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Goatman Sacks posted:This current war reminds me most of the original BoB invasion of Tenerifis, in terms of direness of situation. Except this time a dude in a frigate can start a timer with 10 minutes of work. I know bob, but no idea which war you are talking about, that's too old. What happened in that invasion, we got kicked out of null?
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Reverand maynard posted:My favorite part of this thread is people calling us ungoony. I have literal serfs that rat so I get full reimbursement, and ive stolen more isk this week from hostiles than ordo garr ever stole from blues. Can't be said enough
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Goatman Sacks posted:We're losing FCON's branch staging while getting a peptalk. We can't actually contest that so might as well get people caught up 
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Apr 3, 2016 22:00
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Altran posted:I know bob, but no idea which war you are talking about, that's too old. What happened in that invasion, we got kicked out of null? Both numbers and game design were severely tilted against us. We basically held out until the game design issues were fixed. I don't see that happening with this though.
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Apr 3, 2016 22:01
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I just can't understand the drive to have so many swordfleets. I love flying interceptors but so far after four fleets of them over the past several days they've been collectively worthless for anything but quickly fanning out to find nodes to hack.
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Apr 3, 2016 22:05
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Venom Snake posted:This doesn't really explain why they had all their poo poo in VFK and not UQ9 when we saved the IHUB We had barely any poo poo in VFK, it was defended almost completely uncontested. We were just slow moving out and didn't get to UQ9 in time to contest the IHUB - that's why you got it.
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Goatman Sacks posted:Both numbers and game design were severely tilted against us. We basically held out until the game design issues were fixed. I don't see that happening with this though. Just gotta hold out until they declare "victory is inevitable" and immediately disintegrate into stupid drama and infighting and backstabbing, really. Anyway, isn't there supposed to be a game-changing patch queued to kick some nerds in the balls fairly soon?
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Apr 3, 2016 22:15
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While everyone's fighting. I'm just cruising around while waiting for my application to be approved. It's kinda relaxing. http://i.imgur.com/qVCZxr5.png
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silentsnack posted:Just gotta hold out until they declare "victory is inevitable" and immediately disintegrate into stupid drama and infighting and backstabbing, really. Citadel is just going to make supers and caps more vulnerable and more deadly. We don't use our supers now out of fear of losing them, we'll never use them after they're actually killable. It's not really going to impact this war much. Well other than PL/NC will drop supers on everything with free abandon because somehow they magically can without retribution.
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Apr 3, 2016 22:20
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Post-citadel, a single super will be able to wipe out its weight in subcaps, so PL and NC. will just drop piles of them into every fight and sweep the field of anything smaller than a Titan, which will be doomsdayed multiple times until it explodes.
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So the future is suicide ganking with dreads, got it. imps, come back with a better name next time.
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Goatman Sacks posted:The Fountain War started out like this - though not quite as badly. We burned out NC and PL's interest with caracal and siege fleets, and by the end of it we were helicopter dicking tons of dreads. You didn't burn out their interest, they had to withdraw to defend their renter sov and just never came back. I was in TEST for that, not having a super umbrella anymore really sucked. nessin posted:I just can't understand the drive to have so many swordfleets. I love flying interceptors but so far after four fleets of them over the past several days they've been collectively worthless for anything but quickly fanning out to find nodes to hack. It's because if you form up a real fleet, it gets slaughtered. ~wulfpax~
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dragonstalking posted:You didn't burn out their interest, they had to withdraw to defend their renter sov and just never came back. Man only a total retard would think this, who could be that dumb... dragonstalking posted:I was in TEST for that ohhhhh
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Apr 3, 2016 22:41
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Also people clinging to the fact that rear end in a top hat spider tanking will be gone are ignoring the fact that DPS is a tank all its own, if you can murder the enemy fleet before they can chew through 10m EHP, then you didn't need to rep after all.
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Tokyo Sexwhale posted:Post-citadel, a single super will be able to wipe out its weight in subcaps, so PL and NC. will just drop piles of them into every fight and sweep the field of anything smaller than a Titan, which will be doomsdayed multiple times until it explodes. The thing is just going to be who can afford to replace titans, supers, capitals, and fax machines faster. That and if PL and NC. give a care about keeping us out of our space forever and or following us around forever.
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I could get down with a role reversal and free reign to lead an insurrection Blops dropping and black ops camping the infidels in dek
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Call Me Sa Matrandic Thrass
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Tokyo Sexwhale posted:Post-citadel, a single super will be able to wipe out its weight in subcaps, so PL and NC. will just drop piles of them into every fight and sweep the field of anything smaller than a Titan, which will be doomsdayed multiple times until it explodes. Ye, anyone care give a tl'dr version of the most notable cap changes? The only thing I learnt on sisi is that super's dps is loving unbelievable and both titan and supers die very fast.
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Altran posted:I might only be recently joined goons, but steamrolling people like the last fountain war was fun, getting steamrolled like now is unfun. Horde alone is pulling 250 dudes in fleet, we need to step up our game. You have no reason to leave Goonfleet, then. When you realize that wars like that are incredibly boring for line members even when you're steamrolling, it's still not time to leave. There are (usually, at least) multiple groups within Goonfleet where you can engage in actually-fun forms of PvP. When those groups get kicked for being "strategically useless" that's where it finally becomes a difficult decision. On the one hand, this happens a lot, because the most fun stuff involves loving around in places that have no strategic value. On the other hand, there's always some population within the Imperium, and especially within GSF, who want to do this, so every time a group leaves or dies or re-imagines itself into something unrecognizable, a new one springs up soon enough. At that point, it really comes down to going where your friends go.
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Altran posted:Ye, anyone care give a tl'dr version of the most notable cap changes?
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Apr 3, 2016 23:28
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Eve of Legends 2016. Thanks Riot
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https://www.twitch.tv/slimmonkey81/v/58467546 So to sum up his latest fireside chat: -fozziesov is a mess, there's no line in the sand or front line -CCP is hostile to us because they adopted World War Bee as official -our enemies will get tired of taking our sov and killing our fleets -black swan event will save us -we changed TZ's to avoid more losses -Vale was an over-extension of our sov as i said earlier, but we'll retake it anyways after this war -adding more hulls to our doctrine so our supply doesn't run dry -going to lose most CSAA's because CO2 spys gave them to PL -jesus christ more crap about the supposed trap -whining about citadels -more vengeance-in-the-future crap -we want them to take our sov so we can hit it again Meanwhile, Fade was burning, timers were lost, TEST destroyed over 200 ceptors in a 90min period, and SMA members are beginning to defect in droves.
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gently caress but it's gonna be like a year until I can carrier it up aaaa
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I still think the best course of action is just evac and drop all sov. Fucks over CCP and their whole great war thing and it's not like we're gonna win anyway so might as well have some fun with it.
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LemonDrizzle posted:
Thanks. It seems blaping dreads and titans would see more actions. Dreads are the new Battleship and Titans are the new Faction battleships?
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Goatman Sacks posted:We're losing FCON's branch staging while getting a peptalk. So you make em defend it every two days who cares, think of it this way- the more poo poo they flip the more they gotta defend, and then at some point they end up defending more than attacking. And if they dont actually defend anything...well, I guess they didnt want it anyways.
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I feel like resetting our vulnerability timers and grinding up ADMs in the places we have left might improve things a bit, but we'll never win a final station timer with our numbers.
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Goatman Sacks posted:I feel like resetting our vulnerability timers and grinding up ADMs in the places we have left might improve things a bit, but we'll never win a final station timer with our numbers. That doesn't really matter because our enemies would never leave so much as an ibis in a null station. Never mind grind adms and defend it.
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Zephyrine posted:That doesn't really matter because our enemies would never leave so much as an ibis in a null station. Never mind grind adms and defend it. We already decided Manny won't be paying the bills so don't be so sure.
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Tokyo Sexwhale posted:Post-citadel, a single super will be able to wipe out its weight in subcaps, so PL and NC. will just drop piles of them into every fight and sweep the field of anything smaller than a Titan, which will be doomsdayed multiple times until it explodes. Are the high-angle guns still supposed to be inferior to anti-capital guns? If so, wouldn't mass dropping with HA's precipitate a counter drop by AC's? Granted I'm pretty ignorant on the extent of the supercap-gap.
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crew posted:So you make em defend it every two days who cares, think of it this way- the more poo poo they flip the more they gotta defend, and then at some point they end up defending more than attacking. Not to mention that ragtag coalition burnout.
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Goatman Sacks posted:I feel like resetting our vulnerability timers and grinding up ADMs in the places we have left might improve things a bit, but we'll never win a final station timer with our numbers. The worst thing we could possibly do is to keep trying to fight their blob. You let them form up 3000 nerds and then blueball them, then blueball them, then blueball them some more.
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dragonstalking posted:We already decided Manny won't be paying the bills so don't be so sure. PL running anoms and mining in Deklein. For that sight you can have all of it.
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DirtyMick posted:Are the high-angle guns still supposed to be inferior to anti-capital guns? If so, wouldn't mass dropping with HA's precipitate a counter drop by AC's? Granted I'm pretty ignorant on the extent of the supercap-gap. people had already been trying stuff with dreads and titans for years (there was about a 2-year period where blap titans ruled Eve), but this will probably just formalize people using dreads as main doctrine, instead of something needed to only shoot big things I don't really know the current meta, but since dominion created supercarriers the tactics involving capitals have been subcaps>capitals>supercaps>more supercaps, which isn't good because it creates an arms race. The reality of the current state of nullsec is that a genuinely new group likely couldn't enter 0.0 without supercap-wielding patrons, since the threat of the supercap-hammer precludes anyone from using capitals if they can't similarly escalate.
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Zephyrine posted:Horde running anoms and mining in Deklein. ftfy
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Krogort posted:You should known that there will soon (april 27) be a big capital ship rebalance and that a lot of things will be impacted by those changes. This is interesting to me. I only have the desire to play one character. I don't want to multibox and I don't want to have alts. I just want to get in a big Star Destroyer esque ship and slug it out with other ships. Will the new capital changes make that a viable and, god forbid, fun thing to do?
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Does sisi not register a resubbed account until the next mirror? I want to play with my aeon
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Zephyrine posted:PL running anoms and mining in Deklein. Grath always wanted Fountain. Deklein? Pass.
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dragonstalking posted:https://www.twitch.tv/slimmonkey81/v/58467546 CCP had to go where the public relations are - and right now that's r/Eve. There's been a year or so of building up the Imperialiam as the bad guys of the universe, you can't expect that not to stick when that was the whole point of the (re)brand in the first place. I don't think anyone gets tired of killing fleets AND taking sov. One or the other, but not both. It feels good to be on the winning side. What's the "black swan event"? Vale was an over-extension, but if Deklien does not fall, but I think it should be easy to take back afterwards (much like White Noise did after the fall of the NC). It depends who goes to live there. Who is actually moving in right now to live there? Supply issues? Logistics wins or losses wars, and histrionically Goonswarm has been some of the best at handling that. That sounds like a big thing, though not unprecedented. Hell, I think every major war Goonswarm's been involved in started with the wrong doctrine, but is there time to change? What are the defectors going? If C02/SMA etc etc just defect and start attacking their ex-allies from their current homes, that would remove a lot of the front lines and lead straight to Deklien. Is that happening? Comstar fucked around with this message at 01:06 on Apr 4, 2016 |
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Altran posted:I know bob, but no idea which war you are talking about, that's too old. What happened in that invasion, we got kicked out of null? The Great War mid 2007 when BoB was remote Doomsdaying any frigate they could find at will. It was literally impossible to fight back. Then remote Doomsdays were removed and Goons killed Shriek's Titan and the tide turned.
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