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Sair
May 11, 2007


this is fuckin great

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Jun 3, 2008

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Grimey Drawer

holy loly

Cocoa Crispies
Jul 20, 2001

Vehicular Manslaughter!

Pillbug

lancemantis posted:

It would rely on filtering out the dissolved oxygen; make them think about the volume of water it would have to process to let a human breathe comfortably during exercise, and how much little air tanks could contribute.

yeah i think step one is asking someone how much air they have to breathe during exercise, and how much air is oxygen

water has orders of magnitude less oxygen and is harder to move soooo

ahmeni
May 1, 2005

It's one continuous form where hardware and software function in perfect unison, creating a new generation of iPhone that's better by any measure.
Grimey Drawer

pro rear end click

Underwear
May 13, 2006


"WALLAH! You have clean active drinking in the palm of your hand."

prefect
Sep 11, 2001

No one, Woodhouse.
No one.




Dead Man’s Band

that did not end the way i thought it was going to end

:gonk:

surebet
Jan 10, 2013

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i think they saw little 12g caps of co2 like this:



and said to themselves this but with lox

they'd need something quite precise to do a metered phase change between liquid and gaseous and lol having that in anything that could fit in the housing of the gill

also they don't understand lox lol, they probably should've thought about that a bit more before pivoting to the new lie

quote:

Hi. Why not to make special adapter for the cylinder to refill in regular scuba shop?

Hi Kim, we are working on it and we will release the news here on Indiegogo as soon as it is done, thank you for reaching out to us.

air != oxygen and you can't compress oxygen into liquid above -100ºc or something anyway

quote:

You still have not answered my question as to whether consumers of the product will be able to fly with the O2 canisters on a commercial airline?

Hi Marc, yes we are working on that, right now it is not possible to do that, we will be able to ship it because we will follow the DOT regulations and we are working to develop a insulated container that will be make it possible to bring on a flight, we will also release more information as we go with all regulations and how far we come to solve it, have a great day

loving lol, lox is blanket banned under any circumstances aboard commercial flights up here in canada, and from what i understand from the usdot cfrs it's also banned in the us. hoverboards are also specifically prohibited aboard flights by a bunch of airlines, which made me smile

quote:

I want to buy these, but I want to know how you plan to ship liquid Oxygen to US residents. Please explain so I can help fund.

http://pe.usps.com/text/pub52/pub52c3_019.htm
“Liquid oxygen (UN1073) is prohibited from mailing under any circumstances.”

https://www.ups.com/content/us/en/resources/ship/hazardous/common_items.html

“FedEx Ground does not accept cryogenic liquids unless properly prepared and packaged under exception 49 CFR 173.320.”


Hi yes there is regulations we need to follow to send liquid oxygen in the US and the rest of the world, this is something we have been working on, you can read more about it, it is called the DOT regulations, we are following their rules on how to handle it, there is many other shipping company's that will provide us with this service, have a great day

bonded carriers who are able to take on shipments of cryogenic liquids and gases charge an arm and a leg, and i think they only deal in bulk transport because no one has a use case for single serving caps of lox

quote:

A couple of sincere questions that really must be answered:

1) For oxygen to be liquid it needs to be below -119°C (-182°F). How are you providing this cooling during use?

2) The requirements for safe transport, storage and use of liquid oxygen are daunting and very stringent. How are you going to deal with these concerns? See:
(http://www.praxair.com/~/media/prax...P4637.pdf?la=en)


Hi Mark, the liquid oxygen is kept in insulated containers (called dewars). These keep the oxygen in liquid form at a temperature of -170 degrees Celius. The container consists of a lower portion where the oxygen is in a liquid state and a smaller upper portion where the liquid has evaporated creating a gas. if you follow the regulations DOT then you can send them by air, and sorry we did delete you new message but that was a misstake, so i hope you are happy with my answer, have a great day

aaaaaaaaaaa

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Jun 3, 2008

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jesus christ

prefect
Sep 11, 2001

No one, Woodhouse.
No one.




Dead Man’s Band

surebet posted:

i think they saw little 12g caps of co2 like this:



and said to themselves this but with lox

i think it's all just a desperate attempt to do this

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud
Apr 7, 2003


Underwear posted:

"WALLAH! You have clean active drinking in the palm of your hand."

"Voilà," not "WALLAH" you fuckin illiterate

anthonypants
May 6, 2007

by Nyc_Tattoo
Dinosaur Gum
oh my god

Sham bam bamina!
Nov 6, 2012

ƨtupid cat

Citizen Tayne posted:

"Voilà," not "WALLAH" you fuckin illiterate
ugh i scrolled past that

:barf:

Trig Discipline
Jun 3, 2008

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Citizen Tayne posted:

"Voilà," not "WALLAH" you fuckin illiterate

you realize that's a quote from the kicksharter page right

just checkin

anthonypants
May 6, 2007

by Nyc_Tattoo
Dinosaur Gum

Trig Discipline posted:

you realize that's a quote from the kicksharter page right

just checkin
tori's point is still valid

Sham bam bamina!
Nov 6, 2012

ƨtupid cat

Trig Discipline posted:

you realize that's a quote from the kicksharter page right

just checkin
of course he does

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Jun 3, 2008

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k then

Al!
Apr 2, 2010

:coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot:

surebet posted:

i think they saw little 12g caps of co2 like this:



and said to themselves this but with lox

they'd need something quite precise to do a metered phase change between liquid and gaseous and lol having that in anything that could fit in the housing of the gill

also they don't understand lox lol, they probably should've thought about that a bit more before pivoting to the new lie


air != oxygen and you can't compress oxygen into liquid above -100ºc or something anyway


loving lol, lox is blanket banned under any circumstances aboard commercial flights up here in canada, and from what i understand from the usdot cfrs it's also banned in the us. hoverboards are also specifically prohibited aboard flights by a bunch of airlines, which made me smile


bonded carriers who are able to take on shipments of cryogenic liquids and gases charge an arm and a leg, and i think they only deal in bulk transport because no one has a use case for single serving caps of lox


aaaaaaaaaaa

see smart guys, all they have to do is put them in some dewers

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Jun 3, 2008

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Al! posted:

see smart guys, all they have to do is put in some dewar's

ftfy

Fuzzy Mammal
Aug 15, 2001

Lipstick Apathy
lo2marf

surebet
Jan 10, 2013

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specialist


apparently they're opting for a keurig business plan

quote:

I contributed to the original campaign and I love the idea of your product. Myself as well as probably many others cannot commit to buy at this point because we have no idea of the cost of use, now that 02 canisters are needed. I understand what you are saying about trying to nail down the final cost, but if you could let us know a ballpark. Are we talking around $1 per canister, $5, $10, $20? That price makes a huge difference. The other question of flying with them needs to be answered.

Hi Marc, the only thing i can say right now is that they will not cost more then $20 but we will release this information around April 13-14 so you will have plenty of time to think about to contribute or not after the release of the pricing, and we will cover most of the country's and we are closing deals everyday with distributors, we will send the them by air, their is some regulations but we will follow them and be able to ship via air, have a great day Marc

so like 40$ per 15 minutes underwater even if it doesn't freeze or explode your face off

surebet
Jan 10, 2013

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the customers are also loving tools, i missed the most awesome reply

quote:

A couple of sincere questions that really must be answered:

1) For oxygen to be liquid it needs to be below -119°C (-182°F). How are you providing this cooling during use?

2) The requirements for safe transport, storage and use of liquid oxygen are daunting and very stringent. How are you going to deal with these concerns? See:
(http://www.praxair.com/~/media/prax...P4637.pdf?la=en)

quote:

Hi Mark, the liquid oxygen is kept in insulated containers (called dewars). These keep the oxygen in liquid form at a temperature of -170 degrees Celius. The container consists of a lower portion where the oxygen is in a liquid state and a smaller upper portion where the liquid has evaporated creating a gas. if you follow the regulations DOT then you can send them by air, and sorry we did delete you new message but that was a misstake, so i hope you are happy with my answer, have a great day

quote:

Thank you for answering, Saeed. Really appreciate you answering questions people ask. Could you tell us how long you can store the containers? In other words, if my friends and I order the Triton how long can we wait before we have to go use them before the liquid oxygen gets too warm? THANKS!

Al!
Apr 2, 2010

:coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot:

surebet posted:

apparently they're opting for a keurig business plan


so like 40$ per 15 minutes underwater even if it doesn't freeze or explode your face off

hmm, could i also have the individual bottles delivered by a quadrotor drone

The Eyes Have It
Feb 10, 2008

Third Eye Sees All
...snookums
You guys have it all wrong, going all this poo poo totally works patent pending etc etc HOWEVER since it is impossible BY LAW to ship or store liquid oxygen we're hamstrung by LAWS STIFLING INNOVATION so we have to give up, big government keeping us down well we tried and we made it work but circumstances out of our control etc might be their golden ticket.


e: you know like in the 70s some guy made an engine that gets 200 miles to the gallon and GM bought the company and disappeared it

Cocoa Crispies
Jul 20, 2001

Vehicular Manslaughter!

Pillbug

flexible funding, so they'll be able to put away a lot of dewar's

Elysiume
Aug 13, 2009

Alone, she fights.

quote:

Hi Mark, the liquid oxygen is kept in insulated containers (called dewars). These keep the oxygen in liquid form at a temperature of -170 degrees Celius.
I like how this project isn't even selling the most impressive components directly--the perfect insulation and the ultrahigh density battery

surebet
Jan 10, 2013

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the regulator this thing would need, never mind in the form factor it's advertising, would also be game changing

yippee cahier
Mar 28, 2005

do they make mini scuba systems with 1-2L tanks, as a sort of snorkelling assist system? i'd be in to that at the beach

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sund posted:

do they make mini scuba systems with 1-2L tanks, as a sort of snorkelling assist system? i'd be in to that at the beach

they make pony bottles with regs on them, but they're mainly for use in emergencies

Jonny 290
May 5, 2005



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heres one intended for emergencies i think



basically its a solved problem

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note: using one of these for a snorkel-like scenario would actually be a really loving good way to pop a lung

Maluco Marinero
Jan 18, 2001

Damn that's a
fine elephant.
yah, if you're snorkelling, learn to snorkel. if you're scuba diving, get proper kit.

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Trig Discipline posted:

note: using one of these for a snorkel-like scenario would actually be a really loving good way to pop a lung

reason being that you're breathing compressed air, so surfacing (or just moving upward in the water column) without exhaling causes gas in the air to expand. that can lead to a popped lung if you don't exhale while ascending. same happens in scuba, but you have a buoyancy controller or dry suit to keep you neutrally buoyant so you don't have sudden changes in depth. if you're snorking around, you're going up and down constantly. forgetting to exhale at the right time just once could send you to the hospital or morgue pretty quick

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related note: closest i have come to getting seriously injured diving was an uncontrollable buoyancy issue with a dry suit. i literally felt my chest tighten as my lungs expanded a bit, then realized what was happening and immediately exhaled as hard as i could. i wasn't hurt at all but i was :stare: for the rest of the day

kitten emergency
Jan 13, 2008

get meow this wack-ass crystal prison
scuba seems like one of those things where man looked at the most inhospitable conditions for survival and said imma gently caress that thing up

The Eyes Have It
Feb 10, 2008

Third Eye Sees All
...snookums

Trig Discipline posted:

related note: closest i have come to getting seriously injured diving was an uncontrollable buoyancy issue with a dry suit. i literally felt my chest tighten as my lungs expanded a bit, then realized what was happening and immediately exhaled as hard as i could. i wasn't hurt at all but i was :stare: for the rest of the day

poo poo I'm :stare: just reading that.

Al!
Apr 2, 2010

:coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot:
the project will be quietly covered up and all the donors turning up mysteriously drowned wearing odd masks will be thought to be a cult suicide until a whistleblower drops a dime but is murdered before he can turn up to the meet:doink:

Elysiume
Aug 13, 2009

Alone, she fights.

Trig Discipline posted:

related note: closest i have come to getting seriously injured diving was an uncontrollable buoyancy issue with a dry suit. i literally felt my chest tighten as my lungs expanded a bit, then realized what was happening and immediately exhaled as hard as i could. i wasn't hurt at all but i was :stare: for the rest of the day
uncontrollable buoyancy = start floating too fast to control and get super-bends?

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Elysiume posted:

uncontrollable buoyancy = start floating too fast to control and get super-bends?

we weren't deep enough for bends to be a serious issue, but yeah it could definitely do that. you can pop a lung on compressed air in 5-10 ft of water though

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in my case it was actually a slow leak of air into my drysuit that was making me more and more buoyant. i was dumping air at regular intervals but got busy writing on my slate for some transects we were running and didn't notice i was floating up. you tend to hold your breath when you concentrate, which is not a thing you typically notice. floating up + holding breath = bad

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May 5, 2005



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Trig Discipline posted:

i was dumping air at regular intervals

stealing this

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