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So I looked at the stat card updates and have two questions. 1. What's the purpose of corvettes? I thought it was Air to Air attacks, but the Scourge one doesn't seem to have that. 2. Are there any typos in the Dragon Battleship's statline? It looks like some numbers may have gotten transposed.
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Yeah those will be typos. I'll correct them next week, or this weekend if I can find a free vector graphic editor (to edit Illustrator/PDF files). Corvettes are the only thing with air to air weapons, so they're meant to counter dropship spam, because bombers can't go in atmosphere.
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Apr 1, 2016 18:55
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Incy posted:I am super interested in this and would go.
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Ugleb posted:As far as I know the current show model is a double decker battle bus. Unless there is a new thing being released under cover of stealth they haven't announced. And my insider wasn't able to pick one up before they sold out this week. If anyone else picked one or two up for resale wants to see them go to a goonhome where they'll be painted and loved and played, hit me up.
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Incy posted:I am super interested in this and would go. If you're in the area, it's worth joining the facebook group and asking around for a game - there's quite a few of us on there, usually someone will be around to game.. and you Might actaually get to see that Rarest of events.. Flipswitch Actaully Playing A Game !
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Renfield posted:If you're in the area, it's worth joining the facebook group and asking around for a game - there's quite a few of us on there, usually someone will be around to game.. and you Might actaually get to see that Rarest of events.. Sadly I'm not really in the area, but I regularly make trips to Firestorm to play warmachine events. I think it is difficult to justify the time for a single day event.
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Renfield posted:If you're in the area, it's worth joining the facebook group and asking around for a game - there's quite a few of us on there, usually someone will be around to game.. and you Might actaually get to see that Rarest of events.. Played more than you in the last two weeks!! Incy posted:Sadly I'm not really in the area, but I regularly make trips to Firestorm to play warmachine events. I think it is difficult to justify the time for a single day event.
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I suspect if you go to wargaming events at all then you have probably met other goons and not realised it.
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Ugleb posted:I suspect if you go to wargaming events at all then you have probably met other goons and not realised it. This is very true. I know I've met you without realising it. Grey Hunter too.
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Ugleb posted:I suspect if you go to wargaming events at all then you have probably met other goons and not realised it. 
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Loxbourne posted:This is very true. I know I've met you without realising it. I tend to go to tourneys with my Avatar on a T-shirt (part of a sort of bet with my RPG group on how long it will take for someone to recognize the croctapus. But yeah, if you've been to Invasion in the last year, you may well have met Ugleb and I.
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Flipswitch, did you just post in the DZC Community group on FB? I've posted a bunch in there as well - pictures of the beta games and stuff like that - but only since the beta day. Is anyone going to Salute? I just got the OK and will be stopping by the Hawk stand but I don't think there's anything I need until DFC comes out.
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krushgroove posted:Flipswitch, did you just post in the DZC Community group on FB? Yes mate. Feel free to shoot me a friend request so I can get some visual ID and buy you a pint when you're down my neck of the woods.  Also, how are the factions rated by AA. Don't have my book but I'm trying to gauge what is nasty and what isn't, especially for my Seraphim as I know they're heavily armoured compared to most. Flipswitch fucked around with this message at 16:53 on Apr 3, 2016 |
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So I've finally heard back from one of the Hawk team, Simon has given me the blessing to share the Dropbox link for DFC: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/kmc06v7gx43z74n/AAAy9yjW5tiDVh9OpD00anzWa?dl=0 I can share these as long as I don't charge for them or share any rules. I've shared it before in this thread but now I feel better about doing so The UCM and PHR ship stat cards have ship pictures on them, I might do a colored background but ehhh - I need to proofread for typos on the Scourge and Shaltari before adding pictures of their ships. I also made small (FFG yellow sleeve size, if you're familiar with Armada or X-Wing) cards for UCM to trial, this is mostly for me, as I appreciate a physical layout of ships in battlegroups when making a fleet. One of the small cards has the battlefleet assembly diagram to help lay out the fleet, those are the only rules that are on the cards.
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krushgroove posted:So I've finally heard back from one of the Hawk team, Simon has given me the blessing to share the Dropbox link for DFC: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/kmc06v7gx43z74n/AAAy9yjW5tiDVh9OpD00anzWa?dl=0 I can share these as long as I don't charge for them or share any rules. Are you able to share about what point values the different levels, Skrimish, Clash, Battle are? Also this stuff is awesome. Another question, are they really doing odd things with shaltari points making stuff 38 and 43 points? or are those typos? Pash fucked around with this message at 16:17 on Apr 6, 2016 |
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I hope the Beijing's got a typo in the stat line, otherwise it seems seriously undergunned for a battleship. It's outgunned by UCM heavy cruisers!
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Are you able to share about what point values the different levels, Skrimish, Clash, Battle are? Off the top of my head, they are roughly 750, 1000 and 1500, but I could be wrong. I haven't played much DZC but it seems they want to keep things in the same points ranges. Also this stuff is awesome. Thanks! I'm planning to make more, just need a bit more time at work. Another question, are they really doing odd things with shaltari points making stuff 38 and 43 points? or are those typos? Nope, that's part of the complexity of Shaltari... Loxbourne posted:I hope the Beijing's got a typo in the stat line, otherwise it seems seriously undergunned for a battleship. It's outgunned by UCM heavy cruisers!
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krushgroove posted:Are you able to share about what point values the different levels, Skrimish, Clash, Battle are? Are those min or max? In DZC it's 500-999 for Skirmish, 1000-1999 (usually 1500) for Clash, and 2000-3000 (usually 2500) for Battle. EDIT: While reading through the first DZC book, it notes that the Scourge sometimes use energy shields for large vehicles. Is that a thing that got dropped, or will there be an option to put energy shields on command vehicles and such in Reconquest Phase 2?
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wdarkk posted:EDIT: While reading through the first DZC book, it notes that the Scourge sometimes use energy shields for large vehicles. Is that a thing that got dropped, or will there be an option to put energy shields on command vehicles and such in Reconquest Phase 2? I think it got dropped, or at least hasn't appeared yet. I guess it may have started out as being a thing but ended up as the skimmer bonus?
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There's a throwaway line in the UCM technology section of the core book that says active countermeasures on heavy UCM vehicles are energy shields too. I'm guessing the setting just moved away from that as time went on.
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Loxbourne posted:There's a throwaway line in the UCM technology section of the core book that says active countermeasures on heavy UCM vehicles are energy shields too. I'm guessing the setting just moved away from that as time went on. I think it just explains how active countermeasures work. You can't just strap explosives on your vehicles all the time.
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ERA'd up Sabres would look very loving cool though. Speaking of which, I've started running 6 Sabres to go back to using them over just my Katanas and I'm finding that they're way better the more you get of them, especially with being able to shoot over each other. Am I the only one to find this? I'm trying to figure the best way to support Sabres and I'm thinking Longbows and smoking them, basically like Gladius bricks.
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A brick of Sabres is a decent plan IMO. Unless you do what Grey and I did in our early games and just ram a heavy dropship full of sabres into a heavy dropship full of Hunters. It was the least subtle game ever but stuff did explode.
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That was our first 1500 point game I think. It was not one for tactical subtlety. I'm looking forward trying an overseer boosting a brick of nine hunters.
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Ugleb posted:A brick of Sabres is a decent plan IMO. Unless you do what Grey and I did in our early games and just ram a heavy dropship full of sabres into a heavy dropship full of Hunters.
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One of the Admirals for Dropfleet posted another battlereport. He is super down on the strength of PHR broadsides and thinks that Scourge close action stuff is broken good right now. Any other admirals here have any thoughts on this?
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Yah, he's on the DZC FB group and we're in a FB chat group together. He is VERY down on the power of PHR but I think he's overselling it a bit. He's disappointed that it's not easy to broadside opponents with both sides of a PHR ship without getting blasted, which...you just won't be able to do that very often in a battle. Also, his opponent is a Scourge player so I'm not sure if that's skewing his view too much. My Admiral friend is a PHR player and I'm a UCM player, and I think the PHR bombers are really strong (which he agrees with) and the ships are too...but I'm not a great player so I will think that. All of the feedback goes to Hawk Simon though, and they keep track of win/loss ratios at the beta days, so I'm confident things will be tweaked appropriately. The FB chat group is actually pretty decent if you take a step away from it and ignore the details a bit, with some (supposedly) pretty good players, and the proposals coming out of it seem to be decent, like dropping a particular rule here or there or increasing points for certain ships. Coming from a 40K setting the amount of feedback they're taking in is phenomenal, just the fact they're doing closed beta testing is fabulous, and no one complains about the DZC rules, so I'm not going to worry too much about it.
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krushgroove posted:Yah, he's on the DZC FB group and we're in a FB chat group together. He is VERY down on the power of PHR but I think he's overselling it a bit. He's disappointed that it's not easy to broadside opponents with both sides of a PHR ship without getting blasted, which...you just won't be able to do that very often in a battle. Also, his opponent is a Scourge player so I'm not sure if that's skewing his view too much. My Admiral friend is a PHR player and I'm a UCM player, and I think the PHR bombers are really strong (which he agrees with) and the ships are too...but I'm not a great player so I will think that. Ya, I'm not concerned, it was just that he spent like 15 minutes of his 30 minute battle report complaining about the Broadsides and the scourge close action. He knows carriers are good for PHR, he just seems to want other options. I'm not entirely sure yet looking at stuff what the optimal fleet building strategies will be on whether to go combined arms or try to spam what you are good at.
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I recently went all in on Eldar in 40K because of their crazy D weapons, plus I've spent years with lame duck armies, but I don't want DFC to be a 'spam what you're good at' game. I'm hoping the Battlegroup setup rules and other things come into play to make a combination of things work for every faction.
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krushgroove posted:I'm hoping the Battlegroup setup rules and other things come into play to make a combination of things work for every faction. Make sure you mention that to Hawk, I think most of us want that.
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krushgroove posted:I'm hoping the Battlegroup setup rules and other things come into play to make a combination of things work for every faction. Ya, I hope for this two. Right now looking at the PHR it looks like to be competitive they should just spam carriers and maybe torpedos and ignore most of the rest of their shooting. The others I see as having more flexible options currently and I can see multiple builds being good, PHR is my concern currently.
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So does the idea of phr packing more firepower per ship between their broadsides just not carry onto the field then?
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Loxbourne posted:PHR broadsides roll lots of dice, but their to-hit numbers are markedly higher than UCM or Scourge ones. I thought Calibre was supposed to give them a bonus against a specific type of target.
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wdarkk posted:I thought Calibre was supposed to give them a bonus against a specific type of target. It makes a big difference if you can get the matchup right. They do feel a *little* weak if you are forced to go for only one side (or the front guns) against a target they don't have Caliber against. Man, the fact that they can take one or two more hits before rolling on the crit table is HUGE though. I'd say the worse thing is that PHR have a small ship that has a bombardment cannon. It feels really weak because there are 40K levels of rolling involved to see if you injured a single tank, and the odds of the ship doing anything is small. But hey, that's why it is in beta!
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I feel like Hawk will always have one thing that has entirely too much rolling. In DZC, it's CQB (and falling masonry to a lesser extent) but in DFC it's bombardment it seems.
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I would be quite happy if they halved the number of dice used in CQB but lowered the target numbers. How does calibre work then?
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Ugleb posted:I would be quite happy if they halved the number of dice used in CQB but lowered the target numbers. From what I have gathered watching a couple battle reports Light Calibre gun improve your to hit number by 1 vs small ships (frigates and corvettes) and heavy calibre improve your to hit against large ships (heavy crusiers, battle cruisers, and battleships). I dont think medium calibre actually do anything special.
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Do any of the groups pan out to have the whole Eldar super mobile glass cannon thing going on? I covered my bases by grabbing all four factions, but without beta access I don't have a good idea for how any of them play.
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Valatar posted:Do any of the groups pan out to have the whole Eldar super mobile glass cannon thing going on? I covered my bases by grabbing all four factions, but without beta access I don't have a good idea for how any of them play. I'm not sure if its Scourge or Shaltari. Scourge get up close via stealth then melt face. Shaltari get their gate shenanigans with infantry deployment and are/were going to be brittle ships with those long range ion(?) cannons that cause major spikes when fired. The twist being that Shaltari also get their shields up mechanic which is meant to dramatically boost their durability when active.
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