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Moist von Lipwig
Oct 28, 2006

by FactsAreUseless
Tortured By Flan

GopherFlats posted:

Hops apparently also contain phytoestrogens. So your favorite IPA may be able to give you those boobs! ( probably not)

Thankfully I only drink sweet malty brewskies and not the bitter boobswill then

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Light Gun Man
Oct 17, 2009

toEjaM iS oN
vaCatioN




Lipstick Apathy

Enourmo posted:

The issue with that is most metals are glowing bright yellow by the time they melt, and most youtuber cameras can't pick up any detail from it (hell, pro film cameras probably have issues).

Basically it's weird that we have the internet and all this video tech and there isn't some website where you can just go "I wonder what <element> looks like in <state>". Solid, liquid, gas, on fire, molten, etc.

Synthbuttrange
May 6, 2007

materialspornhub

Beepity Boop
Nov 21, 2012

yay

Which is good for looking up macro-scale compounds such as corn.

Rigged Death Trap
Feb 13, 2012

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Moist von Lipwig posted:

Thankfully I only drink sweet malty brewskies and not the bitter boobswill then

Barley, wheat and oats all have phytoestrogens.
:smug: with beer there is no escaping the boob hormone

Adenoid Dan
Mar 8, 2012

The Hobo Serenader
Lipstick Apathy
Cadmium is another heavy metal that acts as an estrogen. As with uranium the other effects are more dangerous. Just recently they pulled some children's jewelry from a major retailer that was nearly 99% cadmium (it's cheap and shiny - this is not the first time this has happened).

Estrogen receptors in general are much less specific than most other receptors. If it has an aromatic ring that sticks out a bit there's a decent chance it activates estrogen receptors, but even that's not necessary under some circumstances.

Adenoid Dan
Mar 8, 2012

The Hobo Serenader
Lipstick Apathy

Rigged Death Trap posted:

Barley, wheat and oats all have phytoestrogens.
:smug: with beer there is no escaping the boob hormone

Alcohol induces aromatase, which is an enzyme that takes androgens and turns them into estrogen. It's not a large effect in moderate drinkers but far larger than phytoestrogens. No escaping the boob hormone with any alcohol.

Rigged Death Trap
Feb 13, 2012

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Adenoid Dan posted:

Cadmium is another heavy metal that acts as an estrogen. As with uranium the other effects are more dangerous. Just recently they pulled some children's jewelry from a major retailer that was nearly 99% cadmium (it's cheap and shiny - this is not the first time this has happened).

Estrogen receptors in general are much less specific than most other receptors. If it has an aromatic ring that sticks out a bit there's a decent chance it activates estrogen receptors, but even that's not necessary under some circumstances.

Explains why heavy metals can easily slot in.
Seems the receptor loves it's free electrons

Kwyndig
Sep 23, 2006

Heeeeeey


Adenoid Dan posted:

Cadmium is another heavy metal that acts as an estrogen. As with uranium the other effects are more dangerous. Just recently they pulled some children's jewelry from a major retailer that was nearly 99% cadmium (it's cheap and shiny - this is not the first time this has happened).

Estrogen receptors in general are much less specific than most other receptors. If it has an aromatic ring that sticks out a bit there's a decent chance it activates estrogen receptors, but even that's not necessary under some circumstances.

99 percent cadmium? Why didn't they just make it out of lead if they hated kids so much.

Zemyla
Aug 6, 2008

I'll take her off your hands. Pleasure doing business with you!

DemeaninDemon posted:

The ICP torch running about 500ppm nickel solution is orange. Could be sodium in it though. That's the problem with flaming metals. The ones that really shine loving really shine and drown out everything else.

I know what that is, but I can't not see "Insane Clown Posse torch".

Wylie
Jun 27, 2005

Ever to conquer, never to yield.


Zemyla posted:

I know what that is, but I can't not see "Insane Clown Posse torch".

Now I want to know what color Fanta is when it's on fire.

KozmoNaut
Apr 23, 2008

Happiness is a warm
Turbo Plasma Rifle


Wylie posted:

Now I want to know what color Faygo is when it's on fire.

Adenoid Dan
Mar 8, 2012

The Hobo Serenader
Lipstick Apathy

Kwyndig posted:

99 percent cadmium? Why didn't they just make it out of lead if they hated kids so much.

There were also recalled necklaces that were 4% lead.

Vitamins
May 1, 2012


Kwyndig posted:

99 percent cadmium? Why didn't they just make it out of lead if they hated kids so much.

Well cadmium is more toxic than lead so they really, really hate kids.

Gobbeldygook
May 13, 2009
Hates Native American people and tries to justify their genocides.

Put this racist on ignore immediately!

Adenoid Dan posted:

Cadmium is another heavy metal that acts as an estrogen. As with uranium the other effects are more dangerous. Just recently they pulled some children's jewelry from a major retailer that was nearly 99% cadmium (it's cheap and shiny - this is not the first time this has happened).

It was only 98%! For those looking for more details, press release, full technical report, and news story follow-up.

Maxwells Demon
Jan 15, 2007


The absurdity of using ppm for measurements of near purity was my favorite part.

Moist von Lipwig
Oct 28, 2006

by FactsAreUseless
Tortured By Flan

Maxwells Demon posted:

The absurdity of using ppm for measurements of near purity was my favorite part.

Hahahaha Nine Hundred and Eighty Thousand Parts Per Million!!!

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS
Cadmium is amazing as an industrial plating.

It’s a shame it’s toxic.

Munin
Nov 14, 2004


Maxwells Demon posted:

The absurdity of using ppm for measurements of near purity was my favorite part.

Well, the foolish regulators never even considered that a coarser measure of the limits might be required since no one would obviously be stupid enough to make a necklace of near pure Cadmium. Surely not...

xthetenth
Dec 30, 2012

Mario wasn't sure if this Jeb guy was a good influence on Yoshi.

It's pretty effective for getting across just how ridiculous it is.

It's like how nice it'd be if news stories didn't mix trillions and millions together.

Syd Midnight
Sep 23, 2005

Interesting when some horribly toxic compound has chemical properties that would be extremely useful, if not for the "but then you would die" part.

After reading about heliox and narcosis, and how even noble gasses become increasingly narcotic as you go down the periodic table, to the point where xenon is narcotic enough to be a useful but prohibitively expensive surgical anesthetic. So I mentioned it to an anesthesiologist once, and asked if radon would theoretically be an even better anesthetic if it wasn't radioactive, but he was too horrified by the thought of it to come up with an answer. (afaik the answer is "yes but why the gently caress would you even come up with that question?" so maybe he was probably just being polite).

Moist von Lipwig
Oct 28, 2006

by FactsAreUseless
Tortured By Flan
I'll try and track it down but somewhere in PIHKAL I believe Shulgin mentions how you could continue incrementing the 2C-x series of drugs into the radioactive elements.

Moist von Lipwig
Oct 28, 2006

by FactsAreUseless
Tortured By Flan
Found it!

Alexander Shulgin posted:



...

Where else can one go, from 2C-I? The iodine is the fourth, and the last of the so-called halogens, at the bottom of the classical periodic table. But, thanks to the miracles that have accompanied us into the nuclear age, there is a fifth halide now known, Astatine. All of its isotopes are radioactive, however, and it seems unlikely that there will ever be an entry (other than this one) for 2,5-dimethoxy-4-astatophenethylamine. What might be speculated as to its activity? Probably similar in potency to 2C-I, requiring maybe 10 or 20 milligrams. The duration would be dicey to measure, since the isotope with the longest known half-life is half decayed in about 8 hours, and the longest lived natural isotope (for those who insist on natural rather than man-made things) is half decayed in less than a minute. Two predictions would be pretty solid. You might have quite a job accumulating your 10 milligrams of Astatine, as the most that has so far been made at one time is only about 0.05 micrograms, approximately a millionth of the amount needed. And the second prediction? You would not survive the screaming radiation that would bombard you if you could get the needed 5 or 10 milligrams of radio-astatine onto that magic 4-position, and the resulting 2C-A into your tummy!

Phanatic
Mar 13, 2007

Please don't forget that I am an extremely racist idiot who also has terrible opinions about the Culture series.

Syd Midnight posted:

Interesting when some horribly toxic compound has chemical properties that would be extremely useful, if not for the "but then you would die" part.

After reading about heliox and narcosis, and how even noble gasses become increasingly narcotic as you go down the periodic table, to the point where xenon is narcotic enough to be a useful but prohibitively expensive surgical anesthetic.

It is actually seeing use for that, because with the right recovery equipment it's not prohibitively expensive anymore. And it's such a potent anaesthetic that you can give plenty of oxygen along with it, which makes everyone happy. If it weren't for the expense it would be damned near perfect at that task.

Keiya
Aug 22, 2009

Come with me if you want to not die.

Wylie posted:

Now I want to know what color Fanta is when it's on fire.

How would you light it? It's mostly water, I don't think I have anything that can light that or get one of their disgusting orange sodas to try it next time I'm at the convenience store.

(I do like their root beer though, and they make passable grape and black cherry.)

xthetenth
Dec 30, 2012

Mario wasn't sure if this Jeb guy was a good influence on Yoshi.

Phanatic posted:

It is actually seeing use for that, because with the right recovery equipment it's not prohibitively expensive anymore. And it's such a potent anaesthetic that you can give plenty of oxygen along with it, which makes everyone happy. If it weren't for the expense it would be damned near perfect at that task.

Well Radon comes free with the right basement, right?

Memento
Aug 25, 2009


Bleak Gremlin
That cadmium thing is loving insane. Where did they even get enough cadmium from to make jewelry out of it?

I guess all of those toxic metals being taken out of electronics in Guiyu gotta go somewhere :(

Kwyndig
Sep 23, 2006

Heeeeeey


Memento posted:

That cadmium thing is loving insane. Where did they even get enough cadmium from to make jewelry out of it?

I guess all of those toxic metals being taken out of electronics in Guiyu gotta go somewhere :(

Actually cadmium is usually a by product of zinc refining. If you have a ton of zinc to refine, you'll get some cadmium, usually.

GWBBQ
Jan 2, 2005


Deteriorata posted:

Most of the color of a meteor trail is due to the emission spectra of nitrogen and oxygen that were ionized as it went by.

Nickel doesn't produce much of a flame color. Neither do iron or chromium, which is why a nichrome wire is usually used for flame tests.
If people encourage me I'll probably be convinced to prove this by grabbing one of the iron-nickel meteorites from my office and bringing it to the chemistry lab.

Keiya posted:

How would you light it? It's mostly water, I don't think I have anything that can light that or get one of their disgusting orange sodas to try it next time I'm at the convenience store.
Water burns in a fluorine-rich environment

Ablative
Nov 9, 2012

Someone is getting this as an avatar. I don't know who, but it's gonna happen.

GWBBQ posted:

Water Everything burns in a fluorine-rich environment

Memento
Aug 25, 2009


Bleak Gremlin

GWBBQ posted:

If people encourage me I'll probably be convinced to prove this by grabbing one of the iron-nickel meteorites from my office and bringing it to the chemistry lab.

Water burns in a fluorine-rich environment

IF YOU SET FIRE TO AN IRON-NICKEL METEORITE I WILL BE VERY UPSET WITH YOU

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Feb 13, 2012

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Ablative posted:

everything burns in a fluorine-rich environment

WRONG A BUNCH OF THINGS DONT
They're all noble gases, and fully fluorinated compounds though


Talking of violent fluorination: Krypton Difluoride!
Because when things are tacked on to a noble gas, the gas becomes absolutely barking insane and tries to throw it's new houseguests into any oncomers without prejudice and with maximum force.

quote:

Krypton difluoride is primarily a powerful oxidising and fluorinating agent: for example, it can oxidise gold to its highest-known oxidation state, +5. It is more powerful even than elemental fluorine due to the reduced bond F-F to Kr-F with redox potential of 3.5, making it the most powerful known oxidising agent, though KrF4 could be even stronger

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Kalman
Jan 17, 2010

GWBBQ posted:

If people encourage me I'll probably be convinced to prove this by grabbing one of the iron-nickel meteorites from my office and bringing it to the chemistry lab.

WaterFaygo burns in a fluorine-rich environment

I'd really rather you prove the latter point.

Phanatic
Mar 13, 2007

Please don't forget that I am an extremely racist idiot who also has terrible opinions about the Culture series.

Rigged Death Trap posted:

WRONG A BUNCH OF THINGS DONT


They're all noble gases, noble metals and fully fluorinated compounds though

Even some noble gases burn in a fluorine-rich environment.

What's a noble metal?

Memento
Aug 25, 2009


Bleak Gremlin

Phanatic posted:

Even some noble gases burn in a fluorine-rich environment.

What's a noble metal?

The platinum group elements, gold, silver as well depending on your definition. Things that are very very resistant to corrosion and oxidation.

TehRedWheelbarrow
Mar 16, 2011



Fan of Britches

Phanatic posted:

Even some noble gases burn in a fluorine-rich environment.

What's a noble metal?

baller metals.

especially osmium which is ballerist.

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Feb 13, 2012

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Phanatic posted:

Even some noble gases burn in a fluorine-rich environment.

What's a noble metal?

Yeah when you make it hot enough of course. Fluorine Radicals are some insane poo poo yo.
My example : Krypton Difluoride, is made through with an Oxygen-fluorine mixture at ~680C.

Phanatic
Mar 13, 2007

Please don't forget that I am an extremely racist idiot who also has terrible opinions about the Culture series.

SneakyFrog posted:

baller metals.

especially osmium which is ballerist.

I can't consider anything that forms a tetroxide as noble.

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Feb 13, 2012

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Phanatic posted:

I can't consider anything that forms a tetroxide as noble.

It's the Habsburg of the noble metals.
Noble through lineage, and not much else.

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Memento
Aug 25, 2009


Bleak Gremlin

SneakyFrog posted:

baller metals.

especially osmium which is ballerist.

Iridium is even baller-er than that. Ir has no known mechanism of hydrothermal transport, even in the most acidic, sulphurous environments known. This is one of the reasons we're able to see the K-Pg boundary so well from its Ir signature; even through 65 million years of rework, the Ir has remained intact. Don't see your scrub-tier Os doing anything like that, it can't even survive slab devolatilisation.

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