UKMT April 2016: David Cameron's P19 Form

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Fans: Jun 27, 2013; A reptile dysfunction

Oh right! Yeah I guess that's going to be a mess for a while, a day off to do a big thing at Glastonbury won't hurt.

Heck he can bash them while there, the press is more likely to cover it.

Edit: Did you know it's ILLEGAL to use a legal name? It is. Because the Goverment made a document about you without telling you, it's not legal. I mean unless they made it with your legal guardians but what's the odds they did that? ZERO. I ASSUME.

Fans fucked around with this message at 10:32 on Apr 4, 2016

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Jippa: Feb 13, 2009

He can wear some extra baggy trousers that day.

# ? Apr 4, 2016 10:28

Lord of the Llamas: Jul 9, 2002; EULER'VE TO SEE IT VENN SOMEONE CALLS IT THE WRONG THING AND PROVOKES MY WRATH

Quote-Unquote posted:

There's a billboard on my way to work that just appeared the other day with the words 'THE TRUTH' and 'It's illegal to use a legal name'.

A quick Google shows that this is the catchphrase of some idiot libertarian/sovereign citizen types that reckon we all have names on our birth certificates that are the property of the crown, and because we register to vote with our 'legal names' means all voting is fraudulent so there is no legitimate government anywhere in the world.

Is this a new thing that lolbertarians are bleeding into the real world and aren't just confined to the internet? Never encountered this sort of insanity in the wild before.

This doesn't make any sense whatsoever?

# ? Apr 4, 2016 10:29

Barry Foster: Dec 24, 2007; What is going wrong with that one (face is longer than it should be)

Lord of the Llamas posted:

This doesn't make any sense whatsoever?

Sovereign citizens are often mentally unwell.

# ? Apr 4, 2016 10:36

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998; Toilet Rascal

Lord of the Llamas posted:

This doesn't make any sense whatsoever?

Governments are like dragons, they stop existing if people stop believing in them.

Sovereign Citizens are people who, having correctly identified that something they don't like is a social construct, and having figured that you can change social constructs just by changing minds, resolve to combat it using One Weird Trick. These Tricks are usually really loving Weird.

# ? Apr 4, 2016 10:36

Fans: Jun 27, 2013; A reptile dysfunction

Lord of the Llamas posted:

This doesn't make any sense whatsoever?

It actually makes less sense when explained.

See your LEGAL NAME is a title made by the government when you're born that just happens to be the same as your real name and entered into the birth register, which is under Crown Copyright. This the government therefore owns your LEGAL NAME bit it's not actually you, because you never gave them permission to make this LEGAL NAME identity. Also since it's copyrighted it's Fraud for you to even use it, because you don't own the LEGAL NAME. Therefore all documents using it are null and void.

This doesn't actually work because it's stupid.

# ? Apr 4, 2016 10:39

Quote-Unquote: Oct 22, 2002

Lord of the Llamas posted:

This doesn't make any sense whatsoever?

Yeah I'm just surprised because I've never seen the "BERTH certificate signed by the DOCK" type things outside of the internet before, let alone a large billboard at the side of a busy road.

I like that the poster doesn't have any further information on it, like a web address or anything, so people are looking at it and just being completely baffled.

# ? Apr 4, 2016 10:40

awesome-express: Dec 30, 2008

Fans posted:

It actually makes less sense when explained.

See your LEGAL NAME is a title made by the government when you're born that just happens to be the same as your real name and entered into the birth register, which is under Crown Copyright. This the government therefore owns your LEGAL NAME bit it's not actually you, because you never gave them permission to make this LEGAL NAME identity. Also since it's copyrighted it's Fraud for you to even use it, because you don't own the LEGAL NAME. Therefore all documents using it are null and void.

This doesn't actually work because it's stupid.

Is this some freeman of the land type poo poo?

# ? Apr 4, 2016 10:41

Quote-Unquote: Oct 22, 2002

awesome-express posted:

Is this some freeman of the land type poo poo?

Yes. It involves using magic words to absolve yourself of any legal consequences for your actions, because while you acknowledge that the law exists and you are able to COMPREHEND it, you do not UNDERSTAND it. Because UNDERSTAND means to 'STAND UNDER' which means you consent to having the law applied to you. Then the judge immediately bangs a gavel and is forced to dismiss all charges because you invoked the magic spell.

# ? Apr 4, 2016 10:44

Tesseraction: Apr 5, 2009

It's amazing that freemen on the land / sovereign citizens are universally so obnoxious that I end up rooting for the copper giving them a taste of the volts. ACAB with schadenfreude characteristics.

# ? Apr 4, 2016 10:45

Zephro: Nov 23, 2000; I suppose I could part with one and still be feared...

Tesseraction posted:

Also here is a Very Serious Person worrying that the pro-Remain side may suffer from the same problem the GE had with Miliband being close in the polls - that younger voters say they're definitely going to vote but then end up doing whatever it is yoofs these days do, smoking weed or buttchugging vodka or something, instead of voting.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/apr/03/younger-voters-eu-referendum-turnout-poll-brexit

It's a reasonable fear. The young don't vote in anything like the numbers of the old so if you're relying on them in an election you need to discount appropriately

# ? Apr 4, 2016 10:47

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998; Toilet Rascal

Fans posted:

It actually makes less sense when explained.

See your LEGAL NAME is a title made by the government when you're born that just happens to be the same as your real name and entered into the birth register, which is under Crown Copyright. This the government therefore owns your LEGAL NAME bit it's not actually you, because you never gave them permission to make this LEGAL NAME identity. Also since it's copyrighted it's Fraud for you to even use it, because you don't own the LEGAL NAME. Therefore all documents using it are null and void.

This doesn't actually work because it's stupid.

It especially doesn't work in the UK where names are governed by English common law. You don't even need a registered deed of your name, a witnessed stock document in your own possession is sufficient, registered or not, as long as you're not changing your name to commit fraud or other impersonation. It gets a bit more complex if you're standing for public election or some court positions, but as Sovereign Citizens believe all of those are fraudulent anyway they can go right ahead and change their name legally to PAUL COLON SPACE HYPHEN SPACE JONES BRACKET NOT A BOTE CLOSE BRACKET if they want, it's 5 minutes work and a single side of paper.

# ? Apr 4, 2016 10:47

Fans: Jun 27, 2013; A reptile dysfunction

awesome-express posted:

Is this some freeman of the land type poo poo?

It's mainly used as a way to say how you can get out of debt. The equivalent of going "But I signed the contract Micky Mouse your honor, that is not my real name" except instead of Micky Mouse you signed with your actual name, but it wasn't your ACTUAL name you see, because your Legal Name is not your actual name due to reasons.

# ? Apr 4, 2016 10:48

Cerv: Sep 14, 2004; This is a silly post with little news value.

Fans posted:

Not really? Expecting "Out" to win would be naively optimistic as it has seemingly everything going against it. No major party supports it, it has trouble breaking past "Stay" even in the more favorable Online polls and the betting sites have lousy odds on it.

It's not a close race, despite the press wanting to pretend it is.

Tesseraction's right. I meant the optimistic about the aftermath of a yes vote being smooth.
Probably could've written that post better. If is bothered with more than 4 words

# ? Apr 4, 2016 10:51

Tesseraction: Apr 5, 2009

Zephro posted:

It's a reasonable fear. The young don't vote in anything like the numbers of the old so if you're relying on them in an election you need to discount appropriately

Oh definitely, but the guy who wrote the article is one of the CORBYN UNELECTABLE WE NEED BLAIR BACK types. He occasionally writes sensible articles like this one, but by and large I find him a bit of a knob.

# ? Apr 4, 2016 10:53

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998; Toilet Rascal

awesome-express posted:

Is this some freeman of the land type poo poo?

Related, Jeremy Corbyn's facebook page posted this yesterday:

On the surface, that's some freeman on the land level poo poo, but because nearly everything in politics and law is a social construct, sometimes stunts like that can work, not in the immediate term, but in the long term because they make people think.

That's the most charitable reading that I can give to a lot of that stuff.

On the other end of the scale, some of it is just a cynical scam perpetuated on people who are genuinely being hosed over by the system by selling them a 900 page 'legal' pack filled with a lot of boat references that will claim to rid them of fines or unpayable debt.

# ? Apr 4, 2016 11:00

Lunar Suite: Jun 5, 2011; If you love a flower which happens to be on a star, it is sweet at night to gaze at the sky. All the stars are a riot of flowers.

Quote-Unquote posted:

There's a billboard on my way to work that just appeared the other day with the words 'THE TRUTH' and 'It's illegal to use a legal name'.

A quick Google shows that this is the catchphrase of some idiot libertarian/sovereign citizen types that reckon we all have names on our birth certificates that are the property of the crown, and because we register to vote with our 'legal names' means all voting is fraudulent so there is no legitimate government anywhere in the world.

Is this a new thing that lolbertarians are bleeding into the real world and aren't just confined to the internet? Never encountered this sort of insanity in the wild before.

Thanks for saving me a google search, I was wondering what the hell was up with that. I saw one in Manc.

# ? Apr 4, 2016 11:02

Doctor_Fruitbat: Jun 2, 2013

Freemen of the land seem wholly unable to understand that the government is this gigantic behemoth that can force you to comply regardless of your rules lawyering.

Which is why they keep getting tasered.

# ? Apr 4, 2016 11:03

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998; Toilet Rascal

I think the idea is that if enough people stop being a part of that behemoth then it would lose that ability. It's the civil version of "what if they had a war but nobody showed up?" in that it might be a nice idea but it'd probably lead to something worse.

# ? Apr 4, 2016 11:06

Regarde Aduck: Oct 19, 2012; c l o u d k i t t e n; Grimey Drawer

I notice the BBC omitting anything about Cameron's dad in their Panama papers story. LOOK! Iceland guy! And Putin! WOW! How about the father of the current Prime minister? I think that counts as news.

# ? Apr 4, 2016 11:12

madey: Sep 17, 2007; I saved the Olympics singlehandedly

I like those legal name fraud posters they reinforce the fact that I'm living in a They Live sequel.

# ? Apr 4, 2016 11:17

Tesseraction: Apr 5, 2009

Regarde Aduck posted:

I notice the BBC omitting anything about Cameron's dad in their Panama papers story. LOOK! Iceland guy! And Putin! WOW! How about the father of the current Prime minister? I think that counts as news.

Only the mass-unread Independent is leading on it http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/david-cameron-father-and-senior-tory-figures-named-in-panama-papers-leak-a6967116.html

# ? Apr 4, 2016 11:27

Cerv: Sep 14, 2004; This is a silly post with little news value.

Standard & Poor's "likely" to lower the UK's AAA credit rating in response to a No vote.
http://www.politico.eu/article/opinion-brexit-puts-uks-aaa-rating-at-risk-says-sp-ratings-chief/

But I don't think anyone on the 3 leave campaigns will be bothered.

# ? Apr 4, 2016 12:02

suck my woke dick: Oct 10, 2012; I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!

Put this cum-loving slave on ignore immediately!

Cerv posted:

Standard & Poor's "likely" to lower the UK's AAA credit rating in response to a No vote.
http://www.politico.eu/article/opinion-brexit-puts-uks-aaa-rating-at-risk-says-sp-ratings-chief/

But I don't think anyone on the 3 leave campaigns will be bothered.

Yeah because people voting Leave aren't actually concerned about whether the UK will end up having a higher GDP or even the average ~~Joe~~ John getting a higher average salary. It's all about sticking it to the man :bahgawd:

# ? Apr 4, 2016 12:05

hookerbot 5000: Dec 21, 2009

Number 10 have responded to queries about whether Camerons family money is in a tax haven by saying 'it's a private matter.'

# ? Apr 4, 2016 12:12

Zephro: Nov 23, 2000; I suppose I could part with one and still be feared...

hookerbot 5000 posted:

Number 10 have responded to queries about whether Camerons family money is in a tax haven by saying 'it's a private matter.'

I'll be sure to use this line next time HMRC send me a letter.

edit: also it means the answer is "yes" because they would have a lot to gain politically if they could simply say "no" and have it be true.

# ? Apr 4, 2016 12:13

suck my woke dick: Oct 10, 2012; I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!

Put this cum-loving slave on ignore immediately!

~~Burn baby burn~~ Get charged pigfucker get charged.

# ? Apr 4, 2016 12:19

communism bitch: Apr 24, 2009

Quote-Unquote posted:

There's a billboard on my way to work that just appeared the other day with the words 'THE TRUTH' and 'It's illegal to use a legal name'.

Saw one of these at Dover on Saturday but didn't pay much attention what with everything else going on. Had forgotten all about it till seeing your post tbh.

I wonder if they paid for the advertising space in buttcoins

# ? Apr 4, 2016 12:22

hookerbot 5000: Dec 21, 2009

I'm sure it'll turn out not to be illegal, presumably because the person who could introduce laws to make tax avoidance illegal is doing it himself. It's a shame the same rules don't apply on things that affect the 99% of the country that aren't stupidly rich (like drug laws for example).

# ? Apr 4, 2016 12:23

Barry Foster: Dec 24, 2007; What is going wrong with that one (face is longer than it should be)

blowfish posted:

~~Burn baby burn~~ Get charged pigfucker get charged.

Never gonna happen.

# ? Apr 4, 2016 12:27

Quote-Unquote: Oct 22, 2002

Oberleutnant posted:

Saw one of these at Dover on Saturday but didn't pay much attention what with everything else going on. Had forgotten all about it till seeing your post tbh.

I wonder if they paid for the advertising space in buttcoins

they probably paid someone in buttcoins who then paid the owner of the advertising space in real money, because literally no legitimate business accepts butts.

# ? Apr 4, 2016 12:28

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998; Toilet Rascal

CeX does. Although I imagine they immediately sell them and do their accounts in sterling because lol otherwise.

# ? Apr 4, 2016 12:28

Quote-Unquote: Oct 22, 2002

Guavanaut posted:

CeX does. Although I imagine they immediately sell them and do their accounts in sterling because lol otherwise.

Nah, CeX use Coinbase same as everyone else. Butts go in, money comes out. They don't touch the poop.

# ? Apr 4, 2016 12:34

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998; Toilet Rascal

I thought you were able to trade things in for bitcoin there instead of cash or store credit too, if you wanted to do such a thing. Or does Coinbase allow you to do that?

# ? Apr 4, 2016 12:44

StoneOfShame: Jul 28, 2013; This is the best kitchen ever.

Jedit posted:

Hmmm?

Shane McMahon came back to jump off a fifteen foot structure for no reason.

# ? Apr 4, 2016 12:46

Microplastics: Jul 6, 2007; It's what's for dinner.

Quote-Unquote posted:

Butts go in, money comes out.

Sounds like a euphemism for "Tories get into government"

# ? Apr 4, 2016 12:49

kapparomeo: Apr 19, 2011; Some say his extreme-right links are clearly known, even in the fascist capitalist imperialist Murdochist press...

Regarde Aduck posted:

I notice the BBC omitting anything about Cameron's dad in their Panama papers story. LOOK! Iceland guy! And Putin! WOW! How about the father of the current Prime minister? I think that counts as news.

If the Grauniad had any actual dirt on Cameron himself I'm pretty sure they would have led with it instead of having to make do with innuendo from someone who's been dead for six years.

kapparomeo fucked around with this message at 12:58 on Apr 4, 2016

# ? Apr 4, 2016 12:55

Spangly A: May 14, 2009; God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

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Guavanaut posted:

I thought you were able to trade things in for bitcoin there instead of cash or store credit too, if you wanted to do such a thing. Or does Coinbase allow you to do that?

wouldn't that be money laundering?

I mean what you've described is literally trading old games/phones/stolen goods for an untraceable currency held offshore, but I don't know if the British courts have bothered to figure out if Bitcoin is actually a currency. The yanks certainly consider this money laundering.

# ? Apr 4, 2016 12:58

Noxville: Dec 7, 2003

http://www.theguardian.com/news/2016/apr/04/panama-papers-david-cameron-father-tax-bahamas

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communism bitch: Apr 24, 2009

Noxville posted:

http://www.theguardian.com/news/2016/apr/04/panama-papers-david-cameron-father-tax-bahamas

quote:

Asked if there was still any family money invested in the fund, she said: �That is a private matter.� She said the prime minister had �taken a range of action to tackle evasion and aggressive tax avoidance�.

....by other people yeah

# ? Apr 4, 2016 13:05

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