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8 track betamax posted:Just wanted to pop in to thank everyone who gave info on dosbox vs. Freedos in vm. Very interesting. Plus it led me to staying up most of night getting windows 3.1 installed in dosbox and also setting up some rad direct access dos menus with all my games in there.... Just like the old days. Don't forget your sound blaster 16 drivers for that authentic Windows experience http://www.classicdosgames.com/drivers.html
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There was some old psx game my cousin had, I can't remember the name of it. It was a sci fi 3/4 shooter, if I remember right you could visualize it almost like diablo with robots and guns. I think you got a melee attack too, with lots of blood when you bashed someone. Sprite-based I think. Anyone have any ideas?
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UIApplication posted:There was some old psx game my cousin had, I can't remember the name of it. It was a sci fi 3/4 shooter, if I remember right you could visualize it almost like diablo with robots and guns. I think you got a melee attack too, with lots of blood when you bashed someone. Sprite-based I think. Anyone have any ideas? Crusader: No Remorse / No Regret?
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theultimo posted:PlayStation underground was the poo poo! Hell they even hid demos with codes http://www.gamespot.com/articles/sony-warns-of-major-glitch-in-holiday-2004-demo-disc/1100-6113984/ They even screwed up memory cards, too.
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UIApplication posted:There was some old psx game my cousin had, I can't remember the name of it. It was a sci fi 3/4 shooter, if I remember right you could visualize it almost like diablo with robots and guns. I think you got a melee attack too, with lots of blood when you bashed someone. Sprite-based I think. Anyone have any ideas? Loaded, or the sequel Reloaded? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53VqRRn-a9I Project Overkill? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGJi5Na7I4E
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I dunno guys. You think you are so great at computers but I have you topped. I had an UltraWide SCSI chain with a Zip drive, external hard drive AND a scanner (at the end, because termination)...and I didn't bleed or sacrifice a small animal to make it work. I know, I know...sounds unbelievable. But it's true. I have witnesses. 
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Code Jockey posted:Crusader: No Remorse / No Regret? Amusingly enough I've found this while looking for it. Samuel L. ACKSYN posted:Project Overkill? YES! Thank you, I've tried hunting this down before to no avail.
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I could reminisce about PSX all day. How about the controllers without the analogue sticks. God they were woeful to hold after you had gotten used to its big brother. I haven't read the whole thread but I remember badly wanting one of those personal organisers with the full qwerty keyboard and Id finally be able to have all my friends ph numbers in one place! like all 3 of my grade 6 friends. Inbuilt calc and scheduler and a few other things. They weren't cheap either. I remember a decent one going for 120 at Dick Smith in 2002. I guess 2002 doesn;'t make it a 'relic' but it seems that way to me now. Also I paid hundreds of dollars to upgrade my 133mhz to a 166 to try and play TFC better but it didn't help very much 
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Nierbo posted:Badly wanting one of those personal organisers with the full qwerty keyboard....  Hello my PDA of 1998! These were a bit of a thing around the 90's as not everyone could afford a flashy Palm PDA with touch screen stylus so this was the bargain option. Granted there were beefier models with better calendar features and so on. And yes 32kb of space to stuff in your life! Though I'm guessing in 2002 you were buying one of the fancier touch screen stylus ones as these were pretty cheap. Oh and this  I wish I could find this again. It was a learning maths calculator that operated on the principle of flash cards. It was meant to check sums as opposed to calculating them for you. As an actual calculator it got a bit useless as it can't do negative numbers.
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8 track betamax posted:load windows from Norton commander Did NC have a menu for running How much of your precious 640Kish is taken up by NC when it's running another program? a happy snowman posted:I had an UltraWide SCSI chain with a Zip drive, external hard drive AND a scanner (at the end, because termination)...and I didn't bleed or sacrifice a small animal to make it work. Nice, how many kilobits per second was UW?  Was I alone in just having one SCSI device (a scanner in my case) but needing two cables, because I needed a cable to go to the terminator because I didn't have a terminator with the right connection on it? It was weird having to have this useless thing hanging off the back of my scanner 
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Nierbo posted:I could reminisce about PSX all day. How about the controllers without the analogue sticks. God they were woeful to hold after you had gotten used to its big brother. Uhh they were actually great for playing block games and animus because they didn't have a need for analogue control.
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I was given something like that in 1996 and it was my sneaky way of getting all the girls phone numbers in my class (I was 12). It was such a weird and cool tech that everyone in the class had a go at it. And later it was used to catalog all the Playboy and Penthouse magazines we found and ran a library of sorts charging everyone to rent them. Humphreys has a new favorite as of 08:28 on Apr 4, 2016 |
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SCSI was quite fast compared to IDE for a long time, but most of all with older systems the controllers would do most work by themselves and not gobble up already rare CPU cycles just for HDD I/O like with polled IDE. That was a big advantage performance-wise. My Amiga 2000 with 060 Accelerator+onboard SCSI-II controller manages ~8 mb/s with a good harddrive.  Sounds like a joke compared to what that thing once costed and what a chinese noname USB stick for $1 will manage nowadays, but for that system and it's OS ecosystem it is blisteringly fast and means basically a boot-up time measured in seconds and programs that'll load instantly the moment you click on them.I think most people joke about SCSI now or have flashbacks to Harddisks not working properly or losing data/hardware because the setup was a bit more difficult and not plug and play, you actually had to RTFM and that was always a problem for some and today it's somehow not OK to have to RTFM. I don't know why, but nowadays it seems to be cooler to be above this and to be completely oblivious to how things you use every day work. It's like taking pride in being ignorant. It's even a stance I personally see in people that are technical and have technical jobs and are supposed to know some things. It's kinda sad. Also lovely and cheap terminators which weren't what they claimed to be. Interesting thing about SCSI is that you could connect several controllers to the same bus, that means that you could share harddrives between computers, of course providing no two controllers tried to write to the same harddrive at the same time or were so cheap as to be hardwired to a specific ID. With the right software that could make a decent way to transfer data between systems when network cards were not that widespread and expensive.
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Speaking of amigas I pulled out my 600 and my cf died However it's the best investment anyone can make with an Amiga  This has every floppy to exist in image form, in which you can write to actual floppies. Also workbench 3.5
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CFs aren't too optimal for that kind of usage but decent enough for a slow A600. I'm using a Microdrive in mine, remember those kids? It's a tiny HD in CF-Card formfactor. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microdrive
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Augh those specs of dust all over it  For retro stuff, the Amiga does best with one or more cheap 4GB CF cards. If you try to use a larger one you have to be very careful when you set it up because the stock filesystem driver in the ROM will wrap around and corrupt the disk if it tries to write past the first 4GB
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I'm not up to what Amiga hardware costs nowadays with all those collectors, but honestly the best thing you can do for an Amiga (any computer of that vintage, also PCs etc.) is SCSI. It's faster, it usually doesn't have drive size limitations etc.. it just works better. You can get a modern ~2008 SCA SCSI server drive for next to nothing on eBay because People don't need them. Even though they might be 10k-15k RPM they're not much louder than the mechanical harddrive you're used to on your PC because they already have fluid dynamic bearings and with the kind of usage they'll see in your old system they'll live practically forever. SCSI is fully backwards compatible according to spec so you can connect such a 2008 drive to a 1991 controller and usually, it'll just work. (Addmitedly, sometimes it won't because the manufacturer did something funky in the HDs firmware but that's rare) You'll need an adapter though. With some computers (usually some 68k Macs) you have to be careful with the power consumption of a newer drive, it might be outside the budget of that computers power supply. Of course the A600 doesn't have a SCSI controller and I wouldn't know of a cheap way to get one, but y'know.
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Police Automaton posted:I'm not up to what Amiga hardware costs nowadays with all those collectors, but honestly the best thing you can do for an Amiga (any computer of that vintage, also PCs etc.) is SCSI. It's faster, it usually doesn't have drive size limitations etc.. it just works better. You can get a modern ~2008 SCA SCSI server drive for next to nothing on eBay because People don't need them. Even though they might be 10k-15k RPM they're not much louder than the mechanical harddrive you're used to on your PC because they already have fluid dynamic bearings and with the kind of usage they'll see in your old system they'll live practically forever. SCSI is fully backwards compatible according to spec so you can connect such a 2008 drive to a 1991 controller and usually, it'll just work. (Addmitedly, sometimes it won't because the manufacturer did something funky in the HDs firmware but that's rare) You'll need an adapter though. With some computers (usually some 68k Macs) you have to be careful with the power consumption of a newer drive, it might be outside the budget of that computers power supply. its has pcmcia though, you can easily add a SCSI pcmcia card
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I remember the Squirrel, but I also remember some talk about how the drivers were a mess? I don't know. Also not sure how easy it would be to locate such a 16-bit (has to be 16-bit, 32 bit PCMCIA won't work on the Amiga) SCSI card. Then I still don't know about the driver situation. A CF card on the internal IDE on the A600 is fine, it won't be your bottleneck at any rate. There are also DOM-Modules you can get cheaply from China that'll fit a bit better into the cramped case. For an Amiga you seriously wanted to use for work-related things (maybe pixel art? What other use could it have now?) I'd find an ethernet-PCMCIA card more interesting, although 16-bit PCMCIA ethernet cards are probably not easy to get. There might even be wireless cards though. For me the A600 and A1200 were huge disappointments and I replaced my A1200 with a 486 after a very short time. E: It's also funny how that port, as buggy as it is, is a lot more useful today than it ever was back then Police Automaton has a new favorite as of 09:51 on Apr 4, 2016 |
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Police Automaton posted:I'm not up to what Amiga hardware costs nowadays with all those collectors, but honestly the best thing you can do for an Amiga (any computer of that vintage, also PCs etc.) is SCSI. It's faster, it usually doesn't have drive size limitations etc.. it just works better. You can get a modern ~2008 SCA SCSI server drive for next to nothing on eBay because People don't need them. Even though they might be 10k-15k RPM they're not much louder than the mechanical harddrive you're used to on your PC because they already have fluid dynamic bearings and with the kind of usage they'll see in your old system they'll live practically forever. SCSI is fully backwards compatible according to spec so you can connect such a 2008 drive to a 1991 controller and usually, it'll just work. (Addmitedly, sometimes it won't because the manufacturer did something funky in the HDs firmware but that's rare) You'll need an adapter though. With some computers (usually some 68k Macs) you have to be careful with the power consumption of a newer drive, it might be outside the budget of that computers power supply. Argh no gently caress that noise (pun intended). My new-old server came with two 146GB 15k SAS drives and the whine was just enough to get past every other source of sound in the apartment and drive me crazy. For about a day, until I ripped them out and threw a couple of SSDs in there instead. If anyone wants the old drives, you can have them for postage from Japan
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Really? All my SCA (SCA, not SAS! SAS wouldn't do in such a scenario) do is the normal clicking which *maybe* is a bit louder to what you're used from modern drives, but not unpleasant at all. I guess some harddrives can really start to whine with age. Well, for anyone interested you should just try it out and see how it works for you. They're like, less than ten bucks. There's also 2,5" drives and they consume less power and are a bit more silent even, although be warned there, when I had problems getting them to run with old SCSI controllers it was usually such drives. E: Also while you're at it screwing with ancient SCSI technology of whatever type and origin, be always very careful not to mix single-ended and high voltage differential SCSI devices, that's one of the gotcha cases where you can really destroy hardware. E2: Another thing to consider - some Sever-grade U320 SCSI drives for example can get quite hot in operation, they're not always appropiate for some of the old and rather cramped computer cases. Although you'll never put them to much work if you hook them up to some ancient SCSI-2 controller. Police Automaton has a new favorite as of 13:22 on Apr 4, 2016 |
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Nierbo posted:That looks sweet actually.. I have this. It was pretty good. Played the FF8 mini-game on it. Basically a slightly more primitive Dreamcast VMU.
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I put a couple of 18gig SCA drives in my old Mac 7200 and holy Christ those things are loud. Cheap, yes. Fast, yes. But they'd drive me insane if I used the machine every day.
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JnnyThndrs posted:I put a couple of 18gig SCA drives in my old Mac 7200 and holy Christ those things are loud. Cheap, yes. Fast, yes. But they'd drive me insane if I used the machine every day. That's why they need to be fluid dynamic bearing drives. You can find such info in the datasheet of the drive. Older drives are in fact loud as hell. It's interesting actually that a whine was mentioned, when I think about it I remember reading about people complaining that their old drives with FDB developed a whine. I have a 146 GB Seagate Cheetah drive in my aforementioned A2000 and it's barely louder than the 2 TB drive in my i7. E: If you do such a setup it's also worth mentioning that most of these old OSes don't know anything about turning off drives when there's prolonged inactivity and these drives usually won't turn off themselves. Some 3rd party software usually can help here. As the OSes also don't do any form of HD swapping either you can go prolonged periods without the drive even being on at all, which also probably extends the drives life a bit. A 10k-15k drive can be quite loud when it turns on, though. That's usually also the moment when you find out if the power supply can handle the drive.
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Powered Descent posted:My first PC joystick was one of these, a Kraft KC3: My brother is a massive sim nerd, he buys just about every HOTAS system as it releases and he claims nothing works as well as his 2002 built CH set up, with a close second being the Thrustmaster Cougar. Apparently CH poo poo just works forever
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drunk asian neighbor posted:The Dreamcast VMUs BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP ffs gotta buy new batteries one of these days
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radiatinglines posted:I played so much DOOM, Blake Stone, Heretic, and Hexen on this thing. I played a lot of Commander Keen with this: 
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Hah! there are USB remakes of CH sticks. I spent too much time wrenching the suction caps off my little grey generic joystick while pulling hard turns on X-wing. And there were only two buttons, one fire and the other was to roll the ship. Though my old Sidewinder is still kicking along in Elite.
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Buttcoin purse posted:I'm not an expert in this stuff, but is the one of the things where you'd go "yeah we might just need to keep one analog line"? Not really applicable in this case. The whole Rightfax on VoIP was a cost savings move. 1500 phone numbers on a single PRI (23 phone lines on a T1) dedicated to fax was too expensive for what it was used for, so we ported the numbers over to the PRIs that our VoIP phone system used and then used the VoIP system to route the fax numbers to the RightFax server. On paper it makes a lot of sense and saves about $800 a month. In practice, it has been a proper pain. We do keep a hand full of analog lines around for some departments that have special privacy concerns (HR, Legal, etc). But end users just get a Rightfax account. Humphreys posted:I was given something like that in 1996 and it was my sneaky way of getting all the girls phone numbers in my class (I was 12). It was such a weird and cool tech that everyone in the class had a go at it. I had the same PDA when I was in 6th grade and did the exact same thing. Of course being an 11 year old PDA carrying dork meant that having all the girls phone numbers was about as useless as ejection seat on a helicopter. Lowen SoDium has a new favorite as of 02:34 on Apr 5, 2016 |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65rGFm5voZI   CUI's are becoming relics too. Arcade machines in the west are also on the downward slide. And I think the 3ds is the last console to use cartridges.
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Winamp having dedicated porn channels.
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GutBomb posted:I think PS Vita games are on carts.
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Nierbo posted:Oh yeah thats true. Do people still buy sound cards for their PCs these days? I had a sweet audigy LS2 something or other. Made a huge difference over the onboard sound thats for sure. Sound blaster xfi Mb 5
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