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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:Old people is the majority of the population in the country for a significant margin. And while Francisco got a lot of people, is a lot less of what Juan Pablo II gathered back then. All that said, I'm not sure what any of this has to do with Kyle Rayner, and I'm still not sure why it's that crazy for a Mexican American raised in California (where the rate of self-identified Catholics is way lower, like half of the half of people who identify as Christian period but comparatively more Latinos) to rekindle a spiritual belief in times of hardship. I've seen people do this because their grandparents died, never mind getting killed and Stockholm Syndromed and part of Intergalactic Genocide Part 492.
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Edge & Christian posted:I guess that depends a lot on your definition of "old" is, 70% of the Mexican population is under 40. which is a lot younger than the United States (for example). Most of the photos of Francis's visit shows a lot of young (children, teens, young adults) at his events, though it's possible that that even more young people came out to see JPII during one of this visits. And Catholicism is on the decline in Mexico: only 83% of Mexicans identified as Catholic in 2010, as opposed to 96% fifty years ago. That was my point actually, these days the percentage of mexicans that actually practice the catholicisim is notieable lower and those who do practice it are older people rather than young adults or teens. I was present on some visits of JPII and back then, the streets where he passed through were bursting at the seams with people expecting to catch at least a glimpse of the pope, something that didn't happened during Francis' visit. On a country level, is true the younger poblation is more numerous but that poblation isn't spread evenly. According to the 2015 report from the National Institute of Stadistic and Geography Mexico City is the entity where the older poblation is more abundant. And the issue isn't that Kyle suddenly had a religious epiphany but that it happened at the same time his mexican inheritance became a thing again. This gave me the distinctive feeling his religious awakening was because his mexican inheritancenot because he had a moment of reflexion that made him reevaluate his worldviews.
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I don't mean to get into a demographic argument, since it's really besides the point. I don't feel like constructing charts, but your initial post said that no one under 40 was religious, certainly not in cities, and King doesn't understand Mexico because he thinks people are still religious. It really looks like a) The vast majority (over 90% if you include Christian sects outside of Catholicism) of Mexican citizens identify as religious b) The vast majority (70% overall, maybe less in DF where the median age is in the 30s) of Mexican citizens are under 40, i.e. born in the late 1970s or later So the argument that believing that Catholicism/Christianity plays a significant role in Mexican culture (even amongst young and/or urban people) is a fundamental misunderstanding of Mexican culture is like me arguing that none of my friends are explicitly racist, therefore having a racist American character means that Brian K Vaughn doesn't understand America. Also, Kyle has not (to my knowledge) ever even lived in Mexico according to King, so I really don't know what this is about.
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It always cracks me up when DT waxes on critically about something, then posts some crazy poo poo about how good a Scott Lobdell book is.
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I think DT has mentioned that he's an archaeologist or at least works in a related field, and I'm trying to subtly goad him into talking about that all the time. I'll forgive all sorts of weird animammaries in exchange for  Templo Mayor stories or w/e.
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Edge & Christian posted:I don't mean to get into a demographic argument, since it's really besides the point. I don't feel like constructing charts, but your initial post said that no one under 40 was religious, certainly not in cities, and King doesn't understand Mexico because he thinks people are still religious. It really looks like I said people over 40 were the ones truly religious, that is the ones that pray go the church and the like. For the most part everyone else that identifies themselves as catholic is not practicing. True, Kyle never lived on Mexico but also was never depicted as a devout catholic either and thus, his current characterization is basically the stereotype of all mexicans being religious.
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:I said people over 40 were the ones truly religious, that is the ones that pray go the church and the like. For the most part everyone else that identifies themselves as catholic is not practicing. Or him dealing with the insane poo poo he is dealing with right now/ in the past or having some connection with earth.
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Edge & Christian posted:Too bad all of those were pretty much terrible, and in the case of Wednesday Comics another case of "hey I want to work with a really cool artist, and since I'm the boss GUESS WHAT?" I'm not really sure why anyone who is into these marginal properties would be into someone reviving them in order to do a bad new take on them. I suppose it beats a world where DC just lets their trademarks lapse? Didio's take on the Metal Men was one of the better written metal men in years. It was modernized Silver Age take and felt like an extension of the original series.
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Mr Hootington posted:Didio's take on the Metal Men was one of the better written metal men in years. It was modernized Silver Age take and felt like an extension of the original series.
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bobkatt013 posted:Or him dealing with the insane poo poo he is dealing with right now/ in the past or having some connection with earth. Well, an event big enough to change the worldview of the character should've been shown on screen don't you think?
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:Well, an event big enough to change the worldview of the character should've been shown on screen don't you think? This months entire issue was about the never ending fight and how beaten down he is getting due to it.
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Edge & Christian posted:We're talking about the Wednesday Comics story that was twelve conventional pages blown up large to cover a bunch of really terrible puns and a story of the Metal Men thwarting a bank robbery? Ok it was second best behind the doom patrol backup, but yes the Wednesday comics story feels like a original run filler issue.
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bobkatt013 posted:Or him dealing with the insane poo poo he is dealing with right now/ in the past or having some connection with earth. bobkatt013 posted:This months entire issue was about the never ending fight and how beaten down he is getting due to it. Like...hold on to your butts 'cuz I'm about to agree with D_T here, but I also found the fluent Spanish prayer he gave in the second issue to be a little disconcerting. It could just as easily have been spoken in English. If King wanted to depict Kyle's Latino heritage, why hasn't he spoken Spanish in any other context since then? He's only Latino when he's feeling religious? Does he only know Spanish prayers? It's all just kinda off-putting. BrianWilly fucked around with this message at 22:18 on Apr 9, 2016 |
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Except he HAD just gone through an incredibly traumatic event. I can buy him waking up praying something long forgotten when he just woke up from surviving an Al-Qaeda hostage murder video.
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the Judeo-Christian god literally exists in DC comics so I don't see what the problem here is, heathens 
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Four Score posted:the Judeo-Christian god literally exists in DC comics so I don't see what the problem here is, heathens Yeah DC has a great collection of properties that you shouldn't try to fit together, like Captain Marvel and the Fourth World and Yahweh.
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Well Shazam has the Wisdom of Solomon, so he'd be down with YHWH.
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God is usually depicted as a cute little doggy. What jerk wouldn't worship?
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HitTheTargets posted:Well Shazam has the Wisdom of Solomon, so he'd be down with YHWH. You'd think that Solomon's wisdom would've helped him stop those fifth-dimensional genies as soon as they got rascally, in Crisis Times Five, but nope. It's not like whipping djinni into shape is one of the most well-known applications of Solomon's wise rule or anything.
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Teenage Fansub posted:God is usually depicted as a cute little doggy. Cat people.
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Teenage Fansub posted:God is usually depicted as a cute little doggy. Mr. Terrific II
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Black Adam as he straight up said not my god. While punching God's Wrath in the face.
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Teenage Fansub posted:God is usually depicted as a cute little doggy. James Sunderland
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I haven't really been following modern DC stuff but where did Grant morrison's Multyversity end up Being? Did it matter at all?
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Yeah cause it was good. As for continuity, nobody used it other than Convergence which showed the some of the illustrations representing the 52 universes, before giving us infinite ones. Grant reckons there'll be a sequel, though. Teenage Fansub fucked around with this message at 22:36 on Apr 10, 2016 |
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Apr 10, 2016 22:26
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In the grand scheme of things? Naturally, it didn't really matter since Convergence happened right on its heels, so the multiple universe concept got used in a different kind of direction and Multiversity is its own little higher-dimensional corner of the DC multiverse, and then DC You happened, etc. I think there's going to be a Multiversity Too though, so that should follow the events of the original in some manner.
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Convergence is Multiversity done right.
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Teenage Fansub posted:Yeah cause it was good. I thought he was doing his own line of "Earth One" style books entitled "Multiversity Too" that would tell self contained stories about different worlds in the new Multiverse
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Bleeding Cool has some info on the Rebirth stuff. This one caught my eye.quote:Imbued with the powers of Superman, Lois Lane pledges to use her powers to protect Metropolis as the new Superwoman. The only problem is, Lois’ new powers are killing her, and neither she nor her friend and confidant Lana Lang know what to do about it. Will Lois even survive long enough to find out the deadly secret of ULTRA-WOMAN? Hmm. The love interest of the superhero gets his powers but they're killing her? That seems awfully similar to another title going on right now in another company. Also, The Super-Man has a terrible costume: http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/04/11/new-super-man-to-join-justice-league-of-china-more-dc-rebirth-details/
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I actually don't know which franchise that is.
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X-O posted:Bleeding Cool has some info on the Rebirth stuff. This one caught my eye. The Super-Man's suit would be way better if it had the traditional S symbol.
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CharlestheHammer posted:I actually don't know which franchise that is. It's pretty much the plot to the current Thor.
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X-O posted:It's pretty much the plot to the current Thor. Oh, duh.
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The thing it bothers me the most about Superwoman is that pretty much we just saw the same idea on the Truth and the Super League arcs. It makes me feel like those two arcs were just a colossal waste of time and unecessarily shitted all over N52 Supes. Assholes  Oh well, this is what I was expecting for  quote:"Now the Red Hood plans to use his status as a villain to take down Gotham’s underworld from the inside. Joined by a fallen Amazon named Artemis, and a half-baked Superman clone named Bizarro, this dark trinity will soon discover that the line between hero and villain is difficult to discern…" 
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I wasn't expecting Becky Cloonan to return to Gotham Academy, especially now she's doing The Punisher. That's cool. e: Final page of Previews.  Note the silver-age JLs (plus retconned in Cyborg.) If JSA is just pretending to be an old comic, that could be fun. I think I'd rather that than any Convergence type deal. Teenage Fansub fucked around with this message at 08:15 on Apr 12, 2016 |
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:The thing it bothers me the most about Superwoman is that pretty much we just saw the same idea on the Truth and the Super League arcs. It makes me feel like those two arcs were just a colossal waste of time and unecessarily shitted all over N52 Supes. Huh. Okay, sure, I'll bite for once.
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Even Bizarro has an undercut now. It truly am best hairstyle in DC Comics
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Isn't her name Aleka in Azz's Wondy or are we just ignoring his run altogether like Wondy usually suffers?
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BrianWilly posted:
Before reading the description my first thought was "Gender swapped shatterstar".
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