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RiotGearEpsilon posted:People who have weird toxic opinions are less willing to shell out 10bux for the privilege of posting on a web forum? Taking a gander around some of these other fine subforums, I find this to be incredibly untrue.
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Dr. Quarex posted:In other words, I am absolutely positive that the average men's rights activist is more likely to cause harm to the average woman than is the average terrorist. Even if obviously the level of harm the terrorist seeks to inflict is much more publicly devastating. Kai Tave posted:I'm sure that there are plenty, but like you also have all those dudes hosting creepshot/revenge porn sites and the ones I've heard about at least have been adults, that guy who had the creepshot subreddit that was the subject of an internet expose was married and had kids for example. Swatting in particular seems to involve a lot of teenagers because it's closely associated with things like Twitch video game streaming. Bedlamdan posted:This thread raises a lot of good questions about what a company can do when one consumer of their products harasses a fellow consumer of the same products.
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ProfessorCirno posted:RPGsite's problem is that, quite frankly, no, they haven't been kicked out. One look at the D&D 5e books could tell you that immediately. Well, at least it's the most marginalized and  version of D&D.
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Though there are people who work for major publishers and such who actually care about having a non-terrible gaming scene, it's kind of mind boggling how many there are who are pretty much blind to people showing generally horrific behavior. The guy who's currently in charge of D&D is a human being capable of looking at the writings of Those Two Guys and somehow wrongly concluding that they're people a professional company should be working with in any capacity.RiotGearEpsilon posted:People who have weird toxic opinions are less willing to shell out 10bux for the privilege of posting on a web forum?  thing doesn't mean SA has no shitheads at all, but there genuinely are a lot of lovely people that list it as the main reason they haven't signed up.
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Guilty Spork posted:Though there are people who work for major publishers and such who actually care about having a non-terrible gaming scene, it's kind of mind boggling how many there are who are pretty much blind to people showing generally horrific behavior. The guy who's currently in charge of D&D is a human being capable of looking at the writings of Those Two Guys and somehow wrongly concluding that they're people a professional company should be working with in any capacity The actual reason is that Mike Mearls is just as much a shithead as they are. The problem isn't "Mearls was fooled into thinking they'd be good for the company," the problem is "Mearls is actually a representative of this industry in the first place." He absolutely stands by every lovely thing they've done.
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Halloween Jack posted:According to the federal government, you're more likely to be killed by a white, male, right-wing terrorist than by a Muslim one.
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Lemon-Lime posted:Right, but if you marginalise them enough, the toxic attitude stands a better chance of dying out, since it has fewer people to infect. I mean, maybe in 10-20 years that'll happen, but for the near future we're stuck with these idiots making GBS threads up the scene. ProfessorCirno posted:Yeah, except a large enough number of people from RPGsite have accounts at ENWorld. That was my point. We can TRY to marginalize them, but we'd need a concerted effort from the non-toxic side of things and as we're all pretty aware of by now, the non-toxic side is lazy as gently caress about making things better.
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RiotGearEpsilon posted:People who have weird toxic opinions are less willing to shell out 10bux for the privilege of posting on a web forum? Oh my no
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The paywall was never about enforcing correct opinions, it's just for stopping gamefaqs 12 year olds.
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Really it's more that the moderation of SA is more willing to casually probate and ban idiots without worrying about whether the person in question is technically inside some sprawling set of rules or not. Or in other words,dwarf74 posted:ENWorld is basically run on tone policing. You can say whatever you want so long as you're not mean about it, no matter how mean/gross your actual content is. And yeah the paywall tends to keep out literal kids.
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chaos rhames posted:The paywall was never about enforcing correct opinions, it's just for stopping gamefaqs 12 year olds. I thought it was more about enriching Lowtax on their anger. I mean it's not a bad business plan and gives people brief breaks from shitheads. I mean yeah it will keep out literal kids for whom :tenbux: is a serious allotment of their resources.
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The director for D&D also released this statement:quote:To our community,
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The heart seems to be in the right place, but that excerpt could be better worded.
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Meanwhile they literally hired people from that same group doing all the harassing and actively defended them from any consequences to their harassment, so hey, not loving really buying it.
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ProfessorCirno posted:Meanwhile they literally hired people from that same group doing all the harassing and actively defended them from any consequences to their harassment, so hey, not loving really buying it.
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ProfessorCirno posted:Meanwhile they literally hired people from that same group doing all the harassing and actively defended them from any consequences to their harassment, so hey, not loving really buying it.  gradenko_2000 posted:I'm more than a little dismayed that Zak S releasing a new product gets play in the hobby's news.
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paradoxGentleman posted:How do you folks stay up to date in regards of RPG news? 1. Follow the best goons on Twitter. 2. Get in on one of the giant encircling posts on G+ -- Epidiah Ravichol does about one a year, I think. 3. Hang out on the Trad Games subforum of something awful dot com. And now anything that happens in RPGs, I hear about from at least two sources.
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potatocubed posted:1. Follow the best goons on Twitter.
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gradenko_2000 posted:I'm more than a little dismayed that Zak S releasing a new product gets play in the hobby's news. Well, there was a lot of hype for Batman v Superman.
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Probably the worst "feature" of G+ is how any conversation that mentions a TG shitbird all-star invariably summons them to pop in and sealion the gently caress out of it by the end of the day.
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moths posted:Probably the worst "feature" of G+ is how any conversation that mentions a TG shitbird all-star invariably summons them to pop in and sealion the gently caress out of it by the end of the day. e: I know people here laugh at G+ because of the "echo chamber" factor, but it's the only social media I use specifically because I can control who I can see and who can see me. That's come in very handy for reasons I'm not comfortable getting into but are good for my stress levels.
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moths posted:Probably the worst "feature" of G+ is how any conversation that mentions a TG shitbird all-star invariably summons them to pop in and sealion the gently caress out of it by the end of the day. We used to have that problem with one particular shitbird, but then we remembered that you can block people from a community. Now we just get to watch him cry desperately for attention on twitter and facebook and it's glorious.
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I don't much use Twitter for TG chat after once disparaging a known shithead in a PM, which accidentally summoned him and Twitter notifying me of failed hack attempts on my account. E: that looks like I'm trying to one up you, I'm agreeing that social media is infected. moths fucked around with this message at 15:33 on Apr 8, 2016 |
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Since "advice for people trying to be involved in the industry and not gently caress it up" comes up every once in a while, here's some advice from Jeff Tidball... http://www.jefftidball.com/posts/budget-game-projects-well
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moths posted:I don't much use Twitter for TG chat after once disparaging a known shithead in a PM, which accidentally summoned him and Twitter notifying me of failed hack attempts on my account. Does TG stand for Traditional Games in this context?
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kaynorr posted:Since "advice for people trying to be involved in the industry and not gently caress it up" comes up every once in a while, here's some advice from Jeff Tidball... I liked this article a lot. Thanks!
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Oh, yes it does. Does TG have a different meaning elsewhere?
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LordSaturn posted:Does TG stand for Traditional Games in this context? Yes. Twitter has a very active trans community, for what it's worth.
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Only took 19 posts... http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?483106-We-re-All-Gamers-Together-Why-Harassment-Has-To-Stop
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dwarf74 posted:Only took 19 posts... Burn it all to the ground and shove the ashes into the ocean.
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dwarf74 posted:Only took 19 posts... At least everyone else in the thread is telling that one guy off (well, so far anyways).
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gtrmp posted:At least everyone else in the thread is telling that one guy off (well, so far anyways). I'm waiting for someone to take a bold, pro-harassment stance.
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quote:Honestly this sounds just like another progressive hit piece against white men, equipped with trigger warnings and demands that the only acceptable reaction is to "listen and believe" and be an ally. Is there any horrible societal ill white males aren't responsible for? It's also puzzling to me the few people here who've commented how rampant this sort of thing is. I can only imagine two possibilities, either most of this community is perfectly ok with women being harassed or most of this community isn't ok with it but sat back and did nothing. I don't think either option speaks well of our community. Is it really this bad? Don't get me wrong, one incident is too many. But one expects when a hobby is this wide spread that you're going to run into this sort of thing almost by default. Pick any hobby, sports group, heck even religious organization and you'll see stuff like this. I don't think its as much of a "gamer issue" as it is just a "human issue". Bolded for 
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That bolded quote sounds perfectly accurate though! Just in the exact opposite way they meant it.
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I dunno, the whole bit about chalk writings was really pretty bad. I thought while reading the news reports, "Great, now regressive idiots have a new dumb example to make legitimate concerns look dumb by placing them side by side." Which, yes, just happened.
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The chalk writings thing didn't trigger anyone or lead to counseling of any kind. No one involved went to counseling, nobody involved used the phrases "safe space," "triggered," or "traumatized." All that happened was some students protested pro-Trump vandalism at their school. Everything else was added in later by the reporters, and the exaggerated reports blew up on social media. So no, it really wasn't 'pretty bad.' It was blown out of proportion by sensationalist journalists wanting to make crybabies out of reasonable adults just because they're young millennials.
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