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Zelder
Jan 4, 2012

*in tamarian voice*: YCS, when fishmech & boosted were modded

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Montasque
Jul 18, 2003

Living in a hateful world sending me straight to Heaven

Majorian posted:

Hey, NML, remember when you denied that Trump is a neocon and then I pointed out that John Bolton was one of his foreign policy advisers? Pretty funny.

The Neocons are Trump's biggest adversaries, so no, he's not a Neocon.

sharkbomb posted:

Probate anyone that complains about dumbass college students - we are overdue for a 20 page discussion. Then probate everyone that complains about liberals, then build the wall and WEAR THE HAT, BOOSTED.

Laughing at college kids is our god given right as old people. So young, so full of emotion... I remember when I cared about things.

Subvisual Haze
Nov 22, 2003

The building was on fire and it wasn't my fault.

Montasque posted:

Cruz actually is worse by a long shot because he actually believes his garbage and will pursue it with gusto.

Also THAT FACE.

I agree completely, and it's infuriating watching the mainstream media endlessly call the silly clownman a fascist while more or less giving Ted Cruz a free pass. Trump says stupid things but Ted Cruz would sign a Blasphemy Law and start burning heretics at the stake if he had the power.

mannerup
Jan 11, 2004

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https://twitter.com/politico/status/717729193698729984

lmao

Zelder
Jan 4, 2012

hey boosted here are some ideas on how to improve this thread

1) all the posters should be louder, angrier and have access to joke books
2) whenever donald trump isn't winning the primary, all the posters should ask "why do you want ted cruz to win the presidency"

OB_Juan
Nov 24, 2004

Not every day is a good day.


Dinosaur Gum

Zelder posted:

*in tamarian voice*: YCS, when fishmech & boosted were modded

Trump, when the wall rose.

Boosted_C5
Feb 16, 2008
Probation
Can't post for 5 years!
Grimey Drawer

Shageletic posted:

Boosted. Hat. Where.



Zelder
Jan 4, 2012

OB_Juan posted:

Trump, when the wall rose.

kasich, his seat belt buckled

mrmcd
Feb 22, 2003

Pictured: The only good cop (a fictional one).


Typical Trump voter, running Windows.

WampaLord
Jan 14, 2010

Zelder posted:

kasich, his seat belt buckled

Cruz at the gates, his face greasy.

Boosted_C5
Feb 16, 2008
Probation
Can't post for 5 years!
Grimey Drawer
OOPS. I have inadvertently revealed how blind I am with my 200% zoom on SA on Chrome on a 27" monitor.

LOL at anyone thinking I would ban people who complain (justifiably) about college kids (who are absolute morons).

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

ayn rand hand job posted:

so did fishmech

Haha where is the train superthread yet.

Never too early to get started on the Trumpabteilung (TA?)!

quote:

JANESVILLE, Wis. — One night last week, dozens of chanting activists filed into the lobby of a hotel here, demanding that it cancel a Donald Trump town hall set for the following day. Within minutes, three members of Trump’s advance security team were in the lobby, and things escalated quickly.

An official with the Trump advance security team, a 61-year-old former FBI agent named Don Albracht, began circling the room, putting his phone in the faces of protesters and filming them. As they chanted “build communities, not walls,” Albracht ripped a sign out of one protester’s hands, jutting his phone within inches of her face, as her comrades shouted objections.
When some of the protesters tried to return the favor by filming Albracht at close range, one of Albracht’s associates pulled a protester away, screaming at her and wagging a finger in her face, an exchange captured in a video taken by activists with the group Stand Up For Racial Justice.

quote:

The fracas in Janesville was only one example of the aggressive tactics Trump’s security has been using to tamp down even peaceful protests. A POLITICO investigation revealed that Trump has assembled a privately funded security and intelligence force with a far wider reach than other campaigns’ private security operations: tracking and rooting out protesters, patrolling campaign events and supplementing the Secret Service protection of the billionaire real estate showman during his nontraditional campaign for the GOP presidential nomination.

quote:

Among Trump critics who’ve had run-ins with his security, complaints include unnecessary force, discriminatory profiling and removing people from events based on little more than their appearance. Some question whether the force’s members are properly trained and certified for the work they’re doing, while others assert that the force acts as if it has the power of the law behind it.

“It was this privatized mercenary force that seemed to have state sanctioning, and that’s something that I haven’t seen before,” said Josh Jenkins, a Madison, Wisconsin, auto mechanic and veteran protester who served as the liaison with police at the Janesville hotel protest.


quote:

At a Trump rally at the Tucson, Arizona, convention center last month, a group of Trump’s private security officers wearing street clothes walked amid a raucous crowd, looking for protesters. The head of the group, a retired FBI agent named Eddie Deck, homed in on a transgender college student named Jaqueline Dowell who was not protesting. She said Deck “grabbed my arm and angrily pulled me through the crowd. I was then escorted by a security officer. When I asked why I was being kicked out, the guard told me, ‘because it was requested that you leave.’” But she told POLITICO “I genuinely believe I was kicked out because I am transgender."

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/inside-trumps-security-juggernaut-221543#ixzz453lhbCZ9
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Louisgod
Sep 25, 2003

Always Watching
Bread Liar

Wow nice.. uhh.. shortcut icons.. and monitor.

Boosted_C5
Feb 16, 2008
Probation
Can't post for 5 years!
Grimey Drawer

mrmcd posted:

Typical Trump voter, running Windows.

How else are hip and with-it guys like myself and Congressman Duncan Hunter supposed to get our Fallout 4 on? Can't run it on Ubuntu.

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007


I don't see the confused look of your neighbors as you scuttle, bent over with shame back to your front door boosted, red hat aflame.

EDIT: I feel like Roscharch begging Dr. Manhattan to kill him right now.

Typo
Aug 19, 2009

Chernigov Military Aviation Lyceum
The Fighting Slowpokes

Slime Bro Helpdesk posted:

Hmmmm...perhaps nobody really was?


Ok so we're back to successful. Why does successful seem to be defined by method and not outcome?

You are pretty socially awkward irl aren't you

redneck nazgul
Apr 25, 2013

WampaLord posted:

Cruz at the gates, his face greasy.

The Zodiac, his crimes unsolved.

Majorian
Jul 1, 2009

Montasque posted:

The Neocons are Trump's biggest adversaries, so no, he's not a Neocon.

Nonsense, there are realists who argue with realists and constructivists who argue with constructivists. The fact that the neocon establishment hates him doesn't mean anything. What does mean something is the fact that he wants to re-invade Iraq and invade Syria to fight ISIS, secure their oil, and let U.S. corporations exploit them. If his beliefs aren't that of a neocon, his policies are indistinguishable from them.

mrmcd
Feb 22, 2003

Pictured: The only good cop (a fictional one).

Shageletic posted:

Haha where is the train superthread yet.

Never too early to get started on the Trumpabteilung (TA?)!





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Albracht macht America great again.

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009


Oh so that's what the mod panel looks like.

Montasque
Jul 18, 2003

Living in a hateful world sending me straight to Heaven

Subvisual Haze posted:

I agree completely, and it's infuriating watching the mainstream media endlessly call the silly clownman a fascist while more or less giving Ted Cruz a free pass. Trump says stupid things but Ted Cruz would sign a Blasphemy Law and start burning heretics at the stake if he had the power.

Cruz played his hand almost perfectly. Drafting behind Trump for so long gave him cover as Trump took all the heat from the media and Establishment.


Zelder posted:

hey boosted here are some ideas on how to improve this thread
2) whenever donald trump isn't winning the primary, all the posters should ask "why do you want ted cruz to win the presidency"

I know no one here wants Cruz to be president, but he has a great shot at the nomination at the convention and that scares the hell out of me.

Subvisual Haze
Nov 22, 2003

The building was on fire and it wasn't my fault.
So does the GOP have any path going forward that isn't catastrophic? At this point it's Donald Trump or ignoring a plurality of their voters. They're screwed either way.

Zelder
Jan 4, 2012

if i'm wrong you can file this under "foolish last words from a screaming corpse circa the 5th year of ted cruz's hell reign", but no one with ted cruz's face is going to become president in this 24 hour media cycle era

Vox Nihili
May 28, 2008


W-why is your keyboard so tiny? Oh my god--the hands.

Montasque
Jul 18, 2003

Living in a hateful world sending me straight to Heaven

Majorian posted:

Nonsense, there are realists who argue with realists and constructivists who argue with constructivists. The fact that the neocon establishment hates him doesn't mean anything. What does mean something is the fact that he wants to re-invade Iraq and invade Syria to fight ISIS, secure their oil, and let U.S. corporations exploit them. If his beliefs aren't that of a neocon, his policies are indistinguishable from them.

Trump wants to ally with Russia to fight ISIS and doesn't believe in toppling Assad. After the war he wants America paid in natural resources.

Trump isn't a neocon, he's a 18th century warlord.

Chokes McGee
Aug 7, 2008

This is Urotsuki.

here we fuckin gooooooooooo :unsmigghh:

Mr. Pumroy
May 20, 2001

Montasque posted:

Cruz played his hand almost perfectly. Drafting behind Trump for so long gave him cover as Trump took all the heat from the media and Establishment.


I know no one here wants Cruz to be president, but he has a great shot at the nomination at the convention and that scares the hell out of me.

embrace fear

Majorian
Jul 1, 2009

Montasque posted:

Trump wants to ally with Russia to fight ISIS

Eh, kind of, but so did George W. Bush, if you remember - it was just called al-Qaeda at the time.

e: and, of course, Dubya was perfectly fine with letting dictators of Assad's ilk remain in power, as long as they helped him fight terror. See Islam Karimov, the Uzbek dictator who has been known to literally boil dissidents alive.:gonk:

Either way, bear in mind, the discussion NML was referring to was one in which he was calling Clinton a neocon. So I don't think he's in any position to complain about people being fast and loose with their terms.

Majorian fucked around with this message at 16:43 on Apr 6, 2016

Louisgod
Sep 25, 2003

Always Watching
Bread Liar

Subvisual Haze posted:

So does the GOP have any path going forward that isn't catastrophic? At this point it's Donald Trump or ignoring a plurality of their voters. They're screwed either way.

No, every option is a travesty and I can't think of any route that wouldn't lead to long-term damage to the GOP.

-Run Trump, have GOP back him, lose miserably and see the base break down.
-Ratfuck Trump, run Cruz, watch him lose because everybody hates him, dismantle the Tea Party in the process but stoke the coals of the disgust of your base because you hosed over Trump, viva revolution.
-gently caress over both Trump and Cruz, run Ryan, country collectively laughs in a Joe Biden voice, force whole GOP base to question the system
-Run 3rd party candidate, fracture base, destroy party, chaos reigns

More than anything I'm curious how post-convention antics will affect down ticket seats. I know the GOP is bracing for some losses in the house and senate but I think it'll be more devastating than they're predicting.

Zelder
Jan 4, 2012

i want to see the post mortem election book for 2016 that's just a single tear and blood streaked page

"trump"

Prorat
Aug 3, 2004

by FactsAreUseless

Shageletic posted:

Haha where is the train superthread yet.

Never too early to get started on the Trumpabteilung (TA?)!





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So? The point of protesting is to disrupt and the get moved by force... Do these protesters expect this won't happen or something? I don't understand.

Montasque
Jul 18, 2003

Living in a hateful world sending me straight to Heaven

Majorian posted:

Eh, kind of, but so did George W. Bush, if you remember - it was just called al-Qaeda at the time.

Either way, bear in mind, the discussion NML was referring to was one in which he was calling Clinton a neocon. So I don't think he's in any position to complain about people being fast and loose with their terms.

Yeah Clinton isn't a neocon either. We just cant be throwing that word around!

E: "Toppling Assad" and curbing Russian power are now the top priorities of the neocon hive mind. So no, Trump isn't a neocon.

Montasque fucked around with this message at 16:48 on Apr 6, 2016

WampaLord
Jan 14, 2010

Louisgod posted:

More than anything I'm curious how post-convention antics will affect down ticket seats. I know the GOP is bracing for some losses in the house and senate but I think it'll be more devastating than they're predicting.

This interests me a great deal as well. I also think that their obstructionism with Obama's Supreme Court justice nomination will bite them in the rear end hard and create a massive surge of D turnout.

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

Montasque posted:

Yeah Clinton isn't a neocon either. We just cant be throwing that word around!

A lot of people seem to use neocon to mean 'interventionist' but that's only conservative in that it's a US tradition through the past 150 years. It's definitely a strong part of neoconservative doctrine but it's not the defining feature. The defining feature is the head-anus conglomeration.

Thump!
Nov 25, 2007

Look, fat, here's the fact, Kulak!



No one asked for your computer to wear the hat, Boosted.

Come on, make YCS great again. Wear it for the Gipper.

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

Chokes McGee posted:

here we fuckin gooooooooooo :unsmigghh:

Pfffft keeping avatars visible totally is amateur level, keeping it invisible to hide the fact that you're in a professional setting reading a comedy politics thread is pro-tier

Prorat posted:

So? The point of protesting is to disrupt and the get moved by force... Do these protesters expect this won't happen or something? I don't understand.

I suspect there is a lot you don't understand, like other peopl, emotional attachments, eye contact

Prorat
Aug 3, 2004

by FactsAreUseless
Obama is a neocon since he invaded more countries with his drones than Bush did with his troops.

Majorian
Jul 1, 2009

Montasque posted:

Yeah Clinton isn't a neocon either. We just cant be throwing that word around!

I agree, but it's also important, IMO, to recognize that when discussing policy platforms, the term can and should take on a broader meaning than its strictest sense, if for no other reason than that the original capital-N Neoconservatives are either dead or very, very old: Leo Strauss, Jeane Kirkpatrick, Irving Kristol, Norman Podhoretz, etc. The current generation of neocons (Bill Kristol, John Podhoretz, Paul Wolfowitz, Doug Feith, et al.,) were never Trotskyists, and seem less ideologically rigorous, although they're just as committed to the use of American hard power to install pro-US democratic governments worldwide. Their influence on government isn't an ideologically pure one, either - there were several areas where the George W. Bush administration differed dramatically from the neoconservatives' positions. But I think it's still fair to say that the Bush '43 foreign policy was one of the most neoconservative this country has ever seen.

Tesseraction posted:

A lot of people seem to use neocon to mean 'interventionist' but that's only conservative in that it's a US tradition through the past 150 years. It's definitely a strong part of neoconservative doctrine but it's not the defining feature. The defining feature is the head-anus conglomeration.

Also their coming-of-age ritual, Neo-Kolinahr, where their soul and sense of empathy are removed.

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

Prorat posted:

So? The point of protesting is to disrupt and the get moved by force... Do these protesters expect this won't happen or something? I don't understand.

I suspect there is a lot you don't understand, like other people, emotional attachements, eye contact

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Prorat
Aug 3, 2004

by FactsAreUseless

Shageletic posted:

I suspect there is a lot you don't understand, like other people, emotional attachements, eye contact

Actually I take what I said back, they aren't protestor, they are paid shills, gently caress em.

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