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not to imply this is the only reason why people defend tfa or anything — given that i prefer to think of other humans as whole beings with their own subjectivity — but there was a massive movie-industrial complex behind it that basically told star wars fans "YOU WILL LIKE THIS THING" nonstop, 24/7, with maximum saturation. should people feeling a strong, personal connection to it after such a campaign be surprising?
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High Lord Elbow posted:I hope Episode 8 reveals that Rey actually failed hard in TFA when Luke chastises her for giving in to hate when she lost her poo poo on Kylo. You can almost hear Sheev cackling with glee at her murderous rage. "Yeah, well, I'm alive unlike the rest of your students, you old queen."
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Homework Explainer posted:is that thought countermanded by anything in the prequels, besides the jedi asserting their own position? i admit i haven't watched them in a while. It does nothing to either suggest OR countermand this thought. It's a perfectly valid fan theory, but the intended twist was that Anakin fulfilled the prophecy when he killed the Emprah. Y Kant Ozma Diet posted:He's still got a good track record I think. Despite the general smuggery of prequel defenders in this thread I still dig them (the prequels I mean). 
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THX is great, and I love the moment where there's an awesome car chase out of nowhere and it's like, "oh, yeah, George Lucas."
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NTRabbit posted:They may as well have called them Flash Gordon, and the Return of Flash Gordon for all the resemblance they bore to actual Star Trek. He had absolutely no idea what he was doing, and that's born out in everything from the story, through the visuals, and down to the miscasting. Karl Urban is the only one who got close to it. No? It's literally just an episode of original Star Trek but this time with actual special effects and a huge budget. Of course none of the characters are the same as in the original TV show because this is when they just graduated from the academy. Kirk is still young and inexperienced. When the TV show started, Kirk was a decorated officer of Star Fleet who was well respected. ST09 takes place long before that.
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I said come in! posted:No? It's literally just an episode of original Star Trek but this time with actual special effects and a huge budget and replacing all of the story and nuance with special effects and action scenes. Take away the names and put them in a different shaped ship, and there was nothing at all in there that resembled Star Trek. Abrams just did not understand the IP, and it's blatantly obvious.
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NTRabbit posted:So do I - hopefully it leans a lot more on what Star Wars Rebels is doing, because that's currently the best Star Wars going around, it leaves TFA in its wake. http://i.imgur.com/ySUsp1M.webm Nah just kidding, silly repulsorlift spin-sabers aside, Rebels is pretty good, IMO. "TFA in its wake" good, maybe not though.
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Galaga Galaxian posted:http://i.imgur.com/ySUsp1M.webm We try not to talk about the Inquisicoptors 
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Rebels is so ugly though Also I haven't watched it recently but did they rez Maul again or something wtf
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Beam Rotors are cool. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJ4HsHt09V0
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Homework Explainer posted:he's a competent director but has yet to develop anything resembling a visual style or thematic through line. at least nolan and snyder are consistently fascist, abrams could only manage one nazi propaganda movie before returning to beige non-politics. I'd take whatever Abrams is over Snyder's "consistently bad" any day of the week, thanks
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NTRabbit posted:and replacing all of the story and nuance with special effects and action scenes. Take away the names and put them in a different shaped ship, and there was nothing at all in there that resembled Star Trek. Abrams just did not understand the IP, and it's blatantly obvious. What story? Original Star Trek was about beating up fake looking costume lizards. Nothing really got interesting until the original movies came out. The Next Generation had all of the nuance and character. The best thing about original ST was the diverse cast of characters.
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Homework Explainer posted:not to imply this is the only reason why people defend tfa or anything — given that i prefer to think of other humans as whole beings with their own subjectivity — but there was a massive movie-industrial complex behind it that basically told star wars fans "YOU WILL LIKE THIS THING" nonstop, 24/7, with maximum saturation. should people feeling a strong, personal connection to it after such a campaign be surprising? The only opinion that I have trouble accepting in this thread (and this does not appear to apply to you) is 'it was entertaining, but empty and meaningless and poorly made'. Then how on earth was it entertaining? Did people, *gasp*, turn off their brains??
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turtlecrunch posted:Rebels is so ugly though Maul is the cockroach of the Star Wars universe, he'll never die.
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turtlecrunch posted:Rebels is so ugly though Maul was still alive at the end of Clone Wars. This was just his return.
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turtlecrunch posted:Rebels is so ugly though He survived the Clone Wars tv show, got a new disney canon novel called Son of Dathomir (that told what would have been his story in the cancelled Clone Wars season) which he also lived through, and then appeared in the Rebels season 2 finale, which he also survived, because Galaga Galaxian posted:Maul is the cockroach of the Star Wars universe, he'll never die.
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Galaga Galaxian posted:Maul is the
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The real question is, knowing he's free now and J J Abrams is a fan, when do we get a Hideo Kojima Star Wars video game/movie?
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jivjov posted:I like who you're just the sole arbiter of if my examples are "good enough"'or not. Whatever. Don't go see Rogue One. I don't really care. This isn't hard. Just look at your examples, and ask yourself, "Do these elements significantly complicate or expand the story thas come before?". You didn't even pick the most interesting parts of TFA, which makes me question if you actually like The Force Awakens. For example, the cold war is barely explored, so it's hardly interesting. Let's look at some of the more interesting aspects of the story: There's a heroic stormtrooper... but he defects immediately, thus simplifying the story. Father and son are different sides of a conflict... but this was already in the OT. A legendary jedi master and war hero is hiding in obscurity... but Obi-Wan already filled that role. BravestOfTheLamps fucked around with this message at 19:53 on Apr 7, 2016 |
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turtlecrunch posted:Rebels is so ugly though Clone Wars did, which is good because Maul is the best
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Oh I guess it was his brother that got killed in Clone Wars thenGalaga Galaxian posted:Maul is the cockroach of the Star Wars universe, he'll never die. Still accurate though.
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Gosh what a shame we won't be seeing any more of ol' SAVAGE OPPRESS, the best named character of all time.
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Havelock Ellis posted:I'm just gonna say again that Donnie Yen as Space Zatoichi is cool and v. Lucas. Gareth Edwards is also good, this will be a good film. Agreedo. I like Gareth Edwards' other movies, and most other Star Wars movies, so I expect to enjoy this one as well. I have also enjoyed Donnie Yen and Forest Whitaker in movies. This movie has a lot going for it in my opinion. Galaga Galaxian posted:Maul is the cockroach of the Star Wars universe, he'll never die. Seriously. He's approaching Apophis from Stargate levels of "no-one could have survived that!". OB_Juan fucked around with this message at 20:01 on Apr 7, 2016 |
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CelticPredator posted:Look at this visual story telling. Look at it and be amazed. So this dude is gonna betray everyone right? 
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TheKingofSprings posted:I'd take whatever Abrams is over Snyder's "consistently bad" any day of the week, thanks i dunno how you got "snyder is better" from that, but whatever
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:This isn't hard. Just look at your examples, and ask yourself, "Do these elements significantly complicate or expand the story thas come before?". The problem is that you wanted the movie to be one thing and it was something else entirely. The fault is with you, not the film. Finn was great because instead of showing him escaping from the First Order, it explores him discovering his humanity for the first time. The most interesting thing about him was the subtext of how he feels he has to lie and cling onto people, clearly an effect of the abuse he endured while being conditioned to be a stormtrooper for the First Order. He is a survivor of slavery and abuse, making him the most interesting stormtrooper in the movies.
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Dexo posted:So this dude is gonna betray everyone right? Absolutely. You can see a a lot of rings double crossing behind him.
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:This isn't hard. Just look at your examples, and ask yourself, "Do these elements significantly complicate or expand the story thas come before?". Yes, I loved the Force Awakens.
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Dexo posted:So this dude is gonna betray everyone right? He's gonna touch a titty
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I said come in! posted:The problem is that you wanted the movie to be one thing How so? I didn't say I wanted Finn to remain with the First Order or whatever. I said that TFA doesn't add to the story of Star Wars, exemplified by how the "heroic stormtrooper" angle doesn't really complicate or expand the story. jivjov posted:Yes, I loved the Force Awakens. Yet you are unable to say what there is to like about it. It seems you're trying to convince yourself more than me. BravestOfTheLamps fucked around with this message at 20:11 on Apr 7, 2016 |
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:How so? Your examples don't matter.
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I said come in! posted:Your examples don't matter. Yes? That's what I said. What TFA brings to the table ultimately doesn't matter, because it's all recycled.
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:Yet you are unable to say what there is to like about it. It seems you're trying to convince yourself more than me. As if it weren't before, your autism is reaching critical mass.
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:Yes? That's what I said. What TFA brings to the table ultimately doesn't matter, because it's all recycled. No it's not, other then a few minor themes, TFA brings tons of original ideas. You just chose not to see that, again that's your problem. TFA brings whole new characters to the universe, but that's not what you personally wanted, you don't want a character driven saga even though that is what Star Wars is all about. You want the politics and the behind the scenes stuff explained, you're gonna have to get that in other material tho. TFA is about Rey and Finn. I said come in! fucked around with this message at 20:15 on Apr 7, 2016 |
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A black storm trooper who is a main speaking character? Recycled, ham handed , bantha doo doo!!
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Galaga Galaxian posted:http://i.imgur.com/ySUsp1M.webm Did anyone stop for a second to ask why spinning blades would lift you up?
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I said come in! posted:TFA brings tons of original ideas. Give examples. Anakin and Luke were already heroes who escaped from destitution, and in Anakin's case from slavery, and joined a cause. e: quote:TFA brings whole new characters to the universe, Please name the ones that don't just fill a role defined in the previous movies (i.e., "whole new"). quote:TFA brings whole new characters to the universe, but that's not what you personally wanted, you don't want a character driven saga even though that is what Star Wars is all about. Where did I not want that? BravestOfTheLamps fucked around with this message at 20:18 on Apr 7, 2016 |
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euphronius posted:A black storm trooper who is a main speaking character? The making of documentary confirmed there are even other female stormtroopers besides Captain Phasma.
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I said come in! posted:The making of documentary confirmed there are even other female stormtroopers besides Captain Phasma. Millennial diversity tokenism does not make a sequel great!
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kiimo posted:Did anyone stop for a second to ask why spinning blades would lift you up? Yeah, which is why it's repulsors in the handle or some poo poo
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