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Queen_Combat
Jan 15, 2011
Then it's on you and not the ambulance or engine crew, so I don't care. Just don't follow.

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InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

I Want To Believe.

Geirskogul posted:

Then it's on you and not the ambulance or engine crew, so I don't care. Just don't follow.
Outrun me then :colbert:

nm
Jan 28, 2008

"I saw Minos the Space Judge holding a golden sceptre and passing sentence upon the Martians. There he presided, and around him the noble Space Prosecutors sought the firm justice of space law."
It is really gonna suck when your wife dies because you rear ended the ambulance.

CharlieWhiskey
Aug 18, 2005

everything, all the time

this is the world
I could see case where I might follow, but not so closely that I instantly rearend the ambulance if they tap on the brakes.

Also, why are EMTs paying attention to who is following and not treating the person in critical condition in front of them?

PenisMonkey
Apr 30, 2004

Be gentally.
The ambulance called for him will be followed by his brother.

E: I, too, could see following in certain situations. Like out in the country; not in city traffic, though.

Karma Monkey
Sep 6, 2005

I MAKE BAD POSTING DECISIONS

PenisMonkey posted:

The ambulance called for him will be followed by his brother.

E: I, too, could see following in certain situations. Like out in the country; not in city traffic, though.

Same. I don't loving trust the city traffic here to stop or get out of the way for the ambulance let alone a car following it. :(

Queen_Combat
Jan 15, 2011
We create dangerous situations where we have inconvenienced a driver by moving them out of the way with our lights and sirens. They immediately want to fill this void the second we get back. They won't see the car following, just the flashy truck, and they will merge right into you.

Also, we can't concentrate on forward evasive maneuvers if we also have to worry about the jackass on our tail possibly rear-ending us. You are only endangering the crew and patient by following. There is ZERO reason or plus side to being right behind us; it is all negative possible outcomes. What do you gain? Nothing. What do you risk? More accidents, and a slower transport because we have to worry about your nervous, panicky driving behind us.

DO NOT FOLLOW THE AMBULANCE

Cage
Jul 17, 2003
www.revivethedrive.org
Im gonna follow the ambulance

TehRedWheelbarrow
Mar 16, 2011



Fan of Britches

Geirskogul posted:

We create dangerous situations where we have inconvenienced a driver by moving them out of the way with our lights and sirens. They immediately want to fill this void the second we get back. They won't see the car following, just the flashy truck, and they will merge right into you.

Also, we can't concentrate on forward evasive maneuvers if we also have to worry about the jackass on our tail possibly rear-ending us. You are only endangering the crew and patient by following. There is ZERO reason or plus side to being right behind us; it is all negative possible outcomes. What do you gain? Nothing. What do you risk? More accidents, and a slower transport because we have to worry about your nervous, panicky driving behind us.

DO NOT FOLLOW THE AMBULANCE

seriously watch how traffic splits like moses in germany.. i feel bad for emergency drivers here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02Ak1eIyj3M

Queen_Combat
Jan 15, 2011

CharlieWhiskey posted:

Also, why are EMTs paying attention to who is following and not treating the person in critical condition in front of them?
It's an EMT that is driving, too, and he sometimes has to do multiple things.

Let's list them:

Drive (this is important)
Change the siren (actually takes concentration)
(Possibly) call the hospital for the medic (medic could have hands full)
Operate radio (including reporting any wake accidents that occur)

Add to that:

Drive so the panicking family member following doesn't rear end you, or get caught in cross traffic when we pass a red light, or get in a front end collision when we drive the wrong way down a lane (when there's a median, we cross over into oncoming lanes, because oncoming traffic can still move out of the way vs stopped traffic caught by a median), etc.

NO SIGUEN LA AMBULANCIA

Queen_Combat fucked around with this message at 18:41 on Apr 3, 2016

PCOS Bill
May 12, 2013

by FactsAreUseless
Follow the ambulance?

Queen_Combat
Jan 15, 2011

PCOS Bill posted:

no Follow the ambulance.

sleepy.eyes
Sep 14, 2007

Like a pig in a chute.
Following the ambulance is only an issue if people actually get out of the loving way. I live pretty close to a hospital and see way too many people who will not move over the slightest bit to let one by.

e: I understand following is a no-no. I was pointing out that no one can follow an ambulance that is stuck in traffic because people won't move over for it.

sleepy.eyes fucked around with this message at 19:26 on Apr 3, 2016

Queen_Combat
Jan 15, 2011
ITT: people who think it's okay to follow the ambulance.


It is never, under any circumstance, okay to follow the ambulance. You gain nothing from it, so why are you people arguing for it? Don't do it

xzzy
Mar 5, 2009

Geirskogul posted:

It is never, under any circumstance, okay to follow the ambulance. You gain nothing from it, so why are you people arguing for it? Don't do it

Well you do, but it's completely pointless. You might get some free green lights and get to your destination a few seconds earlier!

Cage
Jul 17, 2003
www.revivethedrive.org
Следуйте скорой помощи

Krakkles
May 5, 2003

Geirskogul posted:

ITT: people who think it's okay to follow the ambulance.


It is never, under any circumstance, okay to follow the ambulance. You gain nothing from it, so why are you people arguing for it? Don't do it
Because a significant number of the people who post in this thread are very much the subject of this thread. Don't be surprised by it, there's nothing you can say to them to make them realize it.

xzzy
Mar 5, 2009

Good job, don't ever give up an opportunity to grind that axe a little more.

Literally Lewis Hamilton
Feb 22, 2005



SneakyFrog posted:

seriously watch how traffic splits like moses in germany.. i feel bad for emergency drivers here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02Ak1eIyj3M

I see this and wonder if I'm as good a driver as Germany as a whole but probably not

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

I Want To Believe.

Geirskogul posted:

ITT: people who think it's okay to follow the ambulance.


It is never, under any circumstance, okay to follow the ambulance. You gain nothing from it, so why are you people arguing for it? Don't do it
Stop getting mardy with us about it. Drive faster and it won't be an issue.

Krakkles posted:

Because a significant number of the people who post in this thread are very much the subject of this thread. Don't be surprised by it, there's nothing you can say to them to make them realize it.
Actually, it's because we're taking the piss and trying to wind him up, but don't let that stop you.

huge pile of hamburger
Nov 4, 2009

Geirskogul posted:

DO NOT FOLLOW THE AMBULANCE

Maybe you don't want to be there if your family member dies, but I would.

huge pile of hamburger fucked around with this message at 19:44 on Apr 3, 2016

Deedle
Oct 17, 2011
before you ask, yes I did inform the DMV of my condition and medication, and I passed the medical and psychological evaluation when I got my license. I've passed them every time I have gone to renew my license.

KozmoNaut posted:

Doesn't work that way here, it's never legal. Not even for the family of an expectant mother or something. Proper emergency vehicles only*.

Also, I saw the same car sitting at a red light 2 minutes later, with the ambulance nowhere to be seen.

E: *Actually that's not strictly true. You can do an emergency transport using a civilian vehicle, in the case of things like severely injured persons or women in labor, where an ambulance would take too long to respond, and only if it's a life or death situation.

You have to call and advise the police before setting off or immediately after getting to the hospital, you must affix a white cloth of some kind as high up on your vehicle as possible, and you should drive with your hazards on. This does allow you to break the speed limit, but you still have to take other traffic into account. I have never actually seen anyone do this in real life, it's extremely rare.
It's never legal here. Though if you can prove that there was an actual emergency, the cops will generally be lenient and not issue tickets.

Then again the odds that you can get to the ER before an EMT can get to you are trivial here.
I live in a city with about 375k pop in the agglomeration. There are two regular and an academic hospital in the city proper. There is one in the next city over in either cardinal direction, so it is physically almost impossible to be more than 15km away from the nearest ER.
Add strategic parking by ambulances and the posting of motorcycle EMTs at places like police stations and fire houses. And it becomes really unlikely that an EMT will need more than 5 minutes to get to you.

Trying to get through traffic to the ER in that time is pointless, dangerous and illegal.

Absolute worst case scenario 112 will tell you to start driving and they will send motorcycle cops to rendezvous and escort you to the ER.

The only impractical thing that might happen is that a German ambulance or lifeliner shows up because they were closest.
But who cares? The important thing is the EMTs are there, whether or not they speak fluent Dutch.

Karma Monkey
Sep 6, 2005

I MAKE BAD POSTING DECISIONS

Bovril Delight posted:

I see this and wonder if I'm as good a driver as Germany as a whole but probably not

I also love that Germans will move over for faster cars on the highway if the car flashes its lights as it nears. loving U.S. drivers are generally too oblivious to even see the line of cars that they're holding up because they want to do 10 under the speed limit in the passing lane. The signs say "SLOWER TRAFFIC KEEP RIGHT" Move the gently caress over! :argh:

Also, WTF is happening in this video? Is this driver really just loving with an ambulance?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thw15NN3cUU

Queen_Combat
Jan 15, 2011

InitialDave posted:



Actually, it's because we're taking the piss and trying to wind him up, but don't let that stop you.
And maybe someone reading this thread will change their behavior, so I'm more than happy to educate.

Safety Dance
Sep 10, 2007

Five degrees to starboard!

Speaking of being behind an ambulance, is there a name for the device that makes an ambulance's brake lights flash once really quickly before staying lit when an ambulance is braking?

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

I Want To Believe.

Safety Dance posted:

Speaking of being behind an ambulance, is there a name for the device that makes an ambulance's brake lights flash once really quickly before staying lit when an ambulance is braking?
Was this a fairly new vehicle?

Quite a few cars now have a feature where the brake lights will flash under hard braking, maybe they tap into that?

PenisMonkey
Apr 30, 2004

Be gentally.
Enjoy a little clip from my morning drive to work. NSFW language blah blah.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFBc3bkLV_Q

NonzeroCircle
Apr 12, 2010

El Camino
Germany's time-sensitive speed limits by major on/offramps are also great, slow down when its rush hour so traffic keeps flowing, back to fast as you want the rest of the time.

And Germans understand how to zipper merge. And areas where trucks can't overtake.

The autobahn was scary as poo poo sometimes (always due to non-German drivers) but on the whole it works beautifully. Got to max out the GF's Mini too.

MrOnBicycle
Jan 18, 2008
Wait wat?

NonzeroCircle posted:

Germany's time-sensitive speed limits by major on/offramps are also great, slow down when its rush hour so traffic keeps flowing, back to fast as you want the rest of the time.

And Germans understand how to zipper merge. And areas where trucks can't overtake.

The autobahn was scary as poo poo sometimes (always due to non-German drivers) but on the whole it works beautifully. Got to max out the GF's Mini too.

When I drove through Germany, the only time someone did something really retarded and dangerous for me was a Belgian that went out in the leftmost lane without looking in the mirrors. Had to brake hard and went from 180km/h to 120km/h in an instant. Wasn't that bad really. At least I found out that my car is really stable under hard braking at high speed.

Uthor
Jul 9, 2006

Gummy Bear Heaven ... It's where I go when the world is too mean.

Safety Dance posted:

Speaking of being behind an ambulance, is there a name for the device that makes an ambulance's brake lights flash once really quickly before staying lit when an ambulance is braking?

Brake Light Flasher or something similar. They make modules your wire in line with your brake lights. Fairly popular with motorcyclists.

Example:

Krator® BRAKE LIGHT FLASHER LAMP MODULE FLASHER CAR TRUCK MOTORCYCLE SCOOTER REARALERT https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0036RFLR6/ref=cm_sw_r_other_awd_5ryaxbDVR75VH

Proud Christian Mom
Dec 20, 2006
READING COMPREHENSION IS HARD
last year a guy got into a wreck while driving like an idiot to go see their sister who was dying on the side of the road because driving like an idiot ran in the family.

don't be those people.

NonzeroCircle
Apr 12, 2010

El Camino
Dutch lorry drivers, whether on the autobahn or here in England, seem to be totally homicidal. Odds are if I'm nearly crushed by a truck its normally a Dutch one for some reason.

I like how as you go further East into Europe traffic laws become more like loose guidelines. Drive on the right if you feel like it, speed limits are there to be doubled, red lights are purely decorative. If you want a GTA experience, get a taxi in Hungary.

Deedle
Oct 17, 2011
before you ask, yes I did inform the DMV of my condition and medication, and I passed the medical and psychological evaluation when I got my license. I've passed them every time I have gone to renew my license.
Oh I often enough agree with our neighbours to the east that NL on our plates far too often means Nur Links.

HGV drivers here tend to ignore no-overtaking signs. Despite the fact that whenever you need to go at 83 khp, you aren't going to get there any faster than if you're going 82.5 kph.

The rest of us will get places faster going 130 rather than 83...

Michael Scott
Jan 3, 2010

by zen death robot

PCOS Bill posted:

Actually if my wife is dying in your ambulance, and I'm not in it with her, I'll probably be beating you there, breaking every traffic law, and a bunch they didn't even think of.

It sounds cool to say but I don't know if you'd want to screw up your life even more with a reckless driving misdemeanor.

InitialDave posted:

Was this a fairly new vehicle?

Quite a few cars now have a feature where the brake lights will flash under hard braking, maybe they tap into that?

Some cars have this for non-hard braking as well. I think every new-ish Hyundai I have seen does this, the 3rd brake light will flash maybe 4 times in a second before staying lit once the brake pedal is pressed. It's really effective at waking up the lizard brain on long stretches of highway.

Also cop car lightbars do that as well.

Michael Scott fucked around with this message at 00:48 on Apr 4, 2016

bizwank
Oct 4, 2002

B4Ctom1 posted:

Speaking of people you share the road with..

Get ready for some heart racing, cringeworthy driving, that looks like something out of a modern day version of the movie Bullitt (1968).. with sirens.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a9e_1459608103
That happened almost two years ago, and as a Seattle native, she took a really poo poo route trying to get from Queen Anne to SODO at rush hour. Also, there was a second SPD car involved in an accident trying to get to that very same "officer needs assistance" call: http://www.capitolhillseattle.com/2014/06/east-precinct-officers-injured-in-squad-car-collision-at-12thspruce/

NoWake
Dec 28, 2008

College Slice
Back when I drove tour buses, there would be some trips where a few people would follow the bus in a car or a van. Invariably they would tailgate the poo poo out of me. They would follow every move and lane change I made, to the point where they'd severely cut off the semi or car I'd just passed when I got back into the right lane. I did get one of my tails stuck in an EZ-Pass Only lane near the Ohio/PA border, of course they didn't have a transponder and got stuck behind the gate.

atomicthumbs
Dec 26, 2010


We're in the business of extending man's senses.
when my dad fell off the roof and broke several ribs and his collarbone and punctured his lung, and crawled around the house into the kitchen to call me and ask for a ride to the hospital, I broke many laws on the way to his house, but I sure as hell didn't follow the ambulance

Foxtrot_13
Oct 31, 2013
Ask me about my love of genocide denial!

NonzeroCircle posted:

Germany's time-sensitive speed limits by major on/offramps are also great, slow down when its rush hour so traffic keeps flowing, back to fast as you want the rest of the time.

And Germans understand how to zipper merge. And areas where trucks can't overtake.

The autobahn was scary as poo poo sometimes (always due to non-German drivers) but on the whole it works beautifully. Got to max out the GF's Mini too.

If there is one thing Germans enjoy more than following rules is watching other people get punished for not following the rules.

The German tax office has the busiest tip phone line in Europe by a large margin. It's got to the point that Germans who buy new cars have the spec badges removed so the busybody down the street doesn't shop them to the tax man for having too much money.

Deeters
Aug 21, 2007


Today has been kind of windy, and I saw a guy standing in the median (of a 6 lane road) lose something in the wind. He started stepping into the road to get it, so I changed lanes, the black thing kept blowing into my lane. When I was about to hit it, I realized it was an empty plastic bag. Good job trying to prevent litter by walking into 40+ mph traffic though.

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CharlieWhiskey
Aug 18, 2005

everything, all the time

this is the world

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