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Kilroy posted:The people in this thread aren't being that rude to you - it's more that you're just incredibly thin-skinned. I mean, the treatment you're getting is nothing compared to what would be coming your way if you were some kind of homophobe or bigot or something else that actually mattered instead of just having laughably wrong and anachronistic intuitions about how the universe works. See also: War on Christmas, the Gay Menace, Obummer's war on the religious.
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Crowsbeak posted:As I said I was suggesting that he and you likewise are rather poor arguments for atheism.
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Apr 9, 2016 18:00
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Kilroy posted:You realize that a person can't be an argument for or against atheism, or for that matter most anything else, right? Like if Einstein was an rear end in a top hat we'd still have to learn about relativity in physics class, and being the nicest person in the world isn't going to stop you from falling to your death if you jump off a cliff. That's what happens when you stop arguing based on reason and evidence and start arguing based on personal preference. It's not like we want everyone to join Team Atheist because we have free cookies.
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Apr 9, 2016 18:01
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blowfish posted:That's what happens when you stop arguing based on reason and evidence and start arguing based on personal preference.
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Apr 9, 2016 18:10
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blowfish posted:t's not like we want everyone to join Team Atheist because we have free cookies.
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Apr 9, 2016 18:11
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I've still not seen anything posted in this thread substantively saying God is more moral than Hitler by his actual action The Gnostics had the right idea. That's why the early church repressed them. Christianity has always been ruthlessly intolerant. Panzeh fucked around with this message at 18:20 on Apr 9, 2016 |
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Apr 9, 2016 18:17
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Crowsbeak posted:1. Yeah not really being that its about Man being like the spiritual nature of God. Our "spiritual nature" is explained through science. There's no reason to incorporate a totally unnecessary additional layer of explanation involving extracosmic nonsense. quote:2. What determines determinism? Um. You can read a variety of books and articles on cosmology, multiverse theory, etc., if you're craving an explanation of the origins of the universe. Beyond that first starting point (and the claim that there is a particular starting point to spacetime is hugely controversial), determinism determines determinism. quote:3. Yes Origen living in 2nd century Alexandria is very modern. Lol. Haha, hey, remember that time when abortion was a cardinal sin? 
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Apr 9, 2016 18:20
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blowfish posted:Materialism is cool and good. Perhaps we but the majority arguing for it in the thread are making poor arguments for it. Kilroy posted:Who do I push away from atheism? I actually know a few people who became atheist due to my influence and have remained so for decades. And I wasn't even trying to "convert" anyone!
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Apr 9, 2016 18:22
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Panzeh posted:I've still not seen anything posted in this thread substantively saying God is more moral than Hitler by his actual action The Gnostics died out for not being popular. Sorry you cannot deal with history Peta posted:Our "spiritual nature" is explained through science. There's no reason to incorporate a totally unnecessary additional layer of explanation involving extracosmic nonsense. 2. I have didn't find them any more convincing also do you have any evidence of a multiverse? 3. It is a sin and one involved will have to deal with their actions.
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Apr 9, 2016 18:27
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Crowsbeak posted:The fact you cannot read is not my fault. As I said I was suggesting that he and you likewise are rather poor arguments for atheism. Sorry that you choose to not understand that. Yes, I'm well aware that you lied about your intent when called out on what you said. But of course someone who thinks all rules are literal chattel slavery has no qualms about lying.
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blowfish posted:That's what happens when you stop arguing based on reason and evidence and start arguing based on personal preference. Who What Now posted:Yes, I'm well aware that you lied about your intent when called out on what you said. But of course someone who thinks all rules are literal chattel slavery has no qualms about lying. I didn't I was arguing from a point of hyperbole. The fact you cannot understand this is rather hilarious. Crowsbeak fucked around with this message at 18:42 on Apr 9, 2016 |
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Apr 9, 2016 18:29
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Panzeh posted:I've still not seen anything posted in this thread substantively saying God is more moral than Hitler by his actual actions. Which god? Are you talking about all gods that have ever been conceived, or all conceivable gods, or are you just saying that Jews serve evil?
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Crowsbeak posted:Yeah being rude tends to do that. Now the fact you can't deal is beyond me. I just jumped in here because you seemed to be using the perceived rudeness of someone you were arguing with as evidence against their argument. That's just broken whether you believe in God or not, and you should stop doing it.
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Apr 9, 2016 18:31
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Crowsbeak posted:1. How do you explain God through science again? You don't. That's the point. quote:2. I have didn't find them any more convincing also do you have any evidence of a multiverse? You're an idiot lol. quote:3. It is a sin and one involved will have to deal with their actions. 
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Apr 9, 2016 18:32
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Crowsbeak posted:I didn't I was arguing from a point of hyperbole. The fact you cannot understand this is rather hilarious. Not nearly as hilarious as the fact that you think you're the only person capable of doing so.
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Apr 9, 2016 18:32
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Brainiac Five posted:Which god? Are you talking about all gods that have ever been conceived, or all conceivable gods, or are you just saying that Jews serve evil? Jews have a long and well documented history of arguing against their god. And winning. So I wouldn't say that, no.
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Apr 9, 2016 18:33
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Behavioural science can find, induce, and explain superstition-like behaviour in animals. We can see particular brain areas light up when people think religious thoughts. It should not escape our attention that these combined observations immediately suggest an evolutionary origin of false beliefs.
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Apr 9, 2016 18:36
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Who What Now posted:Jews have a long and well documented history of arguing against their god. And winning. So I wouldn't say that, no. But Judaism, along with Christianity, Islam, Bahai'i, Samaritanism, some Wiccan and other neopagan traditions, these all consider this evil, Hitlerish entity someone to serve and honor, so they all serve evil according to you. Maybe your cheap shots are actually intellectually really loving dumb?
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Apr 9, 2016 18:37
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Crowsbeak posted:The Gnostics died out for not being popular. Sorry you cannot deal with history
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Apr 9, 2016 18:38
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blowfish posted:Behavioural science can find, induce, and explain superstition-like behaviour in animals. We can see particular brain areas light up when people think religious thoughts. It should not escape our attention that these combined observations immediately suggest an evolutionary origin of false beliefs. Or that animals are also capable of numinous experiences. Your formulation relies on making conclusions beforehand.
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In case anyone still thought this guy was worth talking to:Crowsbeak posted:What determines determinism? Peta posted:Um. You can read a variety of books and articles on cosmology, multiverse theory, etc., if you're craving an explanation of the origins of the universe. Beyond that first starting point (and the claim that there is a particular starting point to spacetime is hugely controversial), determinism determines determinism. Crowsbeak posted:I have didn't find them any more convincing also do you have any evidence of a multiverse?
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Brainiac Five posted:But Judaism, along with Christianity, Islam, Bahai'i, Samaritanism, some Wiccan and other neopagan traditions, these all consider this evil, Hitlerish entity someone to serve and honor, so they all serve evil according to you. Maybe your cheap shots are actually intellectually really loving dumb?
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Apr 9, 2016 18:40
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Brainiac Five posted:Or that animals are also capable of numinous experiences. Your formulation relies on making conclusions beforehand. Numinous experiences, which just so happen to make evolutionary sense.
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Apr 9, 2016 18:42
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Peta posted:You don't. That's the point. So at the end you have less evidence then I do like a typical poster on r/ atheism. blowfish posted:Since god doesn't exist, people are actually just serving their own imagination.
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Apr 9, 2016 18:44
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blowfish posted:Numinous experiences, which just so happen to make evolutionary sense. Just-so stories usually fail, actually, but it's fascinating you presume religion must be non-physical to be real. And telling.
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Apr 9, 2016 18:46
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Kilroy posted:See, this right here is the poo poo I'm talking about. Stop doing this, it makes you dumber. Your apparent intelligence will increase dramatically if you just cut out this one thing and change nothing else. Ah being aware of history makes you dumber. Good to know. Like I said materialism has some great advocates right now.
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Apr 9, 2016 18:47
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Brainiac Five posted:Just-so stories usually fail, actually, but it's fascinating you presume religion must be non-physical to be real. And telling. If religion is a physical phenomenon, then we can measure it and harness it with machines. A belief factory owned by Foxconn in the Chinese hinterland will soon follow. If that's compatible with your idea of religion then more power to you. suck my woke dick fucked around with this message at 18:51 on Apr 9, 2016 |
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Apr 9, 2016 18:49
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blowfish posted:If religion is a physical phenomenon, then we can measure it and harness it with machines. A belief factory operated by Foxconn in the Chinese hinterland would soon follow. If that's compatible with your idea of religion then more power to you. Yes, assuredly any "gods" would be paltry beings anyone should rejoice to have enslaved and tortured. Real strong case for New Atheism fostering immorality there.
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Apr 9, 2016 18:51
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Brainiac Five posted:But Judaism, along with Christianity, Islam, Bahai'i, Samaritanism, some Wiccan and other neopagan traditions, these all consider this evil, Hitlerish entity someone to serve and honor, so they all serve evil according to you. Maybe your cheap shots are actually intellectually really loving dumb? I actually don't think they serve anything, because God doesn't exist.
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Apr 9, 2016 18:52
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Brainiac Five posted:But Judaism, along with Christianity, Islam, Bahai'i, Samaritanism, some Wiccan and other neopagan traditions, these all consider this evil, Hitlerish entity someone to serve and honor, so they all serve evil according to you. Maybe your cheap shots are actually intellectually really loving dumb? I don't see how this is a cheap shot. A lot of people literally served and honored Hitler, too.
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Panzeh posted:I don't see how this is a cheap shot. A lot of people literally served and honored Hitler, too. Jews serve evil, then. Nice antisemitism.
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Apr 9, 2016 18:53
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Brainiac Five posted:Jews serve evil, then. Nice antisemitism. That's not what antisemitism is.
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Apr 9, 2016 18:54
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Brainiac Five posted:Yes, assuredly any "gods" would be paltry beings anyone should rejoice to have enslaved and tortured. Real strong case for New Atheism fostering immorality there. It's the plot of the Stargate episode "Cure".
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Apr 9, 2016 18:54
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Who What Now posted:That's not what antisemitism is. It is antisemitism to say that Jews are all in the service of evil.
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Apr 9, 2016 18:55
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Also lol that your definition of gods includes sufficiently advanced aliens, and you think that sufficiently advanced aliens deserve to be worshipped because they exist and possibly had a picnic on Earth at some point.
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Apr 9, 2016 18:55
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blowfish posted:It's the plot of the Stargate episode "Cure". So New Atheism also causes bad taste in TV shows, then.
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Apr 9, 2016 18:56
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Brainiac Five posted:It is antisemitism to say that Jews are all in the service of evil. Keep trying, sweety, I'm sure you'll get it eventually.
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blowfish posted:Also lol that your definition of gods includes sufficiently advanced aliens, and you think that sufficiently advanced aliens deserve to be worshipped because they exist and possibly had a picnic on Earth at some point. Didn't say that at any point. You are a clumsy liar and with hope you will receive just recompense for your evil deeds.
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Brainiac Five posted:So New Atheism also causes bad taste in TV shows, then. It's pretty funny that you immediately jumped to the conclusion that I want to
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