game who notes that Riddler isn't doing so hot. He describes Edward as kind of pathetic - not eating or sleeping and somebody he just felt sorry for. CuwiKhons fucked around with this message at 18:19 on Apr 3, 2016 |
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What the enemies aren't doing with the Cobra Tanks is mixing them with the other tanks. Can't have the Arkham knight actually use decent tactics. Speaking of Arkham knight, he and Scarecrow needs to take a quality over quantity approach when talking. The more they say, the less they feel like a threat. Scarecrow trying to take credit for Barbara's death (or "death") doesn't help either, it just shows how little he has going for him.
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Crystalgate posted:What the enemies aren't doing with the Cobra Tanks is mixing them with the other tanks. Can't have the Arkham knight actually use decent tactics.
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Wait a minute! Cobra Tanks are predator sections for the bat-tank.
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Major_JF posted:Wait a minute! Cobra Tanks are predator sections for the bat-tank.
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"Are you ready? "This is the "Extra large." At least that is the vibe I got from the cobra.
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Crystalgate posted:Speaking of Arkham knight, he and Scarecrow needs to take a quality over quantity approach when talking. The more they say, the less they feel like a threat. Scarecrow trying to take credit for Barbara's death (or "death") doesn't help either, it just shows how little he has going for him. I agree that Scarecrow talks waaaaay too much in this game. It works for a guy like Joker in Asylum because that's his personality. He likes getting under people's skin. Scarecrow talking nonstop about how afraid you should be ruins the feeling of fear that you should be getting. He's basically going "Are you scared yet? No? YOU WILL BE!  "
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On the other hand, the characterization of Two-Face is pretty on-target. Obsessed with justice and fairness, but using duality and his coin as the method.
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Tasteful Dickpic posted:On the other hand, the characterization of Two-Face is pretty on-target. Obsessed with justice and fairness, but using duality and his coin as the method.
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CuwiKhons posted:Oh buddy, they're gonna be trying to convince you she actually died til the last few hours of the game. Awww poor weirdo  I'm admittedly not a walking wiki of Batman trivia, but Riddler seems like the most empathizable character in the media. He had an abusive childhood leading to a mentally unwell adulthood that's really detrimental to enjoyment of life. Maybe he is truly fond of puzzles, but the compulsion part of it can't be fun. [You're running around Gotham sticking sudoko on the sides of building, man.]I think he should get Shanghai'd to Europe for a permanent vacation, with a psychiatrist to help him out. Stay Safe, Riddler Ghost.
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So why does Batman want Ryder to leave the police station? I think at this point it's way too dangerous for him to leave the city and he doesn't have a Batcave of his own to go to. Where else is he supposed to go that won't get broken into, gassed, or firebombed? Also, Ryder is a total dick. He didn't seem that bad in City, but I wish that there was a prompt to punch him in the face in this game.
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They missed a huge opportunity for him to be the Creeper.
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Speedball posted:They missed a huge opportunity for him to be the Creeper. Creeper DLC? If it's anything like the Batgirl one, I'd buy it!
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Of games to wish for... Arkham: Slow week for Batman. Or the game where you can have less "beat dudes" sections, but more of being World's Greatest Detective sections, so you aren't under much narrative pressure. Yes, there's gang you may beat, there's a crime you need to solve, but there's enough time to pick up prelude for bank robbery, drop on would-be robbers and give them a talk to prevent that (and maybe point to more legal ways of getting the means), or find traces of next Riddler's plan and troll him by preventativly solving his puzzle and leaving solution where he wanted to put said puzzle. If you solved puzzle correctly, based on scraps, Riddler freaks out, but if you are wrong, he gloats and you do live run later that week. And, of course, instead of entire armory, you bring only come chosen gadgets and can solve courses with limited number of tools beyond basic ones. Less plot, less money involved, based on assets of Arkham Knight, shows Batman when he isn't facing twenty five crisises at once.
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