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zedprime posted:If they keep to the Valkryie Profile profile, it will have to be about Aeris fighting Jenova in the life stream to prevent the end of the world. Valkyrie Profile profile.  That would be kinda interesting, moreso than what I fear is currently being cooked up. Prove me wrong, Square.
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I'm more curious as to story justifications for expanding the game. VII's story has been known for over a decade now. They can expand side stories and backstories, but unless they do some heavy retconning nobody's going to be surprised by the way episodes finish.
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ApplesandOranges posted:I'm more curious as to story justifications for expanding the game. VII's story has been known for over a decade now. They can expand side stories and backstories, but unless they do some heavy retconning nobody's going to be surprised by the way episodes finish. Is that a bad thing? Everyone knew how Halo: Reach was going to end too, and that went over well enough.
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ApplesandOranges posted:I'm more curious as to story justifications for expanding the game. VII's story has been known for over a decade now. They can expand side stories and backstories, but unless they do some heavy retconning nobody's going to be surprised by the way episodes finish. I dunno, it's been gone over a few times that lots of people don't really remember VII.
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ApplesandOranges posted:I'm more curious as to story justifications for expanding the game. VII's story has been known for over a decade now. They can expand side stories and backstories, but unless they do some heavy retconning nobody's going to be surprised by the way episodes finish. I kind of want them to actually hit the same story beats but with more detail. I'd be fine with lots of little changes. They have sort of come off sounding a little George Lucas-y though saying "hey we created it, so we think we have the right to change it in the remake" and while that's totally true and fine, there's that feeling of "ugh what if they make it bad by making Cloud super-serious all the time and everyone treats him like a total badass and and and." Also, if they change a plot detail that a lot of people really like, there's inevitable backlash. Well, there's going to be inevitable backlash no matter what though so I guess just do what you gonna do, SE.
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ApplesandOranges posted:I'm more curious as to story justifications for expanding the game. VII's story has been known for over a decade now. They can expand side stories and backstories, but unless they do some heavy retconning nobody's going to be surprised by the way episodes finish. The story isn't gonna the same though, is the thing. It's a remake/reboot, not just FF7 with better graphics.
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Apr 6, 2016 22:39
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I'm hoping that people end up complaining about the faithful parts.
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ApplesandOranges posted:I'm more curious as to story justifications for expanding the game. VII's story has been known for over a decade now. Outside of hardcore FF forums, most people do not actually know 7's story past the 1st disk.
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bloodychill posted:I kind of want them to actually hit the same story beats but with more detail. I'd be fine with lots of little changes. They have sort of come off sounding a little George Lucas-y though saying "hey we created it, so we think we have the right to change it in the remake" and while that's totally true and fine, there's that feeling of "ugh what if they make it bad by making Cloud super-serious all the time and everyone treats him like a total badass and and and." Also, if they change a plot detail that a lot of people really like, there's inevitable backlash. Aerith Shot First? Or I suppose a more fitting analogy would be some hypothetical where "AVALANCE only bombed the reactor by accident."
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Apr 6, 2016 22:49
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I played through FF7 more than once and when I read Elentor's LP I was surprised by several parts I didn't remember at all. I suspect the same is true of most people who played it at age 13 or younger.
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NikkolasKing posted:Aerith Shot First? Shinra actually blew up the reactors as a false flag op and just made people think AVALANCHE was behind it in their bid to take over Midgard and oust the democratically-elected mayor.
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Actually, now I'm curious about something. The whole "most people don't actually remember FFVII" thing gets said alot. Right or wrong, it's something you hear often enough. But what about the other "big time old FF" - FFVI? I think that is the next FF I will be playing.It's one of the only ones I have left to finish. But anyway, VI was quite the hit back in the day as well and would have been big with younger players around the same age as those who played VII. Do people forget or have nostalgia and their imagination make up things about VI as well? NikkolasKing fucked around with this message at 22:57 on Apr 6, 2016 |
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NikkolasKing posted:Actually, now I'm curious about something. The whole "most people don't actually remember FFVII" thing gets said alot. Right or wrong, it's something you hear often enough. People remember FFVI really well because the story is far simpler and better translated.
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NikkolasKing posted:Actually, now I'm curious about something. The whole "most people don't actually remember FFVII" thing gets said alot. Right or wrong, it's something you hear often enough. Most people just remember that a dude suplexed a train.
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ImpAtom posted:People remember FFVI really well because the story is far simpler and better translated. It's pretty much this. FF6's story is court magician who gets experimented on goes insane and destroys the world, but it's okay because we're getting the gang back together to beat him anyway. FF7's story is unreliable narrator with unspecified mental condition lies to you for the first thirty hours of the game.
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Yeah, even 4 which has a pretty rough translation is simple enough that the details don't get lost. Cecil isn't some sort of possible Golbez clone with Kain's memories living a fake life that Rosa is corroborating. Even if 7 was well localized, with that layer of complexity there's bound to be issues.
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Artix posted:Is that a bad thing? Everyone knew how Halo: Reach was going to end too, and that went over well enough. Holy poo poo they did a video game adaptation of The Fall of Reach?
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Apr 6, 2016 22:59
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I'm reminded of the great "is Sephiroth still alive in any capacity or is it just Jenova the shape-shifter the whole time" debate.
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Apr 6, 2016 23:00
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I remember the whole "Did humanity die at the end of FF7?" debate. And the EU answered that with "They really should have."
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Mega64 posted:I remember the whole "Did humanity die at the end of FF7?" debate. they all got turned into red xiii dog people
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Pretty much.
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The White Dragon posted:they all got turned into red xiii dog people The peak of evolution, pretty obvious there. I do remember thinking while watching the last video "wasn't Red the last of his kind? Gaaame!"
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bloodychill posted:The peak of evolution, pretty obvious there. We never saw what else Hojo attempted to breed with Red XIII.
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Apr 6, 2016 23:17
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I hope cloud dies instead of aeris
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Surprise twist at the end of episode 1, Aerith is saved by the goddess Etro
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Tempo 119 posted:Surprise twist at the end of episode 1, Aerith is saved by the goddess Etro Is this before or after she sends Tifa on a suicide mission?
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Artix posted:Is this before or after she sends Tifa on a suicide mission? It's concurrent, Tifa has infiltrated Deepground at this point but she hasn't yet earned the trust of Genesis Rhapsodos
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bloodychill posted:I'm reminded of the great "is Sephiroth still alive in any capacity or is it just Jenova the shape-shifter the whole time" debate. It's half true isn't it? His body is made of Jenova cells by the end but he still has his mind and doesn't have quite the same goals as Jenova. EDIT: To be fair I don't remember the plot of FF7 very well. I just know Jenova wanted to destroy the world or something but Sephiroth was more interested in fighting Cloud. RatHat fucked around with this message at 23:39 on Apr 6, 2016 |
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Jenova infected animals are all over the place in the deep north, far as we know. Didn't matter what happened to Jenova in the crater.Tempo 119 posted:Surprise twist at the end of episode 1, Aerith is saved by the goddess Etro
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Oh wow, I completely forgot about the cellphone game where you play as Turks. I wonder if they'll try to work that in at all?
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Panic! at Nabisco posted:Oh wow, I completely forgot about the cellphone game where you play as Turks. I wonder if they'll try to work that in at all? I'd be kind of interested in that since that game - Before Crisis - seems to be about the founding of AVALANCHE. Something I forgot was that Barret and co. joined up later and the group was made by someone else. Tempo 119 posted:Surprise twist at the end of episode 1, Aerith is saved by the goddess Etro Of course it is later revealed that Etro created Jenova in the first place. Oops.
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Sephiroth is jenova's lcie
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is lcie japanese for boytoy
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NikkolasKing posted:Actually, now I'm curious about something. The whole "most people don't actually remember FFVII" thing gets said alot. Right or wrong, it's something you hear often enough. FFVI is simpler because its big plot points are simple, and everything in between is mostly fluff and some background exploration. The main villian doesn't really have any complicated motivation, either. Whereas for VII, the backstory is important for fully understanding the story and it's not the easiest thing to piece together at first playthrough. IV was the first game with a nuanced villian (Golbez), but most of that was mind-control and it was from VII onwards that they started to have a lot more complex villians (Kuja, Vayne).
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Apr 7, 2016 00:29
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vayne solidor, the totally not evil guy who has bat wing armor
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It doesn't help that FF7's translation was pretty bad.
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The plot is completely inscrutable in any language.
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bloodychill posted:I'm reminded of the great "is Sephiroth still alive in any capacity or is it just Jenova the shape-shifter the whole time" debate. The argument spewing debate is over whether Sephiroth has any agency or what his role in the armageddon plan ever was, besides as a Jenova infected lightning rod sticking out of the lifestream.
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The PS4 port has a pretty solid script, shame that it probably won't stay that way for the remake with voice acting. Wonder what they'll do about the scene where Cloud goes into a bloodrage and beats the poo poo out of Aerith.
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Augus posted:Wonder what they'll do about the scene where Cloud goes into a bloodrage and beats the poo poo out of Aerith. QTE mini-game.
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