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jassi007 posted:When you say combo, do you mean a type of instant win combo that there are additional cards involved? or do you mean "these two cards that combine to become a grindy attrition engine that gets wrecked by abrupt decay instantly." If the latter I'm pretty sure Infect is the better combo  that said i'm hoping thopter sword ends up good b/c i don't have jund money and tron is largely dead now
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Apr 4, 2016 16:39
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Jenx posted:See, I figured it's probably cardmarket stuff, but that still begs the question - how do you generally go about it? Like, if you have an Abrupt Decay that's excellent condition and in english you just search for the lowest offer on there meeting that criteria and go with that? The few times I've done it, I check the lowest, barring any outliers. So if there are a bunch of Bobs at 30, and one at 28, 30 is what I'd call it.
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Apr 4, 2016 16:41
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Thopter/Sword could be a good fit in a Grixis shell. Also, what decks actually want Ancestral Vision, other than whatever deck Thopter/Sword ends up in? U/W control I guess, if that continues to be a thing.
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Apr 4, 2016 16:43
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Sickening posted:Does thopter foundry/sword of the meek fit in a bad faeries deck? Damnation instead of wrath. Not really because the combo doesn't really have synergy with the rest of the deck. the old extended lists could take advantage of synergy with explosives, ruins, tezzeret, and thirst at which point there isn't really a faeries deck left.
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Apr 4, 2016 16:43
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Count Bleck posted:We should start figuring out how we're going to play Thopter Sword, and in what colors. I'm going to start with esper. Black gives you Inquisition/thoughtseize, surgical/split second surgical, executioner's capsule, liliana Edit: I'm also going to play thirst for knowledge over ancestral vision.
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Apr 4, 2016 16:43
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Molybdenum posted:I'm going to start with esper. Black gives you Inquisition/thoughtseize, surgical/split second surgical, executioner's capsule, liliana Please don't remind me that those cards all exist, thanks. 
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Apr 4, 2016 16:45
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Sickening posted:I thought the sarcasm was obvious but goons say things like this. Yep, I didn't notice any sarcasm or humor.  I don't follow MtG social media very closely so it's possible I don't know an in-joke or something.This BR update is awesome! I'm excited to see if Thopter Sword is good enough to enable control. Also for the person who asked, Lodestone Golem is the second creature restricted in Vintage. Ali from Cairo was the first. However AFC was restricted at the start of the format, so this is the first time the BR update has been used to add a creature. Rukh Egg was also restricted back when it was just Magic before types one and two.
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Apr 4, 2016 16:48
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Hahahaha the cheapest Sword of the Meek on TCGPlayer is $22 Good B&R update, still gently caress modern. Edit: Thopter Foundry remains $0.25 why, Magic players, why
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Apr 4, 2016 16:56
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Good B&R update, although I wish I had picked up a few Visions now. I've been tinkering with a casual Gifts Loam deck recently, and I can't wait to throw a copy of Sword/Foundry into the deck to have even more durdly 2-card interactions.
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Apr 4, 2016 16:57
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stinkles1112 posted:Hahahaha the cheapest Sword of the Meek on TCGPlayer is $22 Dont' be mad at people buying up sword of the meek, be disgusted at the folks who are trying to buy up all the thopter foundries. The dumb things people will do for the smallest of margins. Idiots. Also, it appears that SCG had been upping their buylist of Ancestral Vision the past few weeks. Its good to have the inside track. Sickening fucked around with this message at 17:03 on Apr 4, 2016 |
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Apr 4, 2016 16:58
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stinkles1112 posted:Edit: Thopter Foundry remains $0.25 why, Magic players, why It was reprinted in a 2013(?) Commander deck IIRC
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Apr 4, 2016 17:00
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UberJew posted:If the latter I'm pretty sure Infect is the better combo This is super funny because the prices of a UB or UW or Esper is going to be crazy expensive. I'd guess right now that the deck is at least $1200 with shocks, fetches, planeswalkers, cryptics, remands, etc. If it runs liliana thoughtseize inquisition cryptic it'll be close to Jund priced.
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Apr 4, 2016 17:05
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Molybdenum posted:Welding Jar and academy ruins both get the foundry back and you've still got the blockers. Jund runs scooze. Good luck getting that sword back from your GY.
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Apr 4, 2016 17:07
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Glad I've had my mana base for Esper Mill for a couple years now!  In all seriousness though I think it's interesting to note that the ban list actually got smaller with this update. How often does that happen?
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Apr 4, 2016 17:09
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Sickening posted:Dont' be mad at people buying up sword of the meek, be disgusted at the folks who are trying to buy up all the thopter foundries. The dumb things people will do for the smallest of margins. I'm mostly butthurt because Thopter tokens are the best thing ever included in the game of magic the gathering and this getting unbanned really really makes me want to break into modern for the first time but I'll be goddamned if I'm spending 1000 dollars or whatever to play a tier 2 combo deck. I'm really, really kicking myself for selling off my old fetches and shocks years ago 
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Apr 4, 2016 17:09
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jassi007 posted:This is super funny because the prices of a UB or UW or Esper is going to be crazy expensive. I'd guess right now that the deck is at least $1200 with shocks, fetches, planeswalkers, cryptics, remands, etc. If it runs liliana thoughtseize inquisition cryptic it'll be close to Jund priced. ah but you see, i already have shocks, fetches, cryptics and remands while i do not have tarmogoyfs
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Apr 4, 2016 17:11
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Gonna recommend people look at Shouta Yasooka's (that's the spelling, right?) UB Tezzeret deck from a GP 2 or so years ago to get an idea of what the deck will probably look like
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Apr 4, 2016 17:11
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This is like when Bitterblossom got unbanned but it's dumber because this is an uncommon that's been reprinted
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Apr 4, 2016 17:28
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GonSmithe posted:This is like when Bitterblossom got unbanned but it's dumber because this is an uncommon that's been reprinted But Sword of the Meek has never been reprinted?
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Apr 4, 2016 17:35
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GonSmithe posted:This is like when Bitterblossom got unbanned but it's dumber because this is an uncommon that's been reprinted Yep. Knew Eye as going the axe and it was the right card to ban, but it still sucks. 
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Apr 4, 2016 17:39
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Sword of the Meek is 25-30 now 
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Apr 4, 2016 17:44
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Attorney at Funk posted:Lodestone Golem is now the only creature on the Vintage Restricted List. Has there ever been a creature on there before? Ali from Cairo for one. There's another that I forget. Sickening posted:Also, it appears that SCG had been upping their buylist of Ancestral Vision the past few weeks. Its good to have the inside track. Or to have a modicum of intelligence so you could figure out that this was coming. jassi007 posted:Jund runs scooze. Good luck getting that sword back from your GY. And people are going to have to learn how the Thopter Sword combo works all over again! Or they'll keep saying things like this.  Well it looks like I'm done with this game. WotC is apparently ok with prison and combo being the only viable archetypes in modern, Storm being the only viable deck in vintage, and legacy has sucked for a while.
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Apr 4, 2016 17:44
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suicidesteve posted:
Can you elaborate for us dummies that never played Extended?
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Apr 4, 2016 17:47
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The few times I've played against it they've had multiple activations of Thopter Foundry ready to be put on the stack.
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Apr 4, 2016 17:49
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Cactrot posted:Can you elaborate for us dummies that never played Extended? You sac your Sword, they try to eat it with Scooze. In response you sac something else. Basically as long as you have spare mana and an artifact you don't need, you're fine. It's not going to beat them always holding up 3 green mana, but if they're doing that you're probably going to win regardless.
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Apr 4, 2016 17:50
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Thopter Sword was a combo founded on being incredibly resilient. Granted, in Extended it also had the Artifact Lands, but there's plenty of cheap Artifacts you can play in Modern. Like Opal, or Welding Jar, etc.
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Apr 4, 2016 17:52
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Count Bleck posted:Thopter Sword was a combo founded on being incredibly resilient. there's far more relevant disruption available now than there was then, as well i suspect jund will have enough abrupt decays and kolaghan's commands to have a very good game 1
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Apr 4, 2016 17:55
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Count Bleck posted:Thopter Sword was a combo founded on being incredibly resilient. And before Kolaghan's Command and Decay.
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Apr 4, 2016 17:56
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rest in peace is a card that shuts down the combo that didn't exist back then also stony silence
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Apr 4, 2016 17:56
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suicidesteve posted:
 suicidesteve posted:Well it looks like I'm done with this game. WotC is apparently ok with prison and combo being the only viable archetypes in modern, Storm being the only viable deck in vintage, and legacy has sucked for a while. I truly hope you are done with magic forever.
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Apr 4, 2016 17:56
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mcmagic posted:And before Kolaghan's Command and Decay. UberJew posted:there's far more relevant disruption available now than there was then, as well Yeah, there's a lot more "gently caress Artifact" spells in modern than there were when Extended existed. It'll probably shake the format up at least a little bit. Also, deck's fun as gently caress so who cares
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Apr 4, 2016 17:57
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Abrupt Decay and Kolaghan's Command don't hurt the deck too much since academy ruins is already a pretty key component.
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Apr 4, 2016 17:58
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Zoness posted:Abrupt Decay and Kolaghan's Command don't hurt the deck too much since academy ruins is already a pretty key component. I really don't wanna have to buy 3 more but I guess I don't have a choice.
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Apr 4, 2016 17:59
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Count Bleck posted:But Sword of the Meek has never been reprinted? My bad I thought it was in a Commander set.
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Apr 4, 2016 17:59
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Count Bleck posted:I really don't wanna have to buy 3 more but I guess I don't have a choice. 3 more of what? I hope you don't mean 3 more academy ruins. That seems like a bad move.
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Apr 4, 2016 18:01
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Zoness posted:rest in peace is a card that shuts down the combo that didn't exist back then Leylines of the void.
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Apr 4, 2016 18:01
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Sickening posted:Leylines of the void. at 4 cmc you'd be hard-pressed to get it out before they had it online and mulling for it against a deck that also had a tezzeret 1.0 + artifact engine seems like a bad plan.
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Apr 4, 2016 18:02
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Zoness posted:at 4 cmc you'd be hard-pressed to get it out before they had it online and mulling for it against a deck that also had a tezzeret 1.0 + artifact engine seems like a bad plan. Leyline of the void is already in the sideboard of a few decks for other graveyard based strategies and just like the other leyline cards, it has text I believe you totally skipped over. I am actually confused how someone could play modern and not know what leylines do that this point. Sickening fucked around with this message at 18:07 on Apr 4, 2016 |
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Apr 4, 2016 18:04
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Zoness posted:3 more of what? How does it get Ruins reliably then? Map? I'm guessing Map.
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